Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[Snl40boi]

So today during my break at work I was trying to order another movie on sale. I was using the Twilight Time movies website and I checked out and everything when I got to the last part to press process it wasn’t going thru. I had to use the screen archive website to order the movie. So is the Twilight Time movies website working? I don’t wanna get charged 5 times, so far everything in my bank looks fine.

[Snl40boi]

Originally Posted by StarDestroyer52

No.

Oh that’s good to know.

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by Twilight Time

. However, when Technicolor bought them out things went haywire - initially forcing all the manufacturing to be done in Mexico - we had been proud of the fact that previously all our manufacturing was in the USA - now, recently, they forced everybody out of Mexico and back to the US, which on the surface sounds great, but as you say with fewer plants now - everything has slowed desperately in the last two months and clearly Technicolor lacks the facilities to match the current demand, so, everyone's lead times have been lengthened and releases delayed.t.

Appreciate the answers -- even little bits help the puzzle. Esp as Holiday Inventory ramp up approached that sounds like a disaster

I remember when you were forced to move from Cinram to TC in Mexico. I had read the TC thought their Mexico plant could max at a higher level than they (at least initially) could provide and several people got burned on planned release dates for the first 6-12 months.

This may be a big missing piece: I had not heard that the Mexico TC production (some/most/?all) moved back to the remaining US plants which I'm guessing have a far lower capacity in total compared to the Mexico plant.
At least at some point I'm pretty sure that was by far the largest in the world. Does that move just affect the smaller folks like you and Criterion or did Disney, Warner, Fox, etc get all their production moved too?

Any way to guess at how much production the US plants can handle compared to the Tc-Mexico plant?

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Twilight Time

That's a lot of questions, Hariseldon - and I don't think we can answer much with any specificity - we'd been with Cinram since the beginning and found them relatively easy to deal with given that we were a small account. However, when Technicolor bought them out things went haywire - initially forcing all the manufacturing to be done in Mexico - we had been proud of the fact that previously all our manufacturing was in the USA - now, recently, they forced everybody out of Mexico and back to the US, which on the surface sounds great, but as you say with fewer plants now - everything has slowed desperately in the last two months and clearly Technicolor lacks the facilities to match the current demand, so, everyone's lead times have been lengthened and releases delayed. This will sort itself out hopefully, but the changing face of this business - a glut on the market with rapidly diminishing sales, fewer licensing opportunities, and allied with a decreased number of manufacturing options is leading to a crisis - the answer to which is unclear at the moment.

It's good to hear some manufacturing has been brought back to the US. Which plant is currently manufacturing the discs in the US? If it's not the Olyphant plant, hopefully they can bring it back online within time.

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

It's good to hear some manufacturing has been brought back to the US. Which plant is currently manufacturing the discs in the US? If it's not the Olyphant plant, hopefully they can bring it back online within time.

I think the Olyphant plant is history though judging from some comments on Indeed.com which sounds like at least some of the warehouse and paperwork jobs are still active

http://www.dvd-and-beyond.com/displa...p?article=1199

https://www.aminext.com/blog/2018/1/...color-facility

https://fox59.com/2018/01/17/sony-di...d-380-workers/

https://www.citizensvoice.com/news/t...hant-1.2291128

https://www.commercialappeal.com/sto...rom=new-cookie -- interesting to see the names Huntsville, Alabama and Memphis/La Vergne, Tennessee since I'm guessing those are old Cinram facilities. I get a lot of packages routed through LaVergne

[oildude]

Pre-order date: Wednesday, November 7th at 4 pm EST


Directed by Stanley Kramer (The Defiant Ones, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World, Inherit the Wind, The Secret of Santa Vittoria)

Starring:

George C. Scott, Faye Dunaway, John Mills, and Jack Palance.

Cinematography by Robert Surtees, one of the greats whose work includes Ben-Hur, Oklahoma, The Sting, The Cowboys, The Last Picture Show, The Graduate, Raintree County, Doctor Dolittle, Two Mules for Sister Sara, to name just a few.

Music by Henry Mancini, who composed over 200 scores for movies and television, including The Pink Panther films, Peter Gunn (TV series), It Came from Outer Space, This Island Earth, Touch of Evil, Experiment in Terror, Hatari!, Charade, Mr. Hobbs Takes a Vacation, Sunflower, and many more.


