Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[FrankFlynn26]

Yes, I meant The Big Heat. I think I may need some sleep. Also, I'm thinking NOTLD probably has the new 4k remaster.

[ultlife2013]

Originally Posted by FrankFlynn26

Yes, I meant The Big Heat. I think I may need some sleep. Also, I'm thinking NOTLD probably has the new 4k remaster.

That would be awesome news.

[Tom Monahan]

I have a sealed Wild At Heart TT for sale if anyone is interested. Not looking to gouge, just to make my money back.

Tom

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by Scooter1836

Well I think all collector's are interested in deals and will post, and this site attracts collectors and non collectors.

But collectors do know that deals are few and far between with some distributors like TT, Criterion, Olive and others. So with a lot of those the titles are going to cost. But when a title is being distributed by one of the more "standard" distributors collectors know the prices will drop. So unless that collector wants it now, then yes even the collector will wait for the price to drop.

So I think your generalization is somewhat valid. But not completely given the broad user base. Certainly the people willing to pay premium prices for catalog titles is a niche market within the user base. But there are 54735+ members of this site. And the number 54735 is just the number that post their Blu-ray collections (https://www.blu-ray.com/community/?a...topcollections) . I would assume there are many that do not so that number is larger.

I think any number or percentage of how many TT titles are purchased by people on this sit would just be pure speculation on anyone's part (including my opinion)

I think he was just making a facetious comment based on the fact that people are always talking about buying when a title drops. For example, if I were to post that a title has dropped down to $10, someone will inevitably pipe in saying they won't buy it until it hits $5 - as if that's a comment that anyone actually cares about.

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

Why is TT making people sit around and guess which titles it has relicensed and will be re-releasing? The company is essentially saying, "Hey, we know a handful of our out-of-print titles are really popular, and we're re-releasing some of them. What's that? You want to know which ones? Well, too bad. We'll tell you later."

It doesn't even make any sense from a business perspective, because the earlier TT tells fans who want the out-of-print titles which ones will be re-released, the more customers the company saves for itself, because those same fans will wait to buy the title(s) at standard pricing instead of shelling out extra to get it/them from a third-party seller.

Maybe they are still working out the deal, maybe they just want to build a little bit of tension, who knows. Scream Factory is hinting all the time about titles they have in the works. I mean, really, does EVERYTHING have to be a criticism about TT? Can't you just be hopeful that perhaps a title or two that you, or somebody else, missed out on will become available again?

Originally Posted by dwk

Boy, that is kind of an FU to the people that have purchased these sold out titles, especially the one that is getting a new 4K restoration.

It happens with every company. Was it an FU by Criterion to re-release Salo after people would pay $300 for the old DVD ten years ago? If somebody purchased one of the OOP titles at an inflated price, then that's their choice to make.

[ultlife2013]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

I think he was just making a facetious comment based on the fact that people are always talking about buying when a title drops. For example, if I were to post that a title has dropped down to $10, someone will inevitably pipe in saying they won't buy it until it hits $5 - as if that's a comment that anyone actually cares about.







Maybe they are still working out the deal, maybe they just want to build a little bit of tension, who knows. Scream Factory is hinting all the time about titles they have in the works. I mean, really, does EVERYTHING have to be a criticism about TT? Can't you just be hopeful that perhaps a title or two that you, or somebody else, missed out on will become available again?







It happens with every company. Was it an FU by Criterion to re-release Salo after people would pay $300 for the old DVD ten years ago? If somebody purchased one of the OOP titles at an inflated price, then that's their choice to make.

Good points, I agree with you.

[noirjunkie]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Maybe they are still working out the deal, maybe they just want to build a little bit of tension, who knows. Scream Factory is hinting all the time about titles they have in the works. I mean, really, does EVERYTHING have to be a criticism about TT? Can't you just be hopeful that perhaps a title or two that you, or somebody else, missed out on will become available again?

TT said the relicensing is done, so the "deal" is apparently worked out.

