Twilight Time Discussion Thread - Page 181 - Blu-ray Forum

HuggyBear73 · 02-02-2013, 01:15 AM

Will ScreenArchives ship a single bluray or 2 blurays in a small box if requested in the special instructions box during checkout?

rdodolak · 02-02-2013, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HuggyBear73

Will ScreenArchives ship a single bluray or 2 blurays in a small box if requested in the special instructions box during checkout?

Not that I'm aware of, they usually will only use a box if you order 3 or more items. My recommendation would be to send SAE an email and asked them directly.

spanky87 · 02-02-2013, 01:26 AM

Twilight time is great. Christine, Leave Her to Heaven, The Driver, Philadelphia etc. all this year. Seems like their best year yet. One suggestion though, MORE Rita Hayworth please!

NoirFan · 02-02-2013, 01:31 AM

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One suggestion though, MORE Rita Hayworth please!

Gilda and The Lady from Shanghai in particular.

lemonski · 02-02-2013, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

Yeah, $35 is completely insane. Especially for limited release crap and practically barebones.

You just don't get it, do you? They're priced like that so they can make a profit and survive as a company. IIRC they need to sell 1,500-2,000 of the 3,000 just to break even. They hand over $30K to Fox and Sony up front for every title, even if they sell 3 or 3,000.

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Almost literally Laserdisc prices.

You clearly don't remember Laserdisc prices.

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Criterion at least releases their distributed titles reasonally prices,

That's Amazon (and sometimes others) doing that, it's not Criterion out of the goodness of their hearts.

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I literally want my dream company which deals with entertainment to become a reality, as I laid out for mandatory quality. None of this Twilight Time crap. ONLY limited editions would be extremely fancy boxsets but of course the film also released on its own. No DVD or Digital Copy + the Blu-ray. Blu-rays only with their release on the format

All very easy in your dreams, when you don't have to fork out real money up front like TT do. And of course, you wouldn't dare sell your titles for $35, you'd price these magic discs at $19.99

You'd be out of business in 6 months.

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EDIT: My dream/fictional company would mandatorialy scan every film shot on celluloid either in 8K, 6K or 4K. ZERO DNR or EE.

Come on, put up your own money and do it then, instead of slagging off Twilight Time. All very easy to say what you'd do from your armchair.

spanky87 · 02-02-2013, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NoirFan

Gilda and The Lady from Shanghai in particular.

Those two should be top priority, but I'll also take something like Affair in Trinidad or You Were Never Lovelier. Hopefully at least 1 gets released in 2013.

jrsl76 · 02-02-2013, 01:53 AM

Hell yeah, outside of the awesome announcements today and the great covers just released for The Fury & Christine, they finally officially confirmed that Christine will have the commentary, 3 featurettes and the deleted scenes on the blu!

KilloWertz · 02-02-2013, 02:17 AM

Haven't I read these arguments already before? Oh, wait, I have the last time popular films got announced by Twilight Time before.

I would love to get some of these movies for less money, but at this point you just have to accept it and either be glad you're getting these films at all on Blu-ray or just skip them. 20 pages of complaints isn't going to change a thing.

LucasM2012 · 02-02-2013, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

Twilight Time price gouges and once again I'll never support this company.
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I'd rather have ... compared to this shitfest of a company.

Then why are you in this thread? Do you just like to share that you are personally miserable so hopefully you can drag others down with you?

This isn't a "what do you think of Twilight Time" thread, it is "Twilight Time's Release Schedule".

octagon · 02-02-2013, 02:20 AM

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Edit: Doubtless this kind of ranting is just as tiresome and repetitive, so I'll close my yapper now.

You forgot hyperbolic

NoirFan · 02-02-2013, 02:36 AM

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You forgot hyperbolic

No, I intentionally omitted that one. If you think I was exaggerating, go dust off the Fright Night and (especially) NOTLD threads.

lemonski · 02-02-2013, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

They shouldn't release these in limited quantities whatsoever. They'd easily gain back their money if these were in constant manufacture easily.

They can't, the 3,000 unit limit is part of their contracts with Sony and Fox. If they wanted to print more, their up front costs with Sony/Fox would presumably increase also.

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At least Criterion lets the titles they distribute become easily affordable and attainable.