Turner Classic Moves article and production story: http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/351/O.../articles.html

Special Features: Isolated Music Track / Audio Commentary with Film Historians Eddy Friedfeld, Lee Pfeiffer, and Paul Scrabo

[Twilight Time]

Originally Posted by hariseldon

Appreciate the answers -- even little bits help the puzzle. Esp as Holiday Inventory ramp up approached that sounds like a disaster

I remember when you were forced to move from Cinram to TC in Mexico. I had read the TC thought their Mexico plant could max at a higher level than they (at least initially) could provide and several people got burned on planned release dates for the first 6-12 months.

This may be a big missing piece: I had not heard that the Mexico TC production (some/most/?all) moved back to the remaining US plants which I'm guessing have a far lower capacity in total compared to the Mexico plant.
At least at some point I'm pretty sure that was by far the largest in the world. Does that move just affect the smaller folks like you and Criterion or did Disney, Warner, Fox, etc get all their production moved too?

Any way to guess at how much production the US plants can handle compared to the Tc-Mexico plant?

In a way, everybody is a small account now, with no company, big or small manufacturing more than 3,000-5,000 units initially now on any given title. One of the main problems is that although the manufacturing is done somewhere in Tennessee, the pick, pack, and shipping comes out of Pennsylvania, so that involves another delivery by road of materials as opposed to everything being done in the same place. Anything that involves long-haul road deliveries from one state to another slows it all down even further, because afterwards our shipments have to be driven to Virginia and Texas.

We would have thought U.S. plants could handle all the business, but Technicolor is still trying to find the right solution to the problem - we'll see what happens.

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by Twilight Time

In a way, everybody is a small account now, with no company, big or small manufacturing more than 3,000-5,000 units initially now on any given title..

I going to guess Disney still is the outlier at least on their New Movie releases.

I'm not sure anyone knows the answer, but I'd love to know what % of total Bluray/UHD Disney accounts for in the US either by units or revenue given the Top 5 are all Disney and appear to be over 2M units ea in 2018. I'm guessing Disney may be pushing 40-50% of the overall Home Media BD/UHD sales now just looking at the Top 100.

The last list I I saw must have been before the end of Aug right after IW was released b/c it was still #6 on the list (first 2 weeks of sales) and Jurassic World FK and Solo weren't on the Top 100 at all.

[BwayJ]

RUNAWAY TRAIN is sold out.

[oildude]

Pre-order date: Wednesday, November 7th at 4 pm EST

Directed by Nicholas Ray (Rebel Without a Cause, Johnny Guitar, In a Lonely Place, They Live by Night, On Dangerous Ground, and many more)

Starring:

Robert Wagner (Austin Powers, Beneath the 12-Mile Reef, The Pink Panther, Harper, The Halls of Montezuma, and TV's Hart to Hart)

Jeffrey Hunter (The Searchers, The Last Hurrah, No Down Payment, and many 1960s TV shows including the classic Star Trek episode The Cage as Captain Christopher Pike.)

Hope Lange (The Best of Everything, Death Wish, The Young Lions, Peyton Place)

Agnes Moorehead (The Magnificent Ambersons, Citizen Kane, All That Heaven Allows, Magnificent Obsession, Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte, but probably best known for her later television roles, including Bewitched.)

Music by the great Leigh Harline, who began his scoring career in animation, including Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and Pinocchio, before going on to film work that includes House of Bamboo, Broken Lance, They Live by Night, Warlock, The Pride of the Yankees, Monkey Business, and Pickup on South Street.

Cinematography by the outstanding Joseph MacDonald, who lensed many classics, including My Darling Clementine, Call Northside 777, Panic in the Streets, Niagara, Pickup on South Street, Hell and High Water, The Young Lions, Mackenna's Gold, and The Sand Pebbles. His resume reads like a playbill of my favorite films.

Special Features: Isolated Music Track / Fox Movietone Newsreels / Original Theatrical Trailer

Trailer

True Story of Jesse James.1957 - YouTube

[Twilight Time]

Originally Posted by hariseldon

I going to guess Disney still is the outlier at least on their New Movie releases.

I'm not sure anyone knows the answer, but I'd love to know what % of total Bluray/UHD Disney accounts for in the US either by units or revenue given the Top 5 are all Disney and appear to be over 2M units ea in 2018. I'm guessing Disney may be pushing 40-50% of the overall Home Media BD/UHD sales now just looking at the Top 100.

The last list I I saw must have been before the end of Aug right after IW was released b/c it was still #6 on the list (first 2 weeks of sales) and Jurassic World FK and Solo weren't on the Top 100 at all.

Just to be clear, we were only referring to catalogue titles, not new releases.

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by Twilight Time

Just to be clear, we were only referring to catalogue titles, not new releases.

