Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[HyperRealist]

Originally Posted by tama

I think I have an idea who that former business partner may be. Although in the past he has posted to have no ties or relations to TT other than being a overly enthusiastic fan of TT only.

Bruce Kimmel aka whitesheik

[charlieray1]

Sorry if this has been asked before -- is there any kind of discount available from Twilight Time? Free shipping code, etc? I really want to buy "The Other" but $35 is just more than I can afford for one film. Does any retailer discount them at all?

Thanks!

[tama]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Bruce Kimmel aka whitesheik

Really??? Actually I had someone else in mind lol. oh well

[HyperRealist]

Originally Posted by tama

Really??? Actually I had someone else in mind lol. oh well

nah ROclockCK is just a fan.

[Sporkies]

Originally Posted by JMK

Mr. Redman can attempt to spin this any way he likes. I have every email he's ever sent to me, including the last one where he clearly stated he would no longer provide screeners due to the negative posts on the Twilight Time thread (he specifically referred to an "anti-TT agenda" on the part of the site with regard to the posters "officially" part of the site, per my first post this morning). To be fair, he also said that no news coverage had been posted, but that said, he failed to realize he had never sent PR material to our news team. He also mentioned that we have prevented pro-TT people from posting, which is manifestly not the case as even a cursory reading of this thread (including tons of posts today) more than proves. I have Moderator status here and can see every post that has been moderated, which are solely *negative* posts. Mr. Redman may be referring to his former business partner at a record label, who was in fact suspended here, but for reasons that had nothing to do with TT. According to the last email I received from Mr. Redman, he is under the impression that he and TT are treated "drastically different" here than other boutique labels. I'd refer him to any given Shout! thread if he thinks TT is the only label feeling the wrath of various fans.

There is a mod who posts quite often and loudly in this thread about his displeasure with TT. He also posts about purchasing their discs anyway, which I am always amused by as he clearly has an agenda that causes him to lash out unprovoked at the company. Having said all of that, I think this is a very disappointing decision by Redman. I and countless others would have never even known about his label and its releases if not for this forum, and new people find out about it daily from this site (as is evidenced by the number of question regarding purchasing that pop up over and over). Furthermore, this site has been quite generous with how prominently it has promotes the label, regardless of any mod with an axe to grind. If Nick thinks otherwise, he is completely deluding himself. The reviews have generally been glowing, so to remove those from the site does nothing but shoot himself and his sales in the foot - not a smart idea given how slow they have been the past two months. I'm going to have to give some thought to whether I can continue supporting a company that shows its ass so badly.

[fdm]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

I championed his efforts until he cut off the site responsible for most of his sales.

Proof?

[baheidstu]

Well if Nick Redman was upset about how people talked about TT before, he'll be apoplectic now! If what's been said is true it really causes me to shake my head. Paying customers have a right to offer criticism. I wonder what the next step would be? Identifying people's identities on the forum and refusing to sell to those who say bad things? "No blu for you!" That being said, there's a touch of "he said, she said" about this.

[fdm]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

nah ROclockCK is just a fan.

Was wondering where he was through the last week or two's worth of posts... Looks like he hasn't posted since late August. Hope he made it to work that day.

(Were I a conspiracy theorist I would wonder when those review copies stopped... just kidding.)

[fdm]

Anyway, all of this matters zero to me. I'll keep buying if it's something I want, and if I can keep affording to do so. Can't so much anymore, so will be a little more selective. Hopefully this thread will keep me on my toes about what's coming out and when.

[krasnoludek]

Originally Posted by NoirFan

This is extremely childish and self-destructive behavior on their part, and will only hurt their bottom line in the long run. This (as far as I can tell) is the most popular Blu-ray review site/forum online, so they are just damaging themselves - numerous potential customers who may be considering purchases now will likely be far more reluctant to do so without access to an on-site review. Sure, there is plenty of TT-bashing here, of both the valid and the trollish variety, but is that really so different from the assumed behavior/responses at any other BD forum? If you charge a premium price and offer minimal, ported (or non-existent/incomplete) extras, you are going to receive criticism. That's just how it is. Yes, people do often post the same unconstructive complaints over and over, but is that any reason to pout and shout, 'No screeners for you! That'll teach you to be negative!' All that will do is give more ammo to those who already dislike the label's model, and in the process cut off a potentially sizable group of possible customers.

