Twilight Time Discussion Thread - Page 340 - Blu-ray Forum

wormraper · 10-11-2013, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by popeflick

I'm going to wager a guess and say he's tired of the amount of dicks who continually rip him and his efforts.

call the wahmbulance. if you can't have thick enough skin in a BUSINESS that you get pissy over people who don't like your product on a PUBLIC FORUM...then it's time to seriously get a grip. no wonder he's having business problems if he's reacting like this to a site that has MAJORLY boosted his business. I have no sympathy for them.

wormraper · 10-11-2013, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NoirFan

This is extremely childish and self-destructive behavior on their part, and will only hurt their bottom line in the long run. This (as far as I can tell) is the most popular Blu-ray review site/forum online, so they are just damaging themselves - numerous potential customers who may be considering purchases now will likely be far more reluctant to do so without access to an on-site review. Sure, there is plenty of TT-bashing here, of both the valid and the trollish variety, but is that really so different from the assumed behavior/responses at any other BD forum? If you charge a premium price and offer minimal, ported (or non-existent/incomplete) extras, you are going to receive criticism. That's just how it is. Yes, people do often post the same unconstructive complaints over and over, but is that any reason to pout and shout, 'No screeners for you! That'll teach you to be negative!' All that will do is give more ammo to those who already dislike the label's model, and in the process cut off a potentially sizable group of possible customers.

best post in the whole thread. it's a self fulfilling prophecy if they go down this route.

rock, stone · 10-11-2013, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Musicguy

Do the people who post here have any idea what Twilight Time has accomplished in a few short years with basically little financing, little staff and basically no production facilities of their own?

Do they realize Mr. Redman and his partners put up their own money to keep TT afloat?

So the discs are limited to 3,000 - there is a financial reason for that. It's available on the web and easy to understand and really beyond argument.

So the discs cost more - what - you want TT to give them away and not make any profit, let alone cover production costs? The majors can release older films with little profit potential because they release the latest blockbuster which will sell millions and cover the losses - TT doesn't have those blockbusters

Do they realize most of these titles would not be released on Blu-ray??? Look at the 100's of titles WB and Universal are sitting on, at least TT provides an outlet for SONY and Fox titles which the Major studios have no interest in releasing.

Mr Redman has explained the business model and the start up problems, and even addresses the limits on titles which are selling out.

Yet posters keep coming down on TT? Why, if they are informed? They should understand and be grateful we have a label such as Twilight Time.

TT is still a new company and working hard to solve the problems created by limited pressings - maybe Sony and Fox can help solve that.

Pricing is a matter of economics - if the company doesn't make money it goes bankrupt

people should stop complaining, read the facts and be grateful we are getting these releases at all

Who the hell is this addressed to?

All these issues have been quite rationally discussed lately (I know, I responded to one of your posts only a couple days ago).

You act like you hold some secret key to the obvious.

You might also look to see what other companies that aren't TT are able to do in the same marketplace. (This isn't even a dig at TT. Just look around to see what alternative business plans are also working) Hell, the Masters of Cinema line in the UK, which have released some extraordinary content only has 3 people working there, last time I heard.

rock, stone · 10-11-2013, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wormraper

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I'm betting TT has been getting enough hits online for not giving a premium restoration with their premium pricing in the online reviews and are just trying to slip their Image and Mill creek level stuff through without too much scrutiny.

I strongly, strongly doubt this is the case. TT doesn't touch the restorations they release and there is no reason to expect a downturn in quality. After all, the only review copies affected by this are Blu-ray.com's.

The rest of the internet will still get their sweet, free discs...

wormraper · 10-11-2013, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rock, stone

I strongly, strongly doubt this is the case. TT doesn't touch the restorations they release and there is no reason to expect a downturn in quality. After all, the only review copies affected by this are Blu-ray.com's.

