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Old 07-04-2018, 04:54 PM   #28861
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If you take a step back and think about it, there is no "need" for label-based threads at all. When a label announces a new release, it can get its own thread, which is more likely to get seen by people who are excited to own the movie than an announcement in a label thread. The label threads exist not as a place to discuss the "best release" of a movie, but to discuss the label itself, including (in several cases) directly talking to representatives of the label. With that in mind, I can see why people think it's bad manners to have conversations like that in label threads; it would be like going to somebody's mom-and-pop shop and complaining loudly that the prices are lower on Amazon.

On a practical level, there is a greater than 50% chance that any post that says "Why not import this superior version?" will lead to a conversation about preferring not to import or not being region free, and then the thread gets derailed for at least half a page in a recurring circular argument. The more they can do to get rid of that, the better off we readers are.
It’s a massive false equivalency to suggest that discussing competing releases in a label’s thread is comparable to disrupting a mom and pop shop. Twilight Time doesn’t have propriety over this thread, it’s a forum designed to discuss the format and very few people participate in threads designated to specific films not called Star Wars or Friday the 13th. The pinned threads get lots traffic and it makes perfect sense and is extremely useful to compare releases in them. If posters are junking up threads with condescending Region coding discussion then ban them.
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:14 PM   #28862
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I arrange my collection by genre (film noir, neo-noir, horror, western, 1980s comedy, etc.), with a few exceptions. The Criterion titles that pretty much defy genre categorization simply go in the “Criterion” section.

My collection has also got to the point where I have sub-genre categorizations. (giallo, Vincent Price horror, Roger Corman, Alfred Hitchcock, blaxploitation, 2000s horror, classic horror, spaghetti western, musical, 1980s action, superhero, James Bond, etc.)

There's no feasible way to keep my movies in alphabetical order without driving myself insane, since I add new titles to my collection so frequently. With the genre arrangement, I don't have to worry about shifting stuff around everywhere whenever I buy a few new titles.

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Old 07-04-2018, 08:17 PM   #28863
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I have a relatively small collection (compared to many here) but organise my discs chronologically - by year of release.

It helps me to keep the release dates fresh in my mind and also helps put the movie in historical context, I think.

My records I have sorted by genres. Alphabetical order is no kind of order at all as far as I'm concerned.

Since this is a TT thread I should thank whoever it was here that recommended "House of Bamboo" during the last sale. What a fantastic movie. Glad I got it before it went OOP! It sits in my shelf, the last 1955 disc, between two other TT titles; "Violent Saturday" and "Moby Dick."
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Alphabetical within genres, chronological within directors/actors, by size for the someone-got-carried-away-with-the-limited-edition-packaging ones.
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:24 PM   #28865
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Alphabetical within genres, chronological within directors/actors, by size for the someone-got-carried-away-with-the-limited-edition-packaging ones.
I only have a couple like this, thankfully. I've got this huge trunk with all of the Puppet Master movies inside of it. I also have this giant Herschell Gordon Lewis set that looks like an economy-size cereal box. I keep both of them on the top rail of my closet where most of my movies are.
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:26 PM   #28866
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I have a relatively small collection (compared to many here) but organise my discs chronologically - by year of release.

It helps me to keep the release dates fresh in my mind and also helps put the movie in historical context, I think.

My records I have sorted by genres. Alphabetical order is no kind of order at all as far as I'm concerned.

Since this is a TT thread I should thank whoever it was here that recommended "House of Bamboo" during the last sale. What a fantastic movie. Glad I got it before it went OOP! It sits in my shelf, the last 1955 disc, between two other TT titles; "Violent Saturday" and "Moby Dick."
Ditto. I'm glad I picked up "House of Bamboo" and "Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte" during this sale. "Bamboo" is a top-notch noir that I wished I had known about earlier.
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:30 PM   #28867
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Mine are arranged by director first and foremost (alphabetical by last name), then by franchise (oldest to newest), then an "original + remake" section (for films I have both versions of), then a TV series section, then a general animation section (arranged by studio/director), then whatever's left is simply in chronological release order, from the 1930's up until 2018.
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:35 PM   #28868
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I'm just gonna passively-aggressively leave this little link here.