As for everything about TT being a criticism, I'm not a TT hater. In fact, I appreciate a lot of the work the company is doing. I own many TT titles and am happy with the effort put into them. So I don't want to be lumped in with the folks who just want to complain about the company's prices, the limited edition policy, etc. I also appreciate the fact that the re-releases will have new content/special features and, at least in one case, a new 4K transfer. I was only critical on this one particular point.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

I was only critical on this one particular point.

Is it really that much different than Criterion sending out monthly newsletters, each with a cartoon that represents an upcoming title, making you try and figure out what that title is? Or their annual cartoon, with several graphic clues about what they're working on?

[oildude]

I didn't even consider NOTLD 90 for re-release in October 2015 in my post above, not after the dust up over the changed color from the DVD in the original TT release, which is why I guessed Steel Magnolias instead. Not sure Sony would even bother with a 4K remaster of NOTLD 90.

Lol.....what if they gave it a 4K remaster with the same blue tint?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Maybe they are still working out the deal, maybe they just want to build a little bit of tension, who knows. Scream Factory is hinting all the time about titles they have in the works. I mean, really, does EVERYTHING have to be a criticism about TT? Can't you just be hopeful that perhaps a title or two that you, or somebody else, missed out on will become available again?

If anything, the idea that no "permanent" sold-out title is ever permanently gone may become some indicator that, hmm, maybe it isn't "Twilight time" for the collector market after all, and maybe the company can rediscover its own strategy for the catalog-niche audience.
I'm just glad not to have to go to eBay for a disk that should be back on the shelf anyway.

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Sounds like they're trying to get those that purchased the original release to upgrade to the new edition. They're starting to sound a bit like Warner.

It does and the problem is to buy the same movie again means 30.00 for the same title with new features and 4K PQ... If they are the genre titles that I think they are that could be 120.00 for reissued upgraded movies if I chose to buy them. Im pretty sure Fright Night are Christine two of them.. the others could be Mysterious Island, The Big Heat or Night of the Living Dead...

[MifuneFan]

Oh man, new extras, and/or new transfers for these re-releases? Twilight Time really has made an artform out of pissing off people.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Oh man, new extras, and/or new transfers for these re-releases? Twilight Time really has made an artform out of pissing off people.

OR, they since found out that people are actually buying them after all. (Which they certainly didn't believe when they started out, and issued Fright Night the first time.)
Which meant that reissues are now going to be "collector" editions in more than just name/availability only, and they actually have time and sales justifications to be spending money on something besides just the print. And which, yes, IS rather like Warner when they started out, on both DVD and Blu. (And TT never even used cheap cardboard cases!)

Yeah, give 'em time. They're learning what we know.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Oh man, new extras, and/or new transfers for these re-releases? Twilight Time really has made an artform out of pissing off people.

Only if you insist on being pissed off because a company upgrades a title. Most labels, even Criterion, have reissued titles with better transfers and more features. It's the business.

Christ, TT just can't win. If they don't reissue an OOP title, consumers are pissed. If they reissue a title with exactly the same transfer and extras, people will be pissed because they aren't taking the opportunity to put out a better product. If they reissue a title with a better transfer and more extras, people will be pissed because they feel they got rooked by not getting the better product in the first place.

[MifuneFan]

The fact that people get pissed off no matter what makes it an artform

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by jayembee

Only if you insist on being pissed off because a company upgrades a title. Most labels, even Criterion, have reissued titles with better transfers and more features. It's the business.

Also--ahem, like Criterion--most people DIDN'T rush out and pay huge parts of their disposable income to buy the movie on opening week for the sake of the studio issuing it. Maybe some were late, maybe some were indecisive (even I'm thinking I shoulda bought Rollerball and Golden Voyage when I had the chance... ), and maybe some, gasp, couldn't afford it for the three or so months the presales had sold out.
That's why you sell things AGAIN, if you're able to, have the license, and want a particular title to continue earning its keep. If they go off shelves, you have to come up with a new fresh reason to sell them again, but that is no way throwing down a gauntlet to the people who bought the earlier edition, or "fooling" them by "holding back" extras they probably didn't have or see the value of at the time.