The rest of the internet will still get their sweet, free discs...

oh I know that. but I'm saying people expect a premium product for a premium price. a LOT of places online are realizing they are no better than Mill creek or Image entertainment and the lashback has been impressive. here's it's been one of the most vocal so redman and crew are lashing back and are just giving review copies to the sites who are too terrified of losing business and will act as their shills

lemonski · 10-11-2013, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wormraper

oh I know that. but I'm saying people expect a premium product for a premium price. a LOT of places online are realizing they are no better than Mill creek or Image entertainment and the lashback has been impressive. here's it's been one of the most vocal so redman and crew are lashing back and are just giving review copies to the sites who are too terrified of losing business and will act as their shills

Got any more unsubstantiated speculation and wild conspiracy theories to share? We've had 5 posts full so far, you're doing well.

wormraper · 10-11-2013, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lemonski

Got any more unsubstantiated speculation and wild conspiracy theories to share? We've had 5 posts full so far, you're doing well.

lol, you mean like anything you spout as well? I mean unless you're IN their camp there's nothing any of us can do BUT speculate. Anyone who is not personally involved with TT and Nick Redman is pretty much speculating.. that's what 99% of what most people CAN do in a situation like this. I'd like to see your wonderful sources for making your ideas worth anything more than any of ours? I mean, if you want to do anything besides baiting

and the last part is NOT unheard of. I work as a journalist and film reviewer elsewhere.. this type of stuff happens all the time. I've gotten pressure from marketing companies and studios to try and get us to do more positive reviews as well. if you think it doesn't happen then ... nothing more I can say.

wormraper · 10-11-2013, 07:36 AM

actually most of the "melodrama" is perfectly reasonable. No one's asking to go out and shoot Redman and crew with sniper rifles, or get a law suit against them (just one or two posts). most of the people are going for extremely logical things like unstickying the thread and ceasing promotion for them. That's one of the sanest business movies to do. if a company that is a sponsor or that you have been sponsoring slaps you in the face (and I'm inclined to believe JMK) then what are you going to do? drop them like a stone. simple business tactics

lemonski · 10-11-2013, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wormraper

lol, you mean like anything you spout as well? I mean unless you're IN their camp there's nothing any of us can do BUT speculate. Anyone who is not personally involved with TT and Nick Redman is pretty much speculating.. that's what 99% of what most people CAN do in a situation like this. I'd like to see your wonderful sources for making your ideas worth anything more than any of ours? I mean, if you want to do anything besides baiting

I have no sources at all, and I'm sure I have made speculative statements about TT in the past. I don't claim that anything I say has any more validity than anyone else here. You can't though, expect to have unfettered free speech about Redman's company without consequence. In one post you've flat out accused him of having business problems. It may be a over-reaction on his part, but take a look at your own behavior and consider whether you contributed to it (not saying you're the only one). It's all very well to say he shouldn't be so thin skinned, but why should he put up with all sorts of unfounded accusations and complaints about his business? I don't blame him running for the hills.

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Originally Posted by wormraper

and the last part is NOT unheard of. I work as a journalist and film reviewer elsewhere.. this type of stuff happens all the time. I've gotten pressure from marketing companies and studios to try and get us to do more positive reviews as well. if you think it doesn't happen then ... nothing more I can say.

Oh sure, I am under no illusions about that. But if blu-ray.com as a site wants to be a promoter of free speech and independent reviews, then accepting free screeners IMO is a conflict of interest anyway. Pay for them like the general public, then no-one can accuse you of shill reviews, and let the message boards say what they will. Really, $35 is a small price for integrity.

Akijama · 10-11-2013, 08:12 AM

BOOOOOOOM!!

