Twilight Time Discussion Thread - Page 795 - Blu-ray Forum

GenPion · 03-22-2015, 06:18 PM

Bootleg? They probably licensed the same materials from the studio themselves AFTER Twilight Time did the legwork to get the films released in HD on Blu-ray in the first place.

I think people should be more aware of how great Twilight Time is for helping to bring these films to Blu-ray (rather than simply complain and point to cheaper imports on a handful of occasions), but I also don't think you're right about that company. I seriously doubt it is a company releasing bootleg Blu-ray's or some-such.

It's more a case of the company "following the leader" if you ask me (the leader being Twilight Time for making the initiative that got the studio to release said HD materials).

EDIT: Never mind. I read your other posts on the topic. Wow. Actually sounds like they could be bootlegs... am really surprised by this... but if they are all BD-R and the packaging doesn't notate licensing from Sony or other film studios and the discs are near-ports for the most part, I'd guess you could be correct. (Most of the time it is just a case of foreign companies licensing materials from the same studio and releasing it themselves.)

MifuneFan · 03-22-2015, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GenPion

Bootleg? They probably licensed the same materials from the studio themselves AFTER Twilight Time did the legwork to get the films released in HD on Blu-ray in the first place.

I think people should be more aware of how great Twilight Time is for helping to bring these films to Blu-ray (rather than simply complain and point to cheaper imports on a handful of occasions), but I also don't think you're right about that company. I seriously doubt it is a company releasing bootleg Blu-ray's or some-such.

It's more a case of the company "following the leader" if you ask me (the leader being Twilight Time for making the initiative that got the studio to release said HD materials).

Did you see the graphs? If you know anything about encoding, there is no way in hell they're going to get identical bitrates as the TT discs if they were simply licensng the same masters. There would be some fluctuations. I don't see why people have a hard time with this. Also, if they got licensing from Sony, it would say Sony on the back. This is besides the fact that Sony is hardly the studio to be licensing out their releases in Europe..

And again, straight from TT:

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Originally Posted by Twilight Time

It has been confirmed by all the studios that the Resen releases are unlicensed and therefore should be considered pirated materials. All of the studios do their best to contain piracy but it is epidemic and incredibly difficult to confront and enforce. Obviously collectors are at liberty to purchase these items, and it is a matter of personal conscience and probity. However, buying into this stuff only adds fuel to the studios' inherent decision-making to back away from catalogue as each every one of these sales likely deters a legitimate release.

filmmusic · 03-22-2015, 06:27 PM

So, if the title isn't re-released by TT, what does anyone suggest to someone who can't pay hundreds of dollars for it?

And I don't understand something:
Why this Spanish company isn't being sued to stop releasing these illegal Blurays?

GenPion · 03-22-2015, 06:29 PM

Pay $50 or so on eBay? It's not hundreds of dollars...

filmmusic · 03-22-2015, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GenPion

Pay $50 or so on eBay? It's not hundreds of dollars...

Hmmm..
The only copy I can find is this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mysterious-I...item2a4dbbc13d

which goes up to approx. $187 with shipping and import charges.

I don't think anyone would sell for $50.

GenPion · 03-22-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by filmmusic

Hmmm..
The only copy I can find is this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mysterious-I...item2a4dbbc13d

I don't think anyone would sell for $50.

I thought they were talking about Journey to the Center of the Earth.

Even if that's the title they want, $130 isn't "hundreds of dollars" but I can see why that is a lot more frustrating.

rdodolak · 03-22-2015, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by filmmusic

So, if the title isn't re-released by TT, what does anyone suggest to someone who can't pay hundreds of dollars for it?

And I don't understand something:
Why this Spanish company isn't being sued to stop releasing these illegal Blurays?

Good question, but no one has been able to answer that question. The other possibility is that Resen licensed the titles from Sony but then reused TT's encode. In which case, this wouldn't be a Sony issue but a TT one. It would be unlikely that TT would spend the funds required to go after Resen.

jscoggins · 03-22-2015, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rdodolak

Good question, but no one has been able to answer that question. The other possibility is that Resen licensed the titles from Sony but then reused TT's encode. In which case, this wouldn't be a Sony issue but a TT one. It would be unlikely that TT would spend the funds required to go after Resen.

