Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[LucasM2012]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I just hope that the means to play the discs in my existing collection will continue to be available. I have this amusing vision of about 10 Blu-ray players stocked up in my closet for the next couple of decades of use, but I thankfully have not reached that point of madness yet.

Oh, I only wish Burgess Meredith was still alive to do an updated Twilight Zone of that! His last Blu-ray player breaks... "But I still have the media...."

[neoz]

Originally Posted by iank

Sorry, but this is just nonsense. There are loads of young people buying discs all the time, I see them every day in JB. Absolute fantasy island stuff.

I agree, he uses the people under 25 argument. I guess anyone that is still alive and is 26 or older that still buys movies is dead.

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Physical media is going to end up that way eventually no matter what. It's going to be just like laserdisc was.

Did you call Miss Cleo on that one?

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

You heard it here first, folks. Physical media will be dead in 60-70 years. Mark your calenders.

I always enjoy a good laugh in the morning when I wake up.

[dsman71]

Man Hunt still pending...
anyone else getting a shipping notice or is pending the universal status right now

[atfree]

Originally Posted by dsman71

Man Hunt still pending...
anyone else getting a shipping notice or is pending the universal status right now

Mine is still pending too....

[Brent L.]

Someone has a signed copy of Brannigan up on eBay already at a fair price of $52.49/shipped. Here are a couple of the pictures if any of you are interested. I wont link to it in case that's against the rules, but it's not my auction. Just do a quick search and you'll find it...





Someone else has it up using auction style and it's up to almost $35 if that is more your thing. Just thought I'd let you guys know.

[jamjam67]

Just got a shipping notice!

[spawningblue]

Everyone keeps mentioning that home media sales are down, that's just because DVD sales have been decreasing. Blu-ray sales have increased every year since their release. Yes, Blu-ray sales are still a small percentage to DVDs, but bottom line is Blu-ray sales have not been decreasing. Home media will be around for many more years to come, just likes CDs, which were suppose to die out 10 years ago I believe?

Streaming will continue to increase, but like many have already mentioned, movie studios can't make much profits giving Netflix their whole catalog for $8 a month. They have already lost the $4 per movies from rental outlets, if they lose the $30 per movie from Blu-rays, they will be making up those lost funds one way or another. Not only will Internet plans increase with low data caps, but don't be surprised if Netflix eventually increases in price to cable levels, as well as most films split across various platforms which will each incur a monthly charge.

If people think home media will die and they will continue getting every movie at their fingertips for $8 a month they are dreaming. Studios make a lot of profits after the movie leaves theatres, and they won't be able to do that with whatever Netflix is giving them from charging $8 a month. People being cheap will either be the death of film, unlikely, or a huge increase in streaming charges, very likely.

[PowellPressburger]

I got my shipping notice for Man Hunt. (which is the smallest TT order I have done in a while.) I want to also get The Buddy Holly Story and Secret of Santa V. Very interested in that film. I just wanted Man Hunt badly.

[Brad1963]

My order of Man Hunt and The Secret of Santa Vittoria has shipped.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by spawningblue

Everyone keeps mentioning that home media sales are down, that's just because DVD sales have been decreasing. Blu-ray sales have increased every year since their release. Yes, Blu-ray sales are still a small percentage to DVDs, but bottom line is Blu-ray sales have not been decreasing. Home media will be around for many more years to come, just likes CDs, which were suppose to die out 10 years ago I believe?

Streaming will continue to increase, but like many have already mentioned, movie studios can't make much profits giving Netflix their whole catalog for $8 a month. They have already lost the $4 per movies from rental outlets, if they lose the $30 per movie from Blu-rays, they will be making up those lost funds one way or another. Not only will Internet plans increase with low data caps, but don't be surprised if Netflix eventually increases in price to cable levels, as well as most films split across various platforms which will each incur a monthly charge.

If people think home media will die and they will continue getting every movie at their fingertips for $8 a month they are dreaming. Studios make a lot of profits after the movie leaves theatres, and they won't be able to do that with whatever Netflix is giving them from charging $8 a month. People being cheap will either be the death of film, unlikely, or a huge increase in streaming charges, very likely.

Studios are currently doing VERY well with what Netflix is paying them right now. A basic search using the Google Machine will demonstrate that. Also, these agreements don't cover "an entire catalog" by a long shot.

Physical media is going to no doubt going to go up in price, especially if a film like Horror of Dracula is lucky to sell 20000 units I'm Germany. There's no option for them if the catalog market is simply that fickle. And apparently it is...

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by popeflick

Studios are currently doing VERY well with what Netflix is paying them right now. A basic search using the Google Machine will demonstrate that. Also, these agreements don't cover "an entire catalog" by a long shot.

Physical media is going to no doubt going to go up in price, especially if a film like Horror of Dracula is lucky to sell 20000 units I'm Germany. There's no option for them if the catalog market is simply that fickle. And apparently it is...

Exactly.

Blu ray sales are greatly boosted by new release blockbusters. Catalog sales are terrible according to every news item I have read on the subject. Thus the studios are going to show less and less interest in catalog releases as time goes by. Honestly though this can often mean the dedicated niche audience gets a better product, like Criterion Laserdiscs back in the day. It also means we're going to be paying a lot for it, though.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Exactly.