KHARTOUM (1966) BLU-RAY - Jan 21st

ZULU (1963) BLU-RAY - Jan 22nd

TITUS (1999) BLU-RAY - Jan 21st

MAN IN THE DARK (1953) 3D - Jan 21st

CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS (1989) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THE FRONT (1975) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT (1974) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THE BLUE MAX (1966) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THE EDDY DUCHIN STORY (1956) - Feb 11th

wormraper · 10-11-2013, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lemonski

I have no sources at all, and I'm sure I have made speculative statements about TT in the past. I don't claim that anything I say has any more validity than anyone else here. You can't though, expect to have unfettered free speech about Redman's company without consequence. In one post you've flat out accused him of having business problems. It may be a over-reaction on his part, but take a look at your own behavior and consider whether you contributed to it (not saying you're the only one). It's all very well to say he shouldn't be so thin skinned, but why should he put up with all sorts of unfounded accusations and complaints about his business? I don't blame him running for the hills.

Oh sure, I am under no illusions about that. But if blu-ray.com as a site wants to be a promoter of free speech and independent reviews, then accepting free screeners IMO is a conflict of interest anyway. Pay for them like the general public, then no-one can accuse you of shill reviews, and let the message boards say what they will. Really, $35 is a small price for integrity.

lol, free screeners are part of the studios marketing budget. without those copies it becomes extremely difficult to get your reviews out early and gain market share. this site is a business, plain and simple, the forums are a place for allowing users to voice off. nothing more and the users aren't a part of the business. stop screeners completely on this site and you will see the review section go completely to hell. it's a statistical fact that those who get their reviews out early gain the most traffic, and without those reviews and sponsors the site will collapse. again ...business, not a charity.

and as for Nick "running for the hills" again .. poor business. the strong survive in business, the weak are crushed and kicked to the side. if he can't take the heat he has no business being a business. If you cant' keep your personal life out of your business then I have no sympathy, business is a brutal game of survival of the fittest, not a pouting match. I wouldn't be IN business like I am if I went and cried in a corner every time someone said something bad about my company. You smile and shake the hands of the people you most want to beat into the ground because you know they are a beneficial to your bottom line

Skorpius · 10-11-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Akijama

BOOOOOOOM!!

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lemonski · 10-11-2013, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wormraper

lol, free screeners are part of the studios marketing budget. without those copies it becomes extremely difficult to get your reviews out early and gain market share. this site is a business, plain and simple, the forums are a place for allowing users to voice off. nothing more and the users aren't a part of the business.

You must be joking. The users are the customers of the business. No users, no market share. If you offer a forum as an incentive for users (customers) then what they say in the forum has a direct reflection on the business as a whole. If everyone started spreading Nazi propaganda on the forums, blu-ray.com wouldn't be in "business" with their advertisers for very long. What they allow to be said is ultimately up to them.

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Originally Posted by wormraper

and as for Nick "running for the hills" again .. poor business. the strong survive in business, the weak are crushed and kicked to the side. if he can't take the heat he has no business being a business. If you cant' keep your personal life out of your business then I have no sympathy, business is a brutal game of survival of the fittest, not a pouting match. I wouldn't be IN business like I am if I went and cried in a corner every time someone said something bad about my company. You smile and shake the hands of the people you most want to beat into the ground because you know they are a beneficial to your bottom line

In that case, you'll be quite happy then that action=consequence. Business is brutal, take your medicine and no blu-ray screeners for you.

Anyway, by the look of TT's new release list, they're doing quite well, thank you very much. Doesn't look like his business is "having problems". Maybe you could ask him for a few tips LOL

wormraper · 10-11-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lemonski

You must be joking. The users are the customers of the business. No users, no market share. If you have a forum as an incentive for users (customers) then what they say in the forum has a direct reflection on the business as a whole. If everyone started spreading Nazi propaganda on the forums, blu-ray.com wouldn't be in "business" with their advertisers for very long. What they allow to be said is ultimately up to them.

In that case, you'll be quite happy then that action=consequence. Business is brutal, take your medicine and no blu-ray screeners for you.