Yes, but Resen is still violating Sony's copyright. Both Sony and Twilight Time can and should go after Resen.

filmmusic · 03-22-2015, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GenPion

Even if that's the title they want, $130 isn't "hundreds of dollars" but I can see why that is a lot more frustrating.

well, as I said in my edit it goes up to $187 but I would pay that crazy amount only for Disney's Beauty and the Beast with original theatrical colors and preserved film grain!

MifuneFan · 03-22-2015, 06:40 PM

They licensed nothing from Sony. Sony hardly sublicenses in Europe, look it up.

You'd have to be pretty naive to think all of this is true:

Resen got Sony to sub-license to them
Resen got Sony to accept no credit on the back cover for said licensing
Resen somehow getting licensing/permission from Sony legally, but then illegally ripping TT discs
It's merely a coincidence that Resen are licensing pretty much only the same titles TT releases, including obscure stuff, and only after the TT disc being out first

It's kind of mind boggling that some still have any doubt. TT said it's been confirmed by all the Studios, meaning Sony is also likely aware that they're selling unauthorized copies.

rdodolak · 03-22-2015, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jscoggins

Yes, but Resen is still violating Sony's copyright. Both Sony and Twilight Time can and should go after Resen.

And how would they still be violating Sony's copyright if they licensed it from Sony? I'm not saying they did but if they did how would it be a violation?

jscoggins · 03-22-2015, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rdodolak

And how would they still be violating Sony's copyright if they licensed it from Sony? I'm not saying they did but if they did how would it be a violation?

They used someone else's encode, not their own. It's the same reason why Lionsgate can't just use Criterion's encode of The Third Man.

rdodolak · 03-22-2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jscoggins

They used someone else's encode, not their own. It's the same reason why Lionsgate can't just use Criterion's encode of The Third Man.

But that would be a TT issue, not a Sony one, since they would be reusing TT's work without their permission.

Mr Kite · 03-22-2015, 07:42 PM

For a company that is accused of pirating they look legit to me?

http://www.amazon.es/El-Cardenal-BD-...7053091&sr=1-1

Blu Titan · 03-22-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rdodolak

What is Sony doing about this?

LOL..that is the question...no doubt.

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Originally Posted by Blu Titan

I don't support bootlegs and I encourage all to follow that path. It is up to the studios themselves to protect their rights. If the studios know...why have they not contacted Amazon Spain and made them remove the bootlegs?!

It has been speculated for a long time that this was happening...continues to happen. Sony and others better make sure their lawyers are earning their pay.

rdodolak · 03-22-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tele1962

For a company that is accused of pirating they look legit to me?

http://www.amazon.es/El-Cardenal-BD-...7053091&sr=1-1

And this is their web site:

http://www.resen.es/

MifuneFan · 03-22-2015, 07:55 PM

It would be up to Sony Pictures Spain (or some Sony EU dept) to investigate it. Sony Pictures NA likely wouldn't do anything about this. I'm not sure what tele1962 is alluding to. A release that's not a TT one? They rip off other releases too, there is even another release of that movie in Spain too released prior to the Resen one...

jscoggins · 03-22-2015, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rdodolak

But that would be a TT issue, not a Sony one, since they would be reusing TT's work without their permission.

Of a Sony movie. When you license something from someone, it doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you want.

Blu Titan · 03-22-2015, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rdodolak

And this is their web site:

http://www.resen.es/

In their site they claim to have secured rights from Sony to distribute their titles in Spain..or something like that

.

Sony needs to clear this up...they probably not even know themselves. From my observations, catalog distribution and licensing by Sony NA is in no way related or cordianted to what they do in other countries.

MifuneFan · 03-22-2015, 08:14 PM

It's not even like it's only Sony titles here. Some of these TT rips are from other studios TT are doing business with. Like The Train for instance, which is from MGM. Again, released only after TT released theirs

I clearly can't convince some people, but I think I've provided more than enough info to help people make an informed decision. It's up to you whether you care or not, or still want to hold on to some glimmer of hope that this label in Spain are doing everything 100% by the books.