But TT can't do that and break even. Selling stock to Amazon at a discount is even worse for them than selling direct at a discount; they need to sell it low enough for Amazon to make a cut as well. What you don't seem to realize is that there simply isn't enough profit in 3,000 units at $30 to start discounting it, and a fair chunk of any profit would probably be going to cover the losses on the titles that sell nowhere near 3,000.

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If my dream fictional company were selling these almost barebones titles, I'd price point the MSRP at $15 each and for the more heavy featured ones $30.

If the goal of your dream fictional company was to lose money, you'd be a roaring success.

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Yes I do remember pricing for Laserdisc.

Remind me again how much a Laserdisc from Criterion used to be?

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Twilight Time price gouges and once again I'll never support this company.
I'd rather have Gilda and The Lady from Shanghai released by Columbia/etc. compared to this shitfest of a company.

You could be waiting for a very, very long time then. Best dust off your Laserdisc player.

SpartanIre · 02-02-2013, 02:43 AM

I am pretty excited about the lineup release. This is definitely one of the best stretches of titles released by Twilight Time - Keep 'em coming!

I cannot wait until the next lineup release so I can enjoy all of the new discourse:

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octagon · 02-02-2013, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NoirFan

No, I intentionally omitted that one. If you think I was exaggerating, go dust off the Fright Night and (especially) NOTLD threads.

I don't remember too many child molestor references in the Fright Night thread. Were there a lot in the NOTLD thread?

NoirFan · 02-02-2013, 03:05 AM

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I don't remember too many child molestor references in the Fright Night thread. Were there a lot in the NOTLD thread?

Well, I was kidding (as opposed to exaggerating) with those two comparisons (the inclusion of Barry Manilow should have been the tip-off), but everything else I said was entirely accurate.

oildude · 02-02-2013, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

Well dammit and I hate streaming. I'd rather torrent if I'm too impatient to rent something on disc anyway. Yes there are dozens of movies I'd gladly buy because I've rented or torrented them.

Yeah, $35 is completely insane. Especially for limited release crap and practically barebones. Almost literally Laserdisc prices. Criterion at least releases their distributed titles reasonally prices, majority of the time has TONS of special features and is never limited release on anything. Only ones which are insanely priced from them are either OOP or another company released it.
So yes, I'd much rather spend my money on Criterion which is far more worth it, and other insanely awesome titles in my wishlist, compared to this farce of a company. I lump them into the crap category which also features Echo Bridge.
I literally want my dream company which deals with entertainment to become a reality, as I laid out for mandatory quality. None of this Twilight Time crap. ONLY limited editions would be extremely fancy boxsets but of course the film also released on its own. No DVD or Digital Copy + the Blu-ray. Blu-rays only with their release on the format. If my company were a reality I'd regularly post on the sticky here and give exclusive release schedules only here and also DVDActive. Never thedigitalbits.
Only exclusive I'd have would be for Walmart. Same exact titles EXCEPT BD25, DNR/EE to hell, VERY lossy crap audio, zero extras not even a trailer, but tons of DVD and Digital Copy with it. Yes, the actual true full bore releases would be tip top as I laid out and explained.
Also for my dream company for here, caps-a-holic, dvdactive, dvdbeaver to review. Never HomeTheaterForum, DVDTalk or thedigitalbits. Nothing distributed to Utah. But this is for a different thread.

Dammit, I REALLY wanted Sony/Columbia to release Major Dundee too! I'd also want NONE of the rest of Deavid Leans films to be released through this company.
So what happened when the idiotic "Exclusive" time has passed? They release it again but not limited to 3,000? Why not limit it to 30,000 or 300,000? Are these actually numbered?

EDIT: My dream/fictional company would mandatorialy scan every film shot on celluloid either in 8K, 6K or 4K. ZERO DNR or EE.

Umm....I don't think this forum has a thread for people high on crack. You could start one though.

AgentOrange · 02-02-2013, 05:45 AM

I hated the thought of Twilight Time when I first considered their business model, but overall they've been a positive force for sure. They definitely do have a nice little niche for me - especially with some of the films that have had top PQ and AQ marks. They have gained my respect in that regard (yes I know they merely "acquire" the finished scans from FOX or Sony... but at least they are doing something right in terms of quality control that places like Mill Creek and Echo Bridge do very... very wrong.