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Old 07-04-2018, 09:00 PM   #28869
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Twilight Time doesn’t have propriety over this thread,
No, but the mods do.

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If posters are junking up threads with condescending Region coding discussion then ban them.
I suspect that instituting a ban on being condescending would result in a lot of users getting kicked off the site.

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Old 07-04-2018, 09:43 PM   #28870
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I have a special bookcase for my Criterion titles, which I organize alphabetically. The rest of my movies are organized alphabetically. I have a separate bookcase for TV series, which are (surprise, surprise!) also arranged alphabetically.

I love hearing about how other collectors organize their libraries, but I have always refrained from getting into discussions that include the phrases, "You should ...", "You need to ..." or "I recommend ..." I've always believed that whatever works for each individual is the way for that person to go.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:57 PM   #28871
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I have a special bookcase for my Criterion titles, which I organize alphabetically. The rest of my movies are organized alphabetically. I have a separate bookcase for TV series, which are (surprise, surprise!) also arranged alphabetically.

I love hearing about how other collectors organize their libraries, but I have always refrained from getting into discussions that include the phrases, "You should ...", "You need to ..." or "I recommend ..." I've always believed that whatever works for each individual is the way for that person to go.
I have three shelves full of films. One for Criterions and Kinos (have them double-stacked), one for TTs, Shout Factory, Indicator, Arrow, etc., and one for all other labels like Code Red, Scorpion, Vinegar Syndrome, and others. Luckily, I've found a woman who tolerates the insanity of being a film collector, realizing this is key to my experience as a human being, and lets me have a room to indulge in my insanity wherever we go, whatever we do. It's such catharsis, with all the terrible shit that happens in the world on a daily basis, to go into your own video store after a long day. I have a buddy who recently started collecting again and he told me he recently started to understand this phenomenon.
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Old 07-04-2018, 10:17 PM   #28872
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I have my collection organized in boxes waiting to be shipped out, but ideally I would have one set of shelves for Blu-ray movies, one set of shelves for DVD movies, one set of shelves for television (mostly DVD, just the top shelf for Blus), and those would all be arranged alphabetically (with some house variations, like sequels and prequels get filed under the original, numbers are spelled out and spaces are ignored). But I'd also have a section for directors, with their work arranged chronologically, because that is a major collecting point for me. I can understand arranging by genre, but for me this is the most convenient way to be able to scan the collection to remember if I have a movie or not, without having to remember which label published it or which broad genre I decided was the best fit.
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One Fox title I'd like to see from TT is THE GIRL IN THE RED VELVET SWING (1955, directed by Richard Fleischer). I think that the old Fox DVD is out of print. The aspect ratio is the original 2:55-1 CinemaScope.
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I have 20 hours to decide before the Fox sale ends. Which are the Best BLIND BUYS I can get from this sale? Please tell me soon. Time is running out.
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I have 20 hours to decide before the Fox sale ends. Which are the Best BLIND BUYS I can get from this sale? Please tell me soon. Time is running out.
Just from judging from what's not in your collection...The Seven-Ups, The Keys of the Kingdom, How to Steal a Million and Where the Sidewalk Ends.
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:58 PM   #28876
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So, I'm a big fan of Montgomery Clift and I've never seen Suddenly, Last Summer. I'm curious - do others consider this an essential film on his résumé? Or is it like what Night and the City is for Gene Tierney?

Also, I think I saw somebody lump this together with The Long Hot Summer (which I also haven't seen, so spoiler free discussion, pls ...) thoughts on that one? good film?