I agree with this entirely. I frankly would have never heard of TT if it weren't for this site. It's through this site that I found out The Big Heat had been released, and that became my first TT purchase. I didn't buy anything else from them for another half a year because they were either titles I hadn't heard of or titles I didn't care about (to think, I turned buying Fright Night because I didn't like the movie -- I never suspected it would be worth so much now). But the positive reviews here, especially of Rapture and The Egyptian had me very intrigued. So when the latter was starting to go down in numbers, I bit. I've now purchased 18 TT titles in total (and will buy another batch with Oliver!). All but 4 of them were blind buys, which is saying a lot since that price point does give me pause. But because of the strong reviews on this site, I felt confident to buy and even the ones I've been lukewarm to (Bye Bye Birdie and Our Man Flint) have been thoroughly impressive from the technical side. Without reviews, I'd probably tip back over to not blind buying so much, especially if I've never heard of a title. This seems like a very foolish business decision based on an inaccurate perception of the influence of the forums and news item comments.

[The Great Owl]

So far, I've purchased The Big Heat, Experiment in Terror, Rapture, The Driver, Leave Her to Heaven, and Drums Along the Mohawk.

There's nothing else that I'm really dying to have at the moment, but I will not hesitate for a second to buy more Twilight Time Blu-rays if they continue to release movies that I want to own. If I want a movie, then I will get my movie, regardless of peripheral issues. What's mine is mine.

[LucasM2012]

Originally Posted by krasnoludek

This seems like a very foolish business decision based on an inaccurate perception of the influence of the forums and news item comments.

I agree with this. I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of those visiting Blu-ray.com for reviews of blu-rays never set foot into the forum area. To decrease visibility in the review area because of the behavior of a few in an area of the forum that is seen by what is likely a very small minority of site visitors seems shortsighted.

[Anybody have exact numbers of those visiting the main site and the numbers posting in the forums to see if my suspicion is true?]

[SammymeBlu]

Looking forward to picking up both Sinbad movies in December.

Now,if they would only give us an official release date of The Blob (1988)

[grape_jelly]

A real shame to hear the news, like others have said, I wouldn't have even heard of Twilight Time without blu-ray.com.

With that being said, hopefully my copies of Mindwarp and The Other ship today.

[Musicguy]

Do the people who post here have any idea what Twilight Time has accomplished in a few short years with basically little financing, little staff and basically no production facilities of their own?

Do they realize Mr. Redman and his partners put up their own money to keep TT afloat?

So the discs are limited to 3,000 - there is a financial reason for that. It's available on the web and easy to understand and really beyond argument.

So the discs cost more - what - you want TT to give them away and not make any profit, let alone cover production costs? The majors can release older films with little profit potential because they release the latest blockbuster which will sell millions and cover the losses - TT doesn't have those blockbusters

Do they realize most of these titles would not be released on Blu-ray??? Look at the 100's of titles WB and Universal are sitting on, at least TT provides an outlet for SONY and Fox titles which the Major studios have no interest in releasing.

Mr Redman has explained the business model and the start up problems, and even addresses the limits on titles which are selling out.

Yet posters keep coming down on TT? Why, if they are informed? They should understand and be grateful we have a label such as Twilight Time.

TT is still a new company and working hard to solve the problems created by limited pressings - maybe Sony and Fox can help solve that.

Pricing is a matter of economics - if the company doesn't make money it goes bankrupt

people should stop complaining, read the facts and be grateful we are getting these releases at all

[HyperRealist]

Originally Posted by Musicguy

Do the people who post here have any idea what Twilight Time has accomplished in a few short years with basically little financing, little staff and basically no production facilities of their own?