Still, i do absolutely hate paying $30 for a "barebones" blu-ray that isn't necessarily better than so many of the releases I've gotten for $10 or even $5 - I guess I've learned to deal with it. I obviously appreciate it far more when they release something that truly doesn't have much chance of being released elsewhere - something that comes out of nowhere for me (i.e. Rapture, Swamp Water, The Egyptian)

ROclockCK · 02-02-2013, 06:07 AM

...I'd have liked to see at least one more vintage title in the May-June lineup, but hey, Walter Hill compensates.

Like As Good As It Gets, I think Philadelphia is another mainstream, successful, awarding winning movie that has already had its time in the spotlight, and is now kinda 'played out' thanks to the intervening years of DVD, Cable, and Streaming. A fine movie, but I think strictly for the dedicated, and of course, TT completists (mea culpa).

This co-partner deal with Fox for the release of At Long Last Love is interesting though. Possibly means an IST? No one else better to deliver that than TT. The movie's tin ear singing notwithstanding, Cole Porter is Cole Porter. I'm in.

And on top of all that, the new covers are up for Christine:

...and wiTheFurMMm:

Both are pretty much what I expected, neither straying too far from the original artwork (except for that 'EKG' font style with The Fury). TT doesn't seem to risk getting 'too creative' when targeting the 80s horror faithful...

Blu-Velvet · 02-02-2013, 06:19 AM

Okay, has the storm passed yet, or is this just a brief lull?

It does get amusing to see how people suddenly get very self-righteous when their favorite movie suddenly becomes available on the current best possible home video format but is not priced for Walmart's $5 bin or Target and Best Buy's $19.99 or $24.99 discount of a $29.99 retail.

Anybody who doesn't want to pay whatever prices a movie is sold for, obviously doesn't like the movie enough to buy it. (And I remember when VHS tapes were $79.95 and a while later only $29.95 for a pan-and-scan mono sound copy.) If something like KRULL were offered in a deluxe edition Blu-ray for $4.99 at a typical 10,000 or 100,000-disc "limited run" I'm sure there would be thousands of copies sitting in bargain bins for years until it was marked down to a dollar or given away as a free bonus with every purchase. If it were sold as a limited release for $29.99 with a booklet and an isolated score as the only bonus, it MIGHT sell 3000 copies in three years to those who feel they absolutely need it or hope to gamble on scalping it at double the price when it's out of print. In either case, the rights holders would likely make almost exactly the same amount of money. (I personally saw KRULL theatrically when it first came out, and wouldn't buy a Blu-ray of it for a dollar unless it were half of a double-feature with something I really wanted to see.)

If Sony expected that it could make a reasonable amount of money by releasing its restoration of MAJOR DUNDEE to Blu-ray itself, it would have appeared about six years ago shortly after the Blu-ray format was introduced. The deluxe Blu-ray of TAXI DRIVER was a rare fluke that we all can be grateful for.

All those who are so sure their personal ideas of Blu-ray business plans will work are more than welcome to draw up their prospectus, get the investors, and be sure to let us all know when their releases will be available. It looks like the people over at Olive Films have been doing just that. I hope they can survive. Meanwhile, I have absolutely no difficulty paying $30 for a movie that I want from Twilight Time, because their track record has a proven string of very good to superb quality transfers and a modest amount of bonuses. If one of Twilight Time's releases doesn't appeal to me enough to spend $30, I just don't do it. I've bought quite a few TT releases and I've passed on several that others seem to be obsessed with. Those particular movies I probably would not even buy on Blu-ray for $10 and would even think twice about in Walmart's $5 double-feature Blu-ray bargain bin where the quality may actually still be pretty good or may be pretty mediocre.

Most of the time, you get what you pay for, and if you really want it, you'll pay for it. If you won't pay for it, then you don't really want it all that much after all. The average price I spend on a single Blu-ray is about $15-$17, including numerous Criterions and Twilight Times at $25-$35 each, as well as lots of bargain discs from $5-$15. It all averages out.

Has anyone ever noticed the price of a couple of movie tickets lately (plus concessions, gas, parking, babysitter if necessary, etc.), and just to see a movie projected digitally with a quality barely any different from a good Blu-ray projected in your own home theatre? A $30-$40 Blu-ray with any bonus features at all is a huge bargain.

Okay, back to the Twilight Time Release Schedule! I'm looking forward to lots of these, and will pass on several, as I've done in the past. I would pass on those same movies if they were $10 each.