I picked up the latter in the recent sale and will do the same for the Taylor/Clift once I get a chance to pick it up at a good price.
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So, I'm a big fan of Montgomery Clift and I've never seen Suddenly, Last Summer. I'm curious - do others consider this an essential film on his résumé? Or is it like what Night and the City is for Gene Tierney?

Also, I think I saw somebody lump this together with The Long Hot Summer (which I also haven't seen, so spoiler free discussion, pls ...) thoughts on that one? good film?

I picked up the latter in the recent sale and will do the same for the Taylor/Clift once I get a chance to pick it up at a good price.
Suddenly, Last Summer is good, but it really belongs to Elizabeth Taylor and Katherine Hepburn. Clift's part could have been played by anybody.
The Long Hot Summer is also good, with Paul Newman playing a bit of a scoundrel and Orson Welles as a Big Daddy type character. The rest of the cast is also top-shelf.

I would recommend both films, but neither is essential, IMHO. My guess is that both will still be around for the next Fox sale, at a lower price tier. At least, that's my bet.

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So, I'm a big fan of Montgomery Clift and I've never seen Suddenly, Last Summer. I'm curious - do others consider this an essential film on his résumé? Or is it like what Night and the City is for Gene Tierney?

Also, I think I saw somebody lump this together with The Long Hot Summer (which I also haven't seen, so spoiler free discussion, pls ...) thoughts on that one? good film?

I picked up the latter in the recent sale and will do the same for the Taylor/Clift once I get a chance to pick it up at a good price.
Like the poster above me said, Suddenly, Last Summer is considered a grotesque classic but Clift is rather incidental to it. He's just "there" as a buffer between the two female heavyweights who try to one up the other with the scenery swallowing. He's an interesting casting choice given the subject matter and his relationship with Taylor, but by no means is it a "Clift film".

The other is Tennessee Williams-lite, with the sordidness diluted and the melodrama cranked to a feverish pitch. It's okay as a one-time watch but it's frivolous, lightweight stuff.

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Suddenly, Last Summer is essential Katharine Hepburn and Elizabeth Taylor. Is it essential Montgomery Clift? I think the more appropriate question to be is there such a thing as non-essential Montgomery Clift? Not in my book.

The real star of this deep Southern gothic drama is Hepburn's spoiled, selfish son Sebastian, who except for brief flashbacks, is never actually seen. Yet he dominates the film, the conversations, the setting, and the central mystery of what drove Elizabeth Taylor's character, his cousin Catherine Holly, insane enough to be committed to a series of mental institutions. Sebastian is an enigma who can either redeem or destroy the lives of the main protagonists in this disturbing psychological tale based on the play by Tennessee Williams and adapted to the screen by Gore Vidal.

Directed by Joseph Mankiewicz (The Barefoot Contessa, Dragonwyck, The Ghost and Mrs. Muir), the story revolves around a Southern matriarch and widow Violet Venable (played by Katharine Hepburn) who requests the services of a young, brilliant psychiatrist named John Cukrowicz (played by Clift) to review the case of the recent mental breakdown of her niece Catherine Holly. Cukrowicz is a rising celebrity in scientific circles for his pioneering use of lobotomy to cure seemingly incurably violent mentally ill patients. He has been hired out of Chicago by the aging and financially struggling local state mental institute to oversee its new programs and to add prestige to its staff. The carrot dangled by Violet to the institute is a substantial financial gift if Cukrowicz will examine Catherine's as a suitable candidate for lobotomy.

And so the story begins, through a series of interviews with Catherine by Cukrowicz in an attempt to unlock the events that drove her insane. Along the way we see Catherine's torment at the hands of some well meaning but clueless nuns who are currently caring for her and are no longer able to control her rages, her transfer to Cukrowicz's institute, and the dramas that erupt there when Catherine comes face-to-face with her aunt Violet, her mother and brother, and the other inmates of a madhouse.

