Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[jetthead]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

How much will they charge for the signed copy?

The signed copy is free when you order $100+ TT titles and that is the only way to get one.

[jetthead]

Originally Posted by Seymour

Great point. When I think of Olive blu-rays, cheap and lazy both come to mind. At the very least, Mill Creek (!) now includes ENG subs with their bargain basement releases. Though it should be pointed out, not all TT blu-rays have ENG subtitles, either (some of the Fox titles, the recently released Disappearance).

When watching High Noon, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Quiet Man, Force of Evil, Rio Grande, etc, etc, the last thing I think of is "cheap and lazy". If any of those releases were put out by TT, everybody would be singing their praises.

[Seymour]

Originally Posted by Jett Blu

This has probably been said, but don't you think TT is limiting themselves (financially) by only releasing 3000 copies of each title? And most of these movies are not worth the outrageous prices they are going for on Amazon and ebay.

But this is what TT and the studios came up with. They're comfortable with it. There's not much you or I can do about it. If folks don't like it, that's cool. But like I already said, it's time to move on.

[Jett Rink]

Originally Posted by Seymour

But this is what TT and the studios came up with. They're comfortable with it. There's not much you or I can do about it. If folks don't like it, that's cool. But like I already said, it's time to move on.

OK.

[Seymour]

Originally Posted by jetthead

When watching High Noon, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Quiet Man, Force of Evil, Rio Grande, etc, etc, the last thing I think of is "cheap and lazy". If any of those releases were put out by TT, everybody would be singing their praises.

What can I say guy? Olive was too cheap and lazy to include ENG subs, so none of those titles are in my collection. Just because you don't need 'em, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else.

[rock, stone]

Originally Posted by Sherlock_Jr

TT is the only independent company besides Criterion putting out quality catalog titles.

This is a profoundly untrue statement.

profoundly

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by rock, stone

This is a profoundly untrue statement.

profoundly

He later clarified that he meant US labels licensing titles from major studios. Which is still debatable...

[jetthead]

Originally Posted by Seymour

What can I say guy? Olive was too cheap and lazy to include ENG subs, so none of those titles are in my collection. Just because you don't need 'em, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else.

Well, as Dex Robinson's post pointed out, the lack of subtitles is part of Olive's business model. I will let the issue rest with one quote which could just as easily apply to Olive:

Originally Posted by Seymour

But this is what TT and the studios came up with. They're comfortable with it. There's not much you or I can do about it. If folks don't like it, that's cool. But like I already said, it's time to move on.

[NoirFan]

'Moving on'? On this site? Good luck with that!

[rock, stone]

Originally Posted by NoirFan

He later clarified that he meant US labels licensing titles from major studios. Which is still debatable...

Yeah, I read that and my eyes crossed and I missed a page.

But moving the goalposts of his hyperbole doesn't make it any less true.

TT has upped their game significantly in the last couple months, but their early releases were the definition of sloppy.

To suggest that Criterion and TT are the top and then it is a long way down before the dungheap of all the other labels is exactly why I hate the TT threads.

[jetthead]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

THE BIG HEAT

According to SAE they have LIMITED QTYs available



http://screenarchives.com/title_deta...BIG-HEAT-1953/

And it is Sold Out again! Now the waiting and praying that my order doesn't get cancelled.

[ROclockCK]

Except for Criterion and Twilight Time, no other stateside label has been getting Sony's 4k re-masters. Not Mill Creek. Not Image. Nada*.

* With that said, Mill Creek, despite its barebones double-feature approach has actually done a rather commendable job with several of Sony's other non-4k high-def masters...most notably Mr. Sardonicus (gorgeous), and When a Stranger Calls (++), and The Anderson Tapes (as good as that title will likely get given its era/film stock). And everything I've seen from Image has also been very high quality (e.g. The Collector, Against All Odds, and The Odessa File)...but like Mill Creek, just not state-of-the-art (although the price is certainly right).

[rock, stone]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Except for Criterion and Twilight Time, no other stateside label has been getting Sony's 4k re-masters. Not Mill Creek. Not Image. Nada*.

I have no issue with that statement. Can you spot the difference from this statement?:

Originally Posted by Sherlock_Jr

TT is the only independent company besides Criterion putting out quality catalog titles.

Where is the disconnect?

[Arkadin]

need to get up to speed on TT's bds fast--here's your answer--
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141034326102

[Sherlock_Jr]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

Did anybody actually read the interview with Frank Tarzi of Olive Films or is it just easier to make up our own theories?


"Another complaint your releases get is the lack of subtitles. Is it cost prohibitive to add them to your releases?

Look, I understand those complaints and I feel really bad for non-native English speakers or hearing-impaired people. But it's not just a cost situation. It creates a huge time lag to create subtitles and then there are a whole bunch of ancillary issues that pop up, like increased QC time, and it just doesn't make sense from a business perspective and in terms of trying to get our releases out in a timely manner. Also, we're not the only label that doesn't include subtitles on all of our releases. "

LOL oh boo hoo. Most other companies can find the time. That's a ridiculous excuse because they could certainly make time if they chose to do so. It's cool that they are excluding hearing impaired people, and seem to not care about it. Just another reason I won't support their half-assed efforts.

[Sherlock_Jr]

Originally Posted by rock, stone

This is a profoundly untrue statement.

profoundly

And as I clarified, they are the only company besides Criterion putting out major studio catalog releases that are of quality. That is profoundly true.

[tama]

Originally Posted by Sherlock_Jr

LOL oh boo hoo. Most other companies can find the time. That's a ridiculous excuse because they could certainly make time if they chose to do so. It's cool that they are excluding hearing impaired people, and seem to not care about it. Just another reason I won't support their half-assed efforts.

You're hearing impaired?

[Sherlock_Jr]

Originally Posted by Jett Blu

This has probably been said, but don't you think TT is limiting themselves (financially) by only releasing 3000 copies of each title? And most of these movies are not worth the outrageous prices they are going for on Amazon and ebay.

No. That is their business model. That's what they can afford and studios who license to them have no problem with it. TT pays upfront fees, unlike other cheap distributors who pay royalties as profits come in. So TT is taking a gamble everytime they release a title that it will sell. Since they break even around 1500 copies, the last 1500 is where the make their profit.

People are quick to judge because they have no knowledge or understanding of how individual companies work. They think they know it all, and that every company operates with the same overhead, profit margin, etc. That's just ignorance, and voicing an opinion based on nothing but speculation.

You don't have to like how they do business, but there's nothing you can do to change that. Either take it or leave it, because they are expanding to 4-5 titles a month, which means they have a whole lot more films under license.

[octagon]

So wait...

The company that does their own transfers/masters are the half-assed cheapskates and the company that slaps Sony/Fox files on a disc are the dedicated film lovers?

Tell Alice I said hi.

[Show spoiler](for the record, I have no quarrel with the notion that the folks at TT are film-lovers. but this notion that TT are old world watchmakers meticulously hand-crafting every gear while everybody else is cranking out mass-produced crap is simply absurd)

[Sherlock_Jr]

Originally Posted by tama

You're hearing impaired?

Modertaely, yeah. Unfortunately, because Olive is cheap, I can't enjoy High Noon, Body Snatchers or any other title they release. Which is unfortunate, when they have the ability like most other companies to offer simple subtitles. As well as 360 million people other in the world.