Blu ray sales are greatly boosted by new release blockbusters. Catalog sales are terrible according to every news item I have read on the subject. Thus the studios are going to show less and less interest in catalog releases as time goes by. Honestly though this can often mean the dedicated niche audience gets a better product, like Criterion Laserdiscs back in the day. It also means we're going to be paying a lot for it, though.

that's gonna be a hard sell though. they have conditioned consumers to expect dirt cheap pricing on catalogs, and dirt cheap even on streaming. It's going to be a VERY hard sell to try and negate the last 20 years of pricing. it's a lot easier to drop prices than it is to raise them. From a marketing standpoint it will be very interesting to see

and I wouldn't be so sure about a higher quality product. except for Criterion most of the other labels aren't THAT good.

TT gets what the studio gives them and encodes it
Olive has menus that a 5 year old could create and no subs, or extras most of the time
Scream/Shout are known for their compression issues
Kino, usually pretty good but they get the same things from the studio.

[belcherman]

Isn't there a separate thread for discussion of Blu Ray economics and the viability of physical media? If not there should be.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by wormraper

that's gonna be a hard sell though. they have conditioned consumers to expect dirt cheap pricing on catalogs, and dirt cheap even on streaming. It's going to be a VERY hard sell to try and negate the last 20 years of pricing. it's a lot easier to drop prices than it is to raise them. From a marketing standpoint it will be very interesting to see

and I wouldn't be so sure about a higher quality product. except for Criterion most of the other labels aren't THAT good.

TT gets what the studio gives them and encodes it
Olive has menus that a 5 year old could create and no subs, or extras most of the time
Scream/Shout are known for their compression issues
Kino, usually pretty good but they get the same things from the studio.

Yeah I'm sure it will be a mixed bag. Hopefully before this becomes more common it also gets more feasible for companies like Shout to do their own transfers like Criterion does? I don't really know the financial realities of such things.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by wormraper

that's gonna be a hard sell though. they have conditioned consumers to expect dirt cheap pricing on catalogs, and dirt cheap even on streaming. It's going to be a VERY hard sell to try and negate the last 20 years of pricing. it's a lot easier to drop prices than it is to raise them. From a marketing standpoint it will be very interesting to see

and I wouldn't be so sure about a higher quality product. except for Criterion most of the other labels aren't THAT good.

TT gets what the studio gives them and encodes it
Olive has menus that a 5 year old could create and no subs, or extras most of the time
Scream/Shout are known for their compression issues
Kino, usually pretty good but they get the same things from the studio.

And average MSRP will rise to over 20 bucks. We're working towards a new normal now.

Think if what streaming doesn't entail: disc authoring; artwork printing, case purchasing, assembly, shipping, returns from the outlets. There are different costs sure, but not nearly as much which pushes the profits up if they get a good deal streaming somewhere.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by popeflick

And average MSRP will rise to over 20 bucks. We're working towards a new normal now.

Think if what streaming doesn't entail: disc authoring; artwork printing, case purchasing, assembly, shipping, returns from the outlets. There are different costs sure, but not nearly as much which pushes the profits up if they get a good deal streaming somewhere.

average msrp of what? streaming sales or catalog titles? because streaming SALES are pretty much DOA...

but just musing here. I wonder if the niche catalog market will do well as a full niche... piracy wasn't in existence during laserdisc (at least not the way it is now). and I constantly here from people here on this site, to a dozen other sites, that if prices go up on catalogs then they'll just turn to piratebay...... it will definitely be interesting to see

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by wormraper

and I constantly here from people here on this site, to a dozen other sites, that if prices go up on catalogs then they'll just turn to piratebay...... it will definitely be interesting to see

Funny thing. Just last night, the NBC News had a story about House of Cards and the Netflix model. Included in the story was a quote from Kevin Spacey, who said (not an exact quote) of the Netflix model (specifically releasing all of a season's episodes at once), "It shows that if you give the people what they want, when they want it, and at a reasonable price, they won't steal it."

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by wormraper

average msrp of what? streaming sales or catalog titles? because streaming SALES are pretty much DOA...

but just musing here. I wonder if the niche catalog market will do well as a full niche... piracy wasn't in existence during laserdisc (at least not the way it is now). and I constantly here from people here on this site, to a dozen other sites, that if prices go up on catalogs then they'll just turn to piratebay...... it will definitely be interesting to see

MSRP of blu ray catalog titles.

Laserdisc died before internet sharing, which made pirating so much easier than going to a con of some type and finding that shady sort of dealer...

[Akijama]

Special Features: Isolated Score Track / Original Theatrical Trailer

Pre-order date: Wednesday, August 20th at 4 pm EST.

[krasnoludek]

Originally Posted by Akijama

[Show spoiler]

Special Features: Isolated Score Track / Original Theatrical Trailer

Pre-order date: Wednesday, August 20th at 4 pm EST.

WOW! That's instantly gone to the top of my favorite covers from them. Great artwork!