Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[RalphoR]

Any chance one or more of these movies will be announced for Nov/Dec:

Moby Dick
The 3 Worlds of Gulliver
The Hound of the Baskervilles
One Million Years, B.C
Mysterious Island (re-issue)
?

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

Any chance one or more of these movies will be announced for Nov/Dec:

Moby Dick
The 3 Worlds of Gulliver
The Hound of the Baskervilles
One Million Years, B.C
Mysterious Island (re-issue)
?

I believe Moby Dick is slated for next year.

[RalphoR]

Thanks. I hope some of these get released soon. Although the last two announcements from TT have been ok I haven't bought a BD from them since First Men in the Moon and am hoping for some better releases.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

Thanks. I hope some of these get released soon. Although the last two announcements from TT have been ok I haven't bought a BD from them since First Men in the Moon and am hoping for some better releases.

The latest one I've bought from them was Zardoz (along with some birthday sale titles). Not from lack of interest, but because there were too many interesting titles from other labels. That will change when the August titles come up for pre-order. I don't feel like I can hold off on Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, House of Bamboo, and The Little House. After that, the Sep/Oct releases go back to "yeah, I'll pick them up eventually".

[Brad1963]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

Any chance one or more of these movies will be announced for Nov/Dec:

Moby Dick
The 3 Worlds of Gulliver
The Hound of the Baskervilles
One Million Years, B.C
Mysterious Island (re-issue)
?

The Hound of the Baskervilles probably the best chance from this list

[Brad1963]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

yeah, it's great to have more Bronson titles but I don't particularly want to pay $35 for them

hoping some of them last for their annual sale which I bought THE MECHANIC on. I paid the full price for Hard Times and will again for 10 to Midnight.

I'm guessing KINJITE, MESSENGER OF DEATH, MURPHY'S LAW, and THE EVIL THAT MEN DO for the titles (Cannon and Columbia releases...)

Kinjite and Messenger of Death perhaps because Kino has indicated they do not have them. But I would say From Noon Till Three and The Valachi Papers.

[rdodolak]

TT previously mentioned there would be four reissues this year so this is the last opportunity for that to come true assuming nothing has changed since that time.

1. Fright Night
2. Journey to the Center of the Earth
3. Christine (no longer happening as Sony negotiated to get this title back)
4. ???

[Blades1370]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Yet they were half the price of the DVDs 15 years of inflation ago.

The simple fact is consumers have drastically devalued media since piracy and streaming started. This ain't gonna fly with a niche market, people are going to have to pay up for it to survive.

Exactly, I remember when seasons of Babylon 5 were $100 or more per season, finding them used for $35-40 was like finding gold even as little as 8 years ago. My first 4 seasons of Smallville were all purchased used for the $25-35 range.

That being said, having read that interview about the physical media market, many things are true, including the desire of studios to treat the Blu-ray format as a mass market like DVD's were in the early 2000's.

This has proven to be less then successful, I for one don't understand why people would want to spend multiple hundreds if not thousands of dollars on HD or UHD TV's to only watch SD content. This fact baffles my mind... but it's the very reason why as a whole Blu-ray did not replace DVD as the primary format.

Now with UHD coming in the near future and a THIRD format on the horizon, which realistically in my mind will be the Laserdisc model of HD formats in terms of sales, I see this as many others have stated as a niche of a niche format. I might be wrong, and maybe....just maybe this is what it might take to move people off of DVD on into physical HD media... but somehow... I don't see that happening.

[ParaOK]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

TT previously mentioned there would be four reissues this year so this is the last opportunity for that to come true assuming nothing has changed since that time.

1. Fright Night
2. Journey to the Center of the Earth
3. Christine (no longer happening as Sony negotiated to get this title back)
4. ???

I'm thinking (and hoping) The Big Heat is one.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Blades1370

Now with UHD coming in the near future and a THIRD format on the horizon, which realistically in my mind will be the Laserdisc model of HD formats in terms of sales, I see this as many others have stated as a niche of a niche format. I might be wrong, and maybe....just maybe this is what it might take to move people off of DVD on into physical HD media... but somehow... I don't see that happening.

Right now catalog movies seem to sell in the low single-digit thousands, so we're pretty much a niche format already when it comes to catalog releases. UHD could only be more so, so yeah, it might reach laserdisc territory. The question is will people pay for it?

[Petemo2010]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

TT previously mentioned there would be four reissues this year so this is the last opportunity for that to come true assuming nothing has changed since that time.

1. Fright Night
2. Journey to the Center of the Earth
3. Christine (no longer happening as Sony negotiated to get this title back)
4. ???

Well since Sony's releasing Christine, maybe TT can replace that re-issue with a re-issue of Mysterious Island.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by Petemo2010

Well since Sony's releasing Christine, maybe TT can replace that re-issue with a re-issue of Mysterious Island.

yes, according to the poll I had started here:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=255482
it was the most wanted title.

i really hope they do.