03-22-2015, 06:18 PM	#15881
GenPion Blu-ray.com Reviewer Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Texas 4K collection:1218 Blu-ray collection:6999 DVD collection:44 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:271	Bootleg? They probably licensed the same materials from the studio themselves AFTER Twilight Time did the legwork to get the films released in HD on Blu-ray in the first place. I think people should be more aware of how great Twilight Time is for helping to bring these films to Blu-ray (rather than simply complain and point to cheaper imports on a handful of occasions), but I also don't think you're right about that company. I seriously doubt it is a company releasing bootleg Blu-ray's or some-such. It's more a case of the company "following the leader" if you ask me (the leader being Twilight Time for making the initiative that got the studio to release said HD materials). EDIT: Never mind. I read your other posts on the topic. Wow. Actually sounds like they could be bootlegs... am really surprised by this... but if they are all BD-R and the packaging doesn't notate licensing from Sony or other film studios and the discs are near-ports for the most part, I'd guess you could be correct. (Most of the time it is just a case of foreign companies licensing materials from the same studio and releasing it themselves.) Last edited by GenPion; 03-22-2015 at 06:23 PM.

03-22-2015, 06:40 PM	#15890
MifuneFan Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Mar 2012 Location:New York City 4K collection:27 Blu-ray collection:1143 Trading Score:69	They licensed nothing from Sony. Sony hardly sublicenses in Europe, look it up. You'd have to be pretty naive to think all of this is true: Resen got Sony to sub-license to them Resen got Sony to accept no credit on the back cover for said licensing Resen somehow getting licensing/permission from Sony legally, but then illegally ripping TT discs It's merely a coincidence that Resen are licensing pretty much only the same titles TT releases, including obscure stuff, and only after the TT disc being out first It's kind of mind boggling that some still have any doubt. TT said it's been confirmed by all the Studios, meaning Sony is also likely aware that they're selling unauthorized copies. Last edited by MifuneFan; 03-22-2015 at 06:49 PM.

03-22-2015, 06:27 PM	#15883
filmmusic Banned Top contributor Member since:Sep 2010 Trading Score:5	So, if the title isn't re-released by TT, what does anyone suggest to someone who can't pay hundreds of dollars for it? And I don't understand something: Why this Spanish company isn't being sued to stop releasing these illegal Blurays?

03-22-2015, 06:29 PM	#15884
GenPion Blu-ray.com Reviewer Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Texas 4K collection:1218 Blu-ray collection:6999 DVD collection:44 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:271	Pay $50 or so on eBay? It's not hundreds of dollars...

03-22-2015, 07:42 PM	#15894
Mr Kite Banned Member since:Jun 2012 Location:UK Blu-ray collection:367 Trading Score:5	For a company that is accused of pirating they look legit to me? http://www.amazon.es/El-Cardenal-BD-...7053091&sr=1-1

03-22-2015, 07:55 PM	#15897
MifuneFan Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Mar 2012 Location:New York City 4K collection:27 Blu-ray collection:1143 Trading Score:69	It would be up to Sony Pictures Spain (or some Sony EU dept) to investigate it. Sony Pictures NA likely wouldn't do anything about this. I'm not sure what tele1962 is alluding to. A release that's not a TT one? They rip off other releases too, there is even another release of that movie in Spain too released prior to the Resen one...

03-22-2015, 08:14 PM	#15900
MifuneFan Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Mar 2012 Location:New York City 4K collection:27 Blu-ray collection:1143 Trading Score:69	It's not even like it's only Sony titles here. Some of these TT rips are from other studios TT are doing business with. Like The Train for instance, which is from MGM. Again, released only after TT released theirs I clearly can't convince some people, but I think I've provided more than enough info to help people make an informed decision. It's up to you whether you care or not, or still want to hold on to some glimmer of hope that this label in Spain are doing everything 100% by the books.

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