Didn't realize that exclusion, but certainly makes more sense.

At least excluding Disney Vault titles and I'm guessing high profile catalog 4K releases like Matrix, Kwai and 2001

[Blu_Beard]

Originally Posted by oildude

Pre-order date: Wednesday, November 7th at 4 pm EST

Directed by Nicholas Ray (Rebel Without a Cause, Johnny Guitar, In a Lonely Place, They Live by Night, On Dangerous Ground, and many more)

[Show spoiler]
Starring:

Robert Wagner (Austin Powers, Beneath the 12-Mile Reef, The Pink Panther, Harper, The Halls of Montezuma, and TV's Hart to Hart)

Jeffrey Hunter (The Searchers, The Last Hurrah, No Down Payment, and many 1960s TV shows including the classic Star Trek episode The Cage as Captain Christopher Pike.)

Hope Lange (The Best of Everything, Death Wish, The Young Lions, Peyton Place)

Agnes Moorehead (The Magnificent Ambersons, Citizen Kane, All That Heaven Allows, Magnificent Obsession, Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte, but probably best known for her later television roles, including Bewitched.)

Music by the great Leigh Harline, who began his scoring career in animation, including Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and Pinocchio, before going on to film work that includes House of Bamboo, Broken Lance, They Live by Night, Warlock, The Pride of the Yankees, Monkey Business, and Pickup on South Street.

Cinematography by the outstanding Joseph MacDonald, who lensed many classics, including My Darling Clementine, Call Northside 777, Panic in the Streets, Niagara, Pickup on South Street, Hell and High Water, The Young Lions, Mackenna's Gold, and The Sand Pebbles. His resume reads like a playbill of my favorite films.

Trailer

True Story of Jesse James.1957 - YouTube

Special Features: Isolated Music Track / Fox Movietone Newsreels / Original Theatrical Trailer

Great to have more Nic Ray on blu. Too bad they didn't get the gang together to do a commentary. I'm sure I'll still be picking this one up.

[Dailyan]

I got my sale order today; I popped in "The Incident"...what an intense, gripping film. Easily in my Top 5 TT Blind Buys. Martin Sheen and Tony Musante are terrifying. It's a shame that this isn't more well known and I applaud TT for releasing it.

[JackLordsHair]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

I got my sale order today; I popped in "The Incident"...what an intense, gripping film. Easily in my Top 5 TT Blind Buys. Martin Sheen and Tony Musante are terrifying. It's a shame that this isn't more well known and I applaud TT for releasing it.

Absolutely agree 100% a fantastic and disturbing movie, great ensemble cast and excellent acting throughout !

Does anyone know if Eye of the Needle has sold out I had it in my cart and didnt pull the trigger 2 days ago, and while it still appears in my saved cart it doesn't appear to be available as a sale title on TT's website now ...damn I am going to be pissed at myself for not ordering when i had it ready to go on Wed night argh !!!

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by JackLordsHair

Absolutely agree 100% a fantastic and disturbing movie, great ensemble cast and excellent acting throughout !

Does anyone know if Eye of the Needle has sold out I had it in my cart and didnt pull the trigger 2 days ago, and while it still appears in my saved cart it doesn't appear to be available as a sale title on TT's website now ...damn I am going to be pissed at myself for not ordering when i had it ready to go on Wed night argh !!!

I can’t wait to give the commentary a spin.

Also “Eye of the Needle” is still available on SAE
http://www.screenarchives.com/index.cfm

[mja345]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

I can’t wait to give the commentary a spin.

Also “Eye of the Needle” is still available on SAE
http://www.screenarchives.com/index.cfm

If you haven't seen it, check out Larry Peerce's other thriller "Two-Minute Warning". It's a terrific film, one of the most underrated of the 70s, and Shout's BD features a great interview with Peerce.

[JackLordsHair]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

I can’t wait to give the commentary a spin.

Also “Eye of the Needle” is still available on SAE
http://www.screenarchives.com/index.cfm

Many thanks !!! I don't believe i have listened to the commentary myself yet.

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by mja345

If you haven't seen it, check out Larry Peerce's other thriller "Two-Minute Warning". It's a terrific film, one of the most underrated of the 70s, and Shout's BD features a great interview with Peerce.

I’ll definitely put it on my list.

[Black Sun]

Is American Buffalo just a bad movie? It’s been on sale for 10 bucks for ages and seems to have a permanent spot on the Going Fast list (not fast enough apparently). I’m tired of looking at mildly annoyed Dennis Franz on a bench every time I want to browse TT deals.