Anyway, by the look of TT's new release list, they're doing quite well, thank you very much. Doesn't look like his business is "having problems". Maybe you could ask him for a few tips LOL

ummm, that's correct. the users are customers of the site. NOT TT. the business relationship is between the blu-ray.com staff and owners and TT. not between the Br.com USERS and TT in regards to their opinions. THAT's what I'm getting at. Nick shouldn't have any beef with the users, since they're not on HIS forums for his business. they're just the general public to him. the ones he should be striving to please

and yes, I'm actually quite pleased. I truly would be happy to see TT go into the twilight and with their major promoter gone I'll be happy to see them do just that now.

and I don't need tips from Nick. barely keeping my lights on (read the interviews) is not something my business suffers from.

rock, stone · 10-11-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Akijama

BOOOOOOOM!!

KHARTOUM (1966) BLU-RAY - Jan 21st

ZULU (1963) BLU-RAY - Jan 22nd

TITUS (1999) BLU-RAY - Jan 21st

MAN IN THE DARK (1953) 3D - Jan 21st

CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS (1989) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THE FRONT (1975) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT (1974) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THE BLUE MAX (1966) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THE EDDY DUCHIN STORY (1956) - Feb 11th

Holy Crap.

Skorpius · 10-11-2013, 08:39 AM

I'll be really curious about Zulu since I picked up the UK release a while back.

BJQ1972 · 10-11-2013, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Akijama

BOOOOOOOM!!

KHARTOUM (1966) BLU-RAY - Jan 21st

ZULU (1963) BLU-RAY - Jan 22nd

TITUS (1999) BLU-RAY - Jan 21st

MAN IN THE DARK (1953) 3D - Jan 21st

CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS (1989) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THE FRONT (1975) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT (1974) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THE BLUE MAX (1966) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th

THE EDDY DUCHIN STORY (1956) - Feb 11th

I don't think my wallet can handle their increased output. A fantastic set of releases.

grrrarg · 10-11-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Akijama

BOOOOOOOM!!

[Show spoiler]

Thanks for the list!

Nothing that overly interests me personally so my wallet will be happy. Man In the Dark and Thunderbolt and Lightfoot both look interesting and would be possible purchases down the road, but don't excite me enough to blind buy

rock, stone · 10-11-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Skorpius

I'll be really curious about Zulu since I picked up the UK release a while back.

Wasn't there also a weird US release a year ago from some odd company only selling on Amazon? No, not TT.

I'm also very curious about the Zulu transfer. I have the UK disc and like the movie, but probably not enough to shell out 3 times what I paid the first time, even for lossless and the possibility of a DNRless version.

Skorpius · 10-11-2013, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rock, stone

Wasn't there also a weird US release a year ago from some odd company only selling on Amazon? No, not TT.

Yeah, that was some weird bootleg.

10-11-2013, 07:36 AM	#6788
wormraper Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Tucson Arizona 4K collection:962 Blu-ray collection:5290 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:571	actually most of the "melodrama" is perfectly reasonable. No one's asking to go out and shoot Redman and crew with sniper rifles, or get a law suit against them (just one or two posts). most of the people are going for extremely logical things like unstickying the thread and ceasing promotion for them. That's one of the sanest business movies to do. if a company that is a sponsor or that you have been sponsoring slaps you in the face (and I'm inclined to believe JMK) then what are you going to do? drop them like a stone. simple business tactics

10-11-2013, 08:12 AM	#6790
Akijama Banned Top contributor Member since:Oct 2011	BOOOOOOOM!! KHARTOUM (1966) BLU-RAY - Jan 21st ZULU (1963) BLU-RAY - Jan 22nd TITUS (1999) BLU-RAY - Jan 21st MAN IN THE DARK (1953) 3D - Jan 21st CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS (1989) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th THE FRONT (1975) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT (1974) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th THE BLUE MAX (1966) BLU-RAY - Feb 11th THE EDDY DUCHIN STORY (1956) - Feb 11th

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