I'm one of the above. I didn't get to buy Mysterious Island or Bye Bye Birdie. If they come back, I might get them, but I'm not collaborating in any vile moneymaking scheme to deprive poor mistreated earlier TT buyers out of their impulsive dollars.

[oildude]

Originally Posted by EricJ

I'm one of the above. I didn't get to buy Mysterious Island or Bye Bye Birdie. If they come back, I might get them, but I'm not collaborating in any vile moneymaking scheme to deprive poor mistreated earlier TT buyers out of their impulsive dollars.

You can impulsively buy Bye-Bye Birdie right now, since it is still available.

Check the OP....it is up to date on what has sold out.

[nitin]

I was under the impression that all their Sony licensed titles were from 4k remasters? A lot definitely look like they are. If that is correct, then the 4k remastered title is likely to be from Fox/MGM I would have thought?

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by EricJ

If anything, the idea that no "permanent" sold-out title is ever permanently gone may become some indicator that, hmm, maybe it isn't "Twilight time" for the collector market after all, and maybe the company can rediscover its own strategy for the catalog-niche audience.
I'm just glad not to have to go to eBay for a disk that should be back on the shelf anyway.

Things always become available. Look at Lost Horizon. For years it was never available in any form. Then it's released by Sony on MOD DVD. A couple of years later Twilight Time brings it out on DVD. I don't really understand who is impatient enough to pay hundreds of dollars for a frigging movie. I mean, if you like a movie THAT much to pay so much money, why weren't you all over that like a dirty shirt when it was first released? And if it's not your absolute, most favourite movie ever, why would you pay that much for it?

Originally Posted by jayembee

Only if you insist on being pissed off because a company upgrades a title. Most labels, even Criterion, have reissued titles with better transfers and more features. It's the business.

Christ, TT just can't win. If they don't reissue an OOP title, consumers are pissed. If they reissue a title with exactly the same transfer and extras, people will be pissed because they aren't taking the opportunity to put out a better product. If they reissue a title with a better transfer and more extras, people will be pissed because they feel they got rooked by not getting the better product in the first place.

The thing we have to remember about Twilight Time is they are a fairly new company. They are evolving as they learn how things work. I honestly believe they are acting in good faith in everything they do but have miscalculated a few things along the way. Fair enough, but it's good to see that they are actually learning from some of those past mistakes by increasing print runs on hotly anticipated titles (i.e. the Blob) and re-releasing popular sold out titles.

[dwk]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

It happens with every company. Was it an FU by Criterion to re-release Salo after people would pay $300 for the old DVD ten years ago? If somebody purchased one of the OOP titles at an inflated price, then that's their choice to make.

First, I wasn't talking about people that over payed and bought copies on the secondary market. (Salo was OOP for almost 10 years before they re-issued it, and that first DVD had the lowest print run of any Criterion DVD, which is why it commanded such high prices on the secondary market)

Second, it isn't the same situation. TT's limited edition model forces customers to buy ASAP or risk not getting a title (Criterion's model does not) and it is total dick move to screw the people that bought the first limited edition release.

I'm happy that some of these titles are going to get re-released, but the new extras/transfer is TT trying to sell these to the same people that already bought them the first time.

[noirjunkie]

Originally Posted by jayembee

Is it really that much different than Criterion sending out monthly newsletters, each with a cartoon that represents an upcoming title, making you try and figure out what that title is? Or their annual cartoon, with several graphic clues about what they're working on?

Yes, it is, because those cartoons/hints are referencing, by and large, first-time releases. The TT situation re-release situation is unique due to the company's limited-edition model and subsequent hyperinflated prices for out-of-print editions.

Again, I'm not a TT hater. I appreciate the vast majority of what the company is doing. You seem to want to defend the company against any and all criticism, but sometimes, criticism of a company's practices is valid. Yes, message boards are filled with complaints, many of them spurious. But that shouldn't invalidate all criticism. Each criticism needs to be judged according to its own merits.