Like the layers of an onion, the plot peels back the nature of Catherine's psychosis and the motivations of the central characters. Sebastian rises to the forefront of the story and remains there until the bitter, violent, melodramatic end. By the time the curtain comes down on this cinematic working of William's play, we have been treated (or subjected to, depending on your point of view) to just about the darkest themed and overwrought film in Mankiewicz's impressive career. Drivers to the story include insanity, murder, cruelty, cannibalism, cowardice, and loving something to the extremes of evil in order to protect it. Homosexuality is a central theme; how it is portrayed in the film is subject to both the Hays Code and the view of the times.

Suddenly, Last Summer is a film that will not appeal to everyone. Tennessee Williams himself roundly scourged the film, criticizing among other things how it was adapted from his original play and the casting of Taylor as Catherine (he felt Taylor, at this time at the height of her career, as too glamorous and unsuitable for the role). Critics gave it mixed reviews, although in the court of public opinion where things really count, the audience flocked to it and made it a hit. In spite of Williams dire assessment of casting choices, Taylor is magnificent as Catherine. In my opinion, this is one of her finest roles. Hepburn is also tremendous as Violet, a performance both nuanced and over-the-top, so well done that she is instrumental in making the unseen character of Sebastian leap to life on the screen. Both Hepburn and Taylor received Academy award nominations for this film. I would be amiss if I did not also point out the performance of Mercedes McCambridge as Catherine's mother, a role owned by McCambrige, one of my favorite actresses, who brings to the story a particularly pathetic and craven accompaniment to a horror that nevertheless earns her the sympathy of the audience.

Taylor and Hepburn leave a little room for Clift. His portrayal of Dr. Cukrowicz is subdued, but so were just about all of Clift's roles at this time and going forward. At this point in his career he was in the grip of pain killers and alcohol as he recovered from the auto accident that changed his life forever. He was unstable, had problems with his lines, and required multiple takes to get his scenes complete. Taylor was instrumental in Clift getting the role at a time when he was considered a liability due to his dependencies; the two of them were great friends, and Clift's accident had happened as he was leaving Taylor's home. From what I have read, director Mankiewicz was totally unsympathetic to the actor's struggles and wanted him replaced. The story goes that Hepburn was so appalled by Mankiewicz's treatment of Clift that, when her final scene was filmed and Mankiewicz confirmed her services were no longer needed, she spat in the director's face. In my mind I equate Clift's performance here on par with his acting in The Misfits. He seems rather stiff and slightly spaced out, a tortured individual struggling to maintain balance, who still carries his roles onscreen with a pathos and humanity few others could equal. He is an essential actor in my opinion.

The 4K transfer of Suddenly, Last Summer is beautiful and rich, reflecting how good black and white film can look in high definition. I have no complaints with the video or sound presentation. The movie may be guilty of Southern Gothic excess, but it is a guilty pleasure I most heartily recommend and could watch over and over again.

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[Show spoiler]Suddenly, Last Summer is essential Katherine Hepburn and Elizabeth Taylor. Is it essential Montgomery Clift? I think the more appropriate question to be is there such a thing as non-essential Montgomery Clift? Not in my book.

The real star of this deep Southern gothic drama is Hepburn's spoiled, selfish son Sebastian, who except for brief flashbacks, is never actually seen. Yet he dominates the film, the conversations, the setting, and the central mystery of what drove Elizabeth Taylor's character, his cousin Catherine Holly, insane enough to be committed to a series of mental institutions. Sebastian is an enigma who can either redeem or destroy the lives of the main protagonists in this disturbing psychological tale based on the play by Tennessee Williams and adapted to the screen by Gore Vidal.

Directed by Joseph Mankiewicz (The Barefoot Contessa, Dragonwyck, The Ghost and Mrs. Muir), the story revolves around a Southern matriarch and widow Violent Venable (played by Katherine Hepburn) who requests the services of a young, brilliant psychiatrist named John Cukrowicz (played by Clift) to review the case of the recent mental breakdown of her niece Catherine Holly. Cukrowicz has become a rising celebrity in scientific circles for his pioneering use of lobotomy to cure seemingly incurably violent mentally ill patients. He has been hired out of Chicago by the aging and financially struggling local state mental institute to oversee its new programs, and to add prestige to its staff. The carrot dangled by Violet to the institute is a substantial financial gift if Cukrowicz will review Catherine's case as a suitable candidate for lobotomy.