BouCoupDinkyDau · 02-02-2013, 06:49 AM

Oh God, here we go with this self righteous garbage again.

"If you don't want to sell one of your kids for it, then you don't want it bad enough. I remember back when laser disks came out and I was dropping $100 a disk. George Lucas came over to my house at one point and drove off with my car when I bought Star Wars on LD. I was okay with it, because I am a true fan and will pay anything for anything."

I get so tired of hearing that ridiculous argument. Hey, since we're on it, lets go back to paying extreme prices for anything colored purple, because back in the day it was the only color you could dye cloth, was extracted in tiny amounts in a very specific part of the world, and so could only be afforded by the wealthy. Only true fans of purple buy purple, because back in the day X guy used to pay Y price for it! lol

Hyperbole works both ways, folks.

02-02-2013, 06:07 AM	#3618
ROclockCK Power Member Member since:Oct 2011	Well, what a difference a day makes... ...I'd have liked to see at least one more vintage title in the May-June lineup, but hey, Walter Hill compensates. Like As Good As It Gets, I think Philadelphia is another mainstream, successful, awarding winning movie that has already had its time in the spotlight, and is now kinda 'played out' thanks to the intervening years of DVD, Cable, and Streaming. A fine movie, but I think strictly for the dedicated, and of course, TT completists (mea culpa). This co-partner deal with Fox for the release of At Long Last Love is interesting though. Possibly means an IST? No one else better to deliver that than TT. The movie's tin ear singing notwithstanding, Cole Porter is Cole Porter. I'm in. And on top of all that, the new covers are up for *Christine: ...and wiTheFurMMm: Both are pretty much what I expected, neither straying too far from the original artwork (except for that 'EKG' font style with The Fury). TT doesn't seem to risk getting 'too creative' when targeting the 80s horror faithful... Last edited by ROclockCK; 02-02-2013 at 07:42 AM.*

02-02-2013, 01:15 AM	#3601
HuggyBear73 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2011 Trading Score:128	Will ScreenArchives ship a single bluray or 2 blurays in a small box if requested in the special instructions box during checkout?

02-02-2013, 01:26 AM	#3603
spanky87 Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:34 4K collection:168 Blu-ray collection:2714 DVD collection:548 iTunes collection:58 Trading Score:64	Twilight time is great. Christine, Leave Her to Heaven, The Driver, Philadelphia etc. all this year. Seems like their best year yet. One suggestion though, MORE Rita Hayworth please!

02-02-2013, 01:53 AM	#3607
jrsl76 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Nov 2010 Location:Glendale, CA 4K collection:316 Blu-ray collection:3240 DVD collection:637 Trading Score:66	Hell yeah, outside of the awesome announcements today and the great covers just released for The Fury & Christine, they finally officially confirmed that Christine will have the commentary, 3 featurettes and the deleted scenes on the blu!

02-02-2013, 02:17 AM	#3608
KilloWertz Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Columbiana, OH 4K collection:61 Blu-ray collection:1042 DVD collection:65 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:82	Haven't I read these arguments already before? Oh, wait, I have the last time popular films got announced by Twilight Time before. I would love to get some of these movies for less money, but at this point you just have to accept it and either be glad you're getting these films at all on Blu-ray or just skip them. 20 pages of complaints isn't going to change a thing.

02-02-2013, 02:43 AM	#3613
SpartanIre Special Member Member since:Oct 2010 4K collection:95 Blu-ray collection:5704 DVD collection:200	I am pretty excited about the lineup release. This is definitely one of the best stretches of titles released by Twilight Time - Keep 'em coming! I cannot wait until the next lineup release so I can enjoy all of the new discourse: [Show spoiler]

02-02-2013, 05:45 AM	#3617
AgentOrange Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2011 4K collection:382 Blu-ray collection:2619 DVD collection:69 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:10	I hated the thought of Twilight Time when I first considered their business model, but overall they've been a positive force for sure. They definitely do have a nice little niche for me - especially with some of the films that have had top PQ and AQ marks. They have gained my respect in that regard (yes I know they merely "acquire" the finished scans from FOX or Sony... but at least they are doing something right in terms of quality control that places like Mill Creek and Echo Bridge do very... very wrong. Still, i do absolutely hate paying $30 for a "barebones" blu-ray that isn't necessarily better than so many of the releases I've gotten for $10 or even $5 - I guess I've learned to deal with it. I obviously appreciate it far more when they release something that truly doesn't have much chance of being released elsewhere - something that comes out of nowhere for me (i.e. Rapture, Swamp Water, The Egyptian)

