Twilight Time Discussion Thread - Page 1760 - Blu-ray Forum

ToonySpoonGoon · 12-15-2020, 08:22 PM

some more unreleased Woody Allen hopefully?

Gunsnroses092789 · 12-15-2020, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by xochipilli

Well, that's a nice Christmas surprise! The only slight damper on this is the Fox/Disney thing. If they're only going to be pulling from the Sony and Universal catalogs, I can't see that many titles that wouldn't be also picked up by Indicator or Eureka. My favorite thing about TT was their relationship with Fox, and unless they suddenly decided to get their head out of their ass(doubtful), I'm hoping they still had a couple of leftover titles from the last Fox deal. There are quite a few titles already restored in 4K that I could only see coming from them(The Turning Point, Teenage Rebel). Barring that, hopefully they can get Flower Drum Song. Kino isn't interested, it's already been restored, and Nick worked on the dvd extras. Here's hoping!

They supposedly do have some leftovers from the Fox deal, including Preminger's Fallen Angel (1945). They also should still have some Sony & MGM leftovers, such as You Were Never Lovelier (1942) & China Doll (1958). I'm curious to see which of the leftovers will be released, and which will left unreleased.

Also, I'm curious out of all the Fox deals made by Criterion, Twilight Times, Kino and others, why has no one in the US picked up Nightmare Alley (1947)?

xochipilli · 12-15-2020, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunsnroses092789

They supposedly do have some leftovers from the Fox deal, including Preminger's Fallen Angel (1945). They also should still have some Sony & MGM leftovers, such as You Were Never Lovelier (1942) & China Doll (1958). I'm curious to see which of the leftovers will be released, and which will left unreleased.

Also, I'm curious out of all the Fox deals made by Criterion, Twilight Times, Kino and others, why has no one in the US picked up Nightmare Alley (1947)?

I thought You Were Never Lovelier had rights problems concerning the music?

Gunsnroses092789 · 12-15-2020, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by xochipilli

I thought You Were Never Lovelier had rights problems concerning the music?

I'm not sure. Last I heard was that TT had it and was planning a release before they defunct. But maybe it was wrong information, I don't know.

noirjunkie · 12-15-2020, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunsnroses092789

Also, I'm curious out of all the Fox deals made by Criterion, Twilight Times, Kino and others, why has no one in the US picked up Nightmare Alley (1947)?

With Guillermo del Toro's remake coming soon, I imagine the chances for the original to get a blu-ray release will be better than usual.

exzachary · 12-15-2020, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunsnroses092789

They supposedly do have some leftovers from the Fox deal, including Preminger's Fallen Angel (1945). They also should still have some Sony & MGM leftovers, such as You Were Never Lovelier (1942) & China Doll (1958). I'm curious to see which of the leftovers will be released, and which will left unreleased.

Also, I'm curious out of all the Fox deals made by Criterion, Twilight Times, Kino and others, why has no one in the US picked up Nightmare Alley (1947)?

Alien Nation was another one they supposedly had

Rzzzz · 12-15-2020, 09:24 PM

Excellent news! Even if the prices are in the Imprint range, I don't care. I hope this means that Gorilla At Large (Anne Bancroft, Lee Marvin and Lee J. Cobb) is back on the table since that one was supposedly being worked on before the hiatus...

[Show spoiler]

Shanghai Express · 12-15-2020, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RCRochester

Universal titles are already being released by Shout, Kino and Universal themselves. I'd kind of rather see them release titles from a different studio.

Shout's releases from Universal are coming at a glacial pace and include stuff like Twins and Doctor Detroit as collector's editions. Kino's releases are a shot in the dark when it comes to quality control and their title choices are questionable (such as choosing Deanna Durbin musicals and then complaining about how poorly their pre-70s releases are selling, well duh pick something you can actually sell). And as for Universal, they're releasing more of their classics in Spain than in the US: Trouble In Paradise, To Each His Own, The Story Of Dr. Wassell, The Emperor's Waltz, North West Mounted Police, and Written On The Wind have received quality region-free releases from Universal in Spain before the US. So I'd rather see Twilight Time mine the depths of the Universal vaults to rescue what Shout and Kino choose to ignore.

klauswhereareyou · 12-15-2020, 10:22 PM

Kinda hoping for Return to Peyton Place since there's an HD master on Prime for rental/purchase.

PegasusKenshiro · 12-15-2020, 10:54 PM

Lets hope they get rid of that "limited to 3000" garbage, $30 for a bare bones release, and actually have other places sell their titles.

ilenewoodsfan99 · 12-15-2020, 11:09 PM

How did I not know about this!?

Jobla · 12-15-2020, 11:13 PM

So realistically, what studios are currently in play for possible TT releases?