Do they realize Mr. Redman and his partners put up their own money to keep TT afloat?

So the discs are limited to 3,000 - there is a financial reason for that. It's available on the web and easy to understand and really beyond argument.

So the discs cost more - what - you want TT to give them away and not make any profit, let alone cover production costs?

Do they realize most of these titles would not be released on Blu-ray??? Look at the 100's of titles WB and Universal are sitting on, at least TT provides an outlet for SONY and Fox titles which the Major studios have no interest in releasing.

Mr Redman has explained the business model and the start up problems, and even addresses the limits on titles which are selling out.

Yet posters keep coming down on TT? Why, if they are informed? They should understand and be grateful we have a label such as Twilight Time.

TT is still a new company and working hard to solve the problems created by limited pressings - maybe Sony and Fox can help solve that.

Pricing is a matter of economics - if the company doesn't make money it goes bankrupt

people should stop complaining, read the facts and be grateful we are getting these releases at all

Yeah nobody is *****ing about those things at the moment. The hate is because TT quit sending screeners to Blu-ray.com.

[Musicguy]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Yeah nobody is *****ing about those things at the moment. The hate is because TT quit sending screeners to Blu-ray.com.

yeah, you just don't get it

[Torrente]

Originally Posted by tenia

The stupidest thing is that Jeffrey's review for The Other is now up, so it's not like it's going to prevent anything.
It just look like a very childish move to prevent nothing.
"Oh, they are mean to me there." Boo ooo ooo.

Do you imagine if JS from Gaumont had reacted like that on our french DVDClassik forum about our negative comments on the heavy DNR they applied on many of their releases last year??
What I read here on this thread is really soft comparing to what we could read on DVDClassik...

One bashing comment for hundreds of highly positive comments, and they make a fuss about it.
Very sad, and even if I'm not aware of all the true reasons of this strange move on their part, it's just a bad decision.

It won't prevent me from buying most of their interesting releases, but it's just sad.
Hope they'll keep up their serious work 'though...

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Musicguy

Do the people who post here have any idea what Twilight Time has accomplished in a few short years with basically little financing, little staff and basically no production facilities of their own?

Do they realize Mr. Redman and his partners put up their own money to keep TT afloat?

So the discs are limited to 3,000 - there is a financial reason for that. It's available on the web and easy to understand and really beyond argument.

So the discs cost more - what - you want TT to give them away and not make any profit, let alone cover production costs? The majors can release older films with little profit potential because they release the latest blockbuster which will sell millions and cover the losses - TT doesn't have those blockbusters

Do they realize most of these titles would not be released on Blu-ray??? Look at the 100's of titles WB and Universal are sitting on, at least TT provides an outlet for SONY and Fox titles which the Major studios have no interest in releasing.

Mr Redman has explained the business model and the start up problems, and even addresses the limits on titles which are selling out.

Yet posters keep coming down on TT? Why, if they are informed? They should understand and be grateful we have a label such as Twilight Time.

TT is still a new company and working hard to solve the problems created by limited pressings - maybe Sony and Fox can help solve that.

Pricing is a matter of economics - if the company doesn't make money it goes bankrupt

people should stop complaining, read the facts and be grateful we are getting these releases at all

and most of Redman's whining and moaning about the market has been debunked here as well. TT tried something and are having to grab titles that should be going to other studios and holding them hostage with their business model. had they stuck to their original method of business then they would be OUT of business. that's why redman and crew have had to try and cannibalize the popular catalog business to stay afloat. and not sending out screeners pretty much sinks the nail in the coffin, usually studios don't send out screeners when they they know the quality is suspect or the movie is crap. I'm betting TT has been getting enough hits online for not giving a premium restoration with their premium pricing in the online reviews and are just trying to slip their Image and Mill creek level stuff through without too much scrutiny.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Bruce Kimmel aka whitesheik

yup, that was the first person that came to mind. so drastically out of touch he couldn't even post in other sections of the forum without getting murdered