And so the story begins, through a series of interviews with Catherine by Cukrowicz in an attempt to unlock the events that drove her insane. Along the way we see Catherine's torment at the hands of some well meaning but clueless nuns who are currently caring for her and are no longer able to control her rages, her transfer to Cukrowicz's institute, and the dramas that erupt there when Catherine comes face-to-face with her aunt Violet, her mother and brother, and the other inmates of a madhouse.

Like the layers of an onion, the plot peels back the nature of Catherine's psychosis and the motivations of the central characters. Sebastian rises to the forefront of the story and remains there until the bitter, violent, melodramatic end. By the time the curtain comes down on this cinematic working of William's play, we have been treated (or subjected to, depending on your point of view) to just about the darkest themed and overwrought film in Mankiewicz's impressive career. Drivers to the story include insanity, murder, cruelty, cannibalism, cowardice, and loving something to the extremes of evil in order to protect it. Homosexuality is a central theme; how it is portrayed in the film is subject to both the Hays Code and the view of the times.

Suddenly, Last Summer is a film that will not appeal to everyone. Tennessee Williams himself roundly scourged the film, criticizing among other things how it was adapted from his original play and the casting of Taylor as Catherine (he felt Taylor, at this time at the height of her career, as too glamorous and unsuitable for the role). Critics gave it mixed reviews, although in the court of public opinion where things really count, the audience flocked to it and made it a hit. In spite of Williams dire assessment of casting choices, Taylor is magnificent as Catherine. In my opinion, this is one of her finest roles. Hepburn is also tremendous as Violet, a performance both nuanced and over-the-top, so well done that she is instrumental in making the unseen character of Sebastian leap to life on the screen. Both Hepburn and Taylor received Academy award nominations for this film. I would be amiss if I did not also point out the performance of Mercedes McCambridge as Catherine's mother, a role owned by McCambrige, one of my favorite actresses, who brings to the story a particularly pathetic and craven accompaniment to a horror that nevertheless earns the sympathy of the audience.

Taylor and Hepburn leave a little room for Clift. His portrayal of Dr. Cukrowicz is subdued, but so were just about all of Clift's roles at this time and going forward. At this point in his career he was in the grip of pain killers and alcohol as he recovered from the auto accident that changed his life forever. He was unstable, had problems with his lines, and required multiple takes to get his scenes complete. Taylor was instrumental in Clift getting the role at a time when he was considered a liability due to his dependencies; the two of them were great friends, and Clift's accident had happened as he was leaving Taylor's home. From what I have read, director Mankiewicz was totally unsympathetic to the actor's struggles and wanted him replaced. The story goes that Hepburn was so appalled by Mankiewicz's treatment of Clift that, when her final scene was filmed and Mankiewicz confirmed her services were no longer needed, she spat in the director's face. In my mind I equate Clift's performance here on par with his acting in The Misfits. He seems rather stiff and slightly spaced out, a tortured individual struggling to maintain balance, who still carries his roles on screen with a pathos and humanity few others could equal. He is an essential actor in my opinion.

The 4K transfer of Suddenly, Last Summer is beautiful and rich, reflecting how good black and white film can look in high definition. I have no complaints with the video or sound presentation. The movie may be guilty of Southern Gothic excess, but it is a guilty pleasure I most heartily recommend and could watch over and over again.
if the oildude likes it, I'll probably enjoy it.

this was reaffirmed w/ your comments regarding Ride The Pink Horse in the CC thread. you've got a great appreciation for these smaller gems. we've shared the same enthusiasm on a lot of them. thanks for this write up.
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