Sony/Columbia?
Fox/Disney? (not likely at present)
MGM? (used to have a deal, but I think they parted ways)

I assume that Warner and Paramount are not on the table.

VeronicaSawyer · 12-15-2020, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PegasusKenshiro

Lets hope they get rid of that "limited to 3000" garbage, $30 for a bare bones release, and actually have other places sell their titles.

I hate to disparage any company dedicated to physical media these days, but I have to agree. There have been many TT films I've been interested in and may have purchased, but $30 USD translates to almost $40 Canadian, plus with international shipping, I was always looking at about $50 for a movie I hadn't seen. It's hard to justify pulling that trigger, as much as I might want to. Either lowering the price or making the movies more accessible by selling them through other retailers would be much appreciated (though really, I'm just happy that the line's been resurrected).

SanCarolina59 · 12-15-2020, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunsnroses092789

They supposedly do have some leftovers from the Fox deal, including Preminger's Fallen Angel (1945). They also should still have some Sony & MGM leftovers, such as You Were Never Lovelier (1942) & China Doll (1958). I'm curious to see which of the leftovers will be released, and which will left unreleased.

Also, I'm curious out of all the Fox deals made by Criterion, Twilight Times, Kino and others, why has no one in the US picked up Nightmare Alley (1947)?

Great news! I'm not certain if this is still in play (since it was postponed by them), but I think they may still have the rights to The Iron Horse (1924) as well (Park Circus also shows a DCP for it).

As far as 1920s-1950s Fox films, here's what Park Circus shows as having DCPs that haven't been released by Twlight Time or other labels before, and not including films known to be with other labels (list spoiler tagged for length):

1920s:
DCP:

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4K DCP:

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1930s:
DCP:

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4K DCP:

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1940s:
DCP:

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4K DCP:

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1950s:
DCP:

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4K DCP:

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I'm curious if anyone else knows if any of these were supposed to be with Twilight Time at some point or if any are rumored to be with other labels.

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Originally Posted by Jobla

So realistically, what studios are currently in play for possible TT releases?

Sony/Columbia?
Fox/Disney? (not likely at present)
MGM? (used to have a deal, but I think they parted ways)

I assume that Warner and Paramount are not on the table.

From the quote above, it seems like there may be some leftover Fox, Sony, and MGM films that they had licensed before they shut down. They also apparently did a deal with Universal and licensed some films from them before hand as well, so there may be some from there as well. I have no idea what they may do going forward besides what's leftover, although I'd have to agree it's likely any Fox films they release now would have likely needed to have been licensed before the Disney buyout.

Gunsnroses092789 · 12-15-2020, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SanCarolina59

Great news! I'm not certain if this is still in play (since it was postponed by them), but I think they may still have the rights to The Iron Horse (1924) as well (Park Circus also shows a DCP for it).

As far as 1920s-1950s Fox films, here's what Park Circus shows as having DCPs that haven't been released by Twlight Time or other labels before, and not including films known to be with other labels (list spoiler tagged for length):

1920s:
DCP:

[Show spoiler]

4K DCP:

[Show spoiler]

1930s:
DCP:

[Show spoiler]

4K DCP:

[Show spoiler]

1940s:
DCP:

[Show spoiler]

4K DCP:

[Show spoiler]

1950s:
DCP:

[Show spoiler]

4K DCP:

[Show spoiler]

I'm curious if anyone else knows if any of these were supposed to be with Twilight Time at some point or if any are rumored to be with other labels.

From the quote above, it seems like there may be some leftover Fox, Sony, and MGM films that they had licensed before they shut down. They also apparently did a deal with Universal and licensed some films from them before hand as well, so there may be some from there as well. I have no idea what they may do going forward besides what's leftover, although I'd have to agree it's likely any Fox films they release now would have likely needed to have been licensed before the Disney buyout.

Nice find. There are lots more DCPs from the 20s-30s not listed there from Fox, as most of those are from MoMA’s restorations in the past couple years. They also seem very unlikely to be in TT’s Film as they probably post-date TT’s deal with Fox.

However, I could totally see them having A Hatful of Rain and The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit as TT has shown a great liking to both Fred Zinnemann and Gregory Peck, respectively. I would totally buy them.

RCRochester · 12-15-2020, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmikefern

Shout's releases from Universal are coming at a glacial pace and include stuff like Twins and Doctor Detroit as collector's editions. Kino's releases are a shot in the dark when it comes to quality control and their title choices are questionable (such as choosing Deanna Durbin musicals and then complaining about how poorly their pre-70s releases are selling, well duh pick something you can actually sell). And as for Universal, they're releasing more of their classics in Spain than in the US: Trouble In Paradise, To Each His Own, The Story Of Dr. Wassell, The Emperor's Waltz, North West Mounted Police, and Written On The Wind have received quality region-free releases from Universal in Spain before the US. So I'd rather see Twilight Time mine the depths of the Universal vaults to rescue what Shout and Kino choose to ignore.