02-02-2013, 06:19 AM	#3619
Blu-Velvet Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Nov 2011 Home Theater Gallery:88 Blu-ray collection:2623 DVD collection:400 Blu-ray reviews: 41	Okay, has the storm passed yet, or is this just a brief lull? It does get amusing to see how people suddenly get very self-righteous when their favorite movie suddenly becomes available on the current best possible home video format but is not priced for Walmart's $5 bin or Target and Best Buy's $19.99 or $24.99 discount of a $29.99 retail. Anybody who doesn't want to pay whatever prices a movie is sold for, obviously doesn't like the movie enough to buy it. (And I remember when VHS tapes were $79.95 and a while later only $29.95 for a pan-and-scan mono sound copy.) If something like KRULL were offered in a deluxe edition Blu-ray for $4.99 at a typical 10,000 or 100,000-disc "limited run" I'm sure there would be thousands of copies sitting in bargain bins for years until it was marked down to a dollar or given away as a free bonus with every purchase. If it were sold as a limited release for $29.99 with a booklet and an isolated score as the only bonus, it MIGHT sell 3000 copies in three years to those who feel they absolutely need it or hope to gamble on scalping it at double the price when it's out of print. In either case, the rights holders would likely make almost exactly the same amount of money. (I personally saw KRULL theatrically when it first came out, and wouldn't buy a Blu-ray of it for a dollar unless it were half of a double-feature with something I really wanted to see.) If Sony expected that it could make a reasonable amount of money by releasing its restoration of MAJOR DUNDEE to Blu-ray itself, it would have appeared about six years ago shortly after the Blu-ray format was introduced. The deluxe Blu-ray of TAXI DRIVER was a rare fluke that we all can be grateful for. All those who are so sure their personal ideas of Blu-ray business plans will work are more than welcome to draw up their prospectus, get the investors, and be sure to let us all know when their releases will be available. It looks like the people over at Olive Films have been doing just that. I hope they can survive. Meanwhile, I have absolutely no difficulty paying $30 for a movie that I want from Twilight Time, because their track record has a proven string of very good to superb quality transfers and a modest amount of bonuses. If one of Twilight Time's releases doesn't appeal to me enough to spend $30, I just don't do it. I've bought quite a few TT releases and I've passed on several that others seem to be obsessed with. Those particular movies I probably would not even buy on Blu-ray for $10 and would even think twice about in Walmart's $5 double-feature Blu-ray bargain bin where the quality may actually still be pretty good or may be pretty mediocre. Most of the time, you get what you pay for, and if you really want it, you'll pay for it. If you won't pay for it, then you don't really want it all that much after all. The average price I spend on a single Blu-ray is about $15-$17, including numerous Criterions and Twilight Times at $25-$35 each, as well as lots of bargain discs from $5-$15. It all averages out. Has anyone ever noticed the price of a couple of movie tickets lately (plus concessions, gas, parking, babysitter if necessary, etc.), and just to see a movie projected digitally with a quality barely any different from a good Blu-ray projected in your own home theatre? A $30-$40 Blu-ray with any bonus features at all is a huge bargain. Okay, back to the Twilight Time Release Schedule! I'm looking forward to lots of these, and will pass on several, as I've done in the past. I would pass on those same movies if they were $10 each.

02-02-2013, 06:49 AM	#3620
BouCoupDinkyDau Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2010 Location:Zeta II Reticuli 4K collection:37 Blu-ray collection:313 DVD collection:3 Blu-ray reviews: 11 Trading Score:7	Oh God, here we go with this self righteous garbage again. "If you don't want to sell one of your kids for it, then you don't want it bad enough. I remember back when laser disks came out and I was dropping $100 a disk. George Lucas came over to my house at one point and drove off with my car when I bought Star Wars on LD. I was okay with it, because I am a true fan and will pay anything for anything." I get so tired of hearing that ridiculous argument. Hey, since we're on it, lets go back to paying extreme prices for anything colored purple, because back in the day it was the only color you could dye cloth, was extracted in tiny amounts in a very specific part of the world, and so could only be afforded by the wealthy. Only true fans of purple buy purple, because back in the day X guy used to pay Y price for it! lol Hyperbole works both ways, folks.

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