Arrow, Criterion and several overseas labels also license from Universal, in fact I can’t think of a studio that is more receptive to working with boutiques than Universal who also allow them to put out releases in competition with their own. I understand if there’s certain titles you want but there are other studios with far fewer avenues for their titles to be available than Universal.

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Originally Posted by PegasusKenshiro

Lets hope they get rid of that "limited to 3000" garbage, $30 for a bare bones release, and actually have other places sell their titles.

Their titles haven’t been $30 for a long time now, what’s left of their back catalogue is currently going for $20 or less. Seeing as Screen Archives now owns the label I doubt that too many other places will carry them though.

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Originally Posted by ilenewoodsfan99

How did I not know about this!?

Because it was just announced earlier today.

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Originally Posted by Jobla

So realistically, what studios are currently in play for possible TT releases?

Sony/Columbia?
Fox/Disney? (not likely at present)
MGM? (used to have a deal, but I think they parted ways)

I assume that Warner and Paramount are not on the table.

Sony and Universal are most likely, Paramount maybe. Probably not MGM as they weren’t happy with the slow pace of the output to begin with but I wouldn’t count them out. If there are still some Fox titles they already signed up to release then maybe those, but nothing else post-takeover.

SanCarolina59 · 12-16-2020, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunsnroses092789

Nice find. There are lots more DCPs from the 20s-30s not listed there from Fox, as most of those are from MoMA’s restorations in the past couple years. They also seem very unlikely to be in TT’s Film as they probably post-date TT’s deal with Fox.

However, I could totally see them having A Hatful of Rain and The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit as TT has shown a great liking to both Fred Zinnemann and Gregory Peck, respectively. I would totally buy them.

I can also see them maybe doing Down Argentine Way, since they have done other Betty Grable films as well. I'd definitely also be interested in A Hatful of Rain and The Man In The Gray Flannel Suit as well. As far as what they likely don't have, my guess is that No Way Out, and maybe one or both of the two Howard Hawks films (I Was A Male War Bride and Monkey Business) may be with Criterion, but that's just a guess on my part.

On a side note, though, I'd be interested to see if any of the Universal films listed on Park Circus end up with Twilight Time as well, especially many of the ones that haven't been released anywhere.

rdodolak · 12-16-2020, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by exzachary

Alien Nation was another one they supposedly had

Yes, Nick was waiting for Fox to remaster it so I'm not sure that this title is a viable one anymore now that Disney bought Fox.

rdodolak · 12-16-2020, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bonehica

Per Screen Archives Facebook page:

Whoa, that is an interesting surprise!

ilenewoodsfan99 · 12-16-2020, 01:16 AM

Anne of the Indies would be a nice blind buy.

12-15-2020, 08:22 PM	#35181
ToonySpoonGoon Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2018 Location:Massachusetts 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Blu-ray reviews:1	some more unreleased Woody Allen hopefully?

12-15-2020, 09:24 PM	#35187
Rzzzz Banned Member since:Nov 2016 Location:Behind enemy lines 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:1414 DVD collection:544 Blu-ray reviews: 6	Excellent news! Even if the prices are in the Imprint range, I don't care. I hope this means that Gorilla At Large (Anne Bancroft, Lee Marvin and Lee J. Cobb) is back on the table since that one was supposedly being worked on before the hiatus... [Show spoiler]

12-15-2020, 10:22 PM	#35189
klauswhereareyou Blu-ray Knight Member since:Mar 2012 4K collection:232 Blu-ray collection:2199 Digital collection:23 Prime collection:1	Kinda hoping for Return to Peyton Place since there's an HD master on Prime for rental/purchase.

12-15-2020, 10:54 PM	#35190
PegasusKenshiro Active Member Member since:Nov 2017 4K collection:268 Blu-ray collection:1336 DVD collection:124	Lets hope they get rid of that "limited to 3000" garbage, $30 for a bare bones release, and actually have other places sell their titles.

12-15-2020, 11:09 PM	#35191
ilenewoodsfan99 Power Member Member since:Jan 2019 Location:United States 4K collection:126 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:80	How did I not know about this!?

12-15-2020, 11:13 PM	#35192
Jobla Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2013 Location:Boulevard of Broken Dreams	So realistically, what studios are currently in play for possible TT releases? Sony/Columbia? Fox/Disney? (not likely at present) MGM? (used to have a deal, but I think they parted ways) I assume that Warner and Paramount are not on the table.

12-16-2020, 01:16 AM	#35200
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