[klauswhereareyou]

Wouldn't it be cool if a condition of TT allowing Sony to release Christine was that Sony would offer them a corrected (i.e. non-blue) version of Night of the Living Dead 1990?

[Blades1370]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Right now catalog movies seem to sell in the low single-digit thousands, so we're pretty much a niche format already when it comes to catalog releases. UHD could only be more so, so yeah, it might reach laserdisc territory. The question is will people pay for it?

I would pay IF, and only IF there was a HUGE upgrade for a catalog title, i.e. a 4k remaster versus an older early 2000's era, that for whatever reason they won't release on Blu-ray. It's possible, and if they do it right, that 4k could become the ultimate format for serious collectors. In other words, only releasing titles that have newer masters that offer the best possible PQ, otherwise it's going to turn into a repeat of what they have done with this format, release great looking titles at first, then push every old crappy master lying around onto the format later on.

If they do that with 4k as they have with this format and STILL try charging high prices for titles ($50-60 or more), it will spell DOOM for the format.

Back in the DVD days the prices were much higher then they are today, we have as consumers become addicted to cheap and fast. I've said it before, I have no issues paying 30, 40 or 50$ for a single title if it were to represent the absolute best possibly quality available at the time, like what has been done with Journey to the Center of the Earth, or the upcoming Spartacus release.

Truthfully I want the UHD format to be expensive and offer the best of the best in terms of PQ/AQ, in my opinion it's the only way the format is going to be able to exist co-currently with two others. Yes it means everyone and their brother isn't going to be able to afford the format, including myself, as only very specific titles would I upgrade mainly due to pricing, but I would still be a consumer.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Blades1370

I would pay IF, and only IF there was a HUGE upgrade for a catalog title, i.e. a 4k remaster versus an older early 2000's era, that for whatever reason they won't release on Blu-ray. It's possible, and if they do it right, that 4k could become the ultimate format for serious collectors. In other words, only releasing titles that have newer masters that offer the best possible PQ, otherwise it's going to turn into a repeat of what they have done with this format, release great looking titles at first, then push every old crappy master lying around onto the format later on.

Pretty much, yes. I won't have a 4k TV for a long while because I just got a new 1080p TV last year, but I will still get a 4k player if they release a lot of new 4k remasters of catalog material exclusively on the new format. It's funny though, that kind of artificial exclusivity will likely anger most, since there's no reason they couldn't put them out on BD or in combo-packs.

One thing I've learned is the scan and master matter more than the format. If they want 4k format sales, they better be using new masters, as you say. BD was really, really harmed by a lot of lazy re-releases early on. When people on my other forums tell me "blu-ray looks the same as DVD" they are either half-blind or talking about these crappy re-releases of 90's or early 00's masters.

There's reason for optimism though, whether BD or 4kBD becomes the niche format for years to come. Arrow, Criterion and to a lesser extent TT, Kino and Scream have been releasing a lot of new masters that look lovely. I see no reason to doubt they will keep doing so as long as keep paying.

[docc]

Got my pre-order package from Cinram today, quick shipping priority to Canada but the 6 blu-rays were packed loose in the box rattling around with no bubble or other filling , hopefully none of the discs have dislodged. Unfortunately they put the full retail price on the customs form so I ended up having to pay an extra $35 in border fees

[PowellPressburger]

I don't plan on using Cinram or ordering direct from TT site. It is a nice site, but I like SAE shipping and packing. I know what to expect when I order 1 title of 4 or more.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Yet they were half the price of the DVDs 15 years of inflation ago.

The simple fact is consumers have drastically devalued media since piracy and streaming started. This ain't gonna fly with a niche market, people are going to have to pay up for it to survive.

I wouldn't blame piracy and streaming half as much as I'd blame Walmart and Target having bins full of $5.00-$7.99 blu-rays. How does that not de-value discs in people's minds? People see Wal-mart selling discs for under $10 and then they wonder why some companies charge $20-$35 for a disc. Most people don't understand the difference between titles, and what's involved in bringing older films that need remastering work first to disc. They just think more expensive titles are ripping them off after seeing Wal-mart selling many for under $10.

[Widescreenfilmguy]

I seem to remember that TT had stated on FB a few months ago that they wouldn't be reissuing Mysterious Island

[jmclick]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I wouldn't blame piracy and streaming half as much as I'd blame Walmart and Target having bins full of $5.00-$7.99 blu-rays. How does that not de-value discs in people's minds? People see Wal-mart selling discs for under $10 and then they wonder why some companies charge $20-$35 for a disc. Most people don't understand the difference between titles, and what's involved in bringing older films that need remastering work first to disc. They just think more expensive titles are ripping them off after seeing Wal-mart selling many for under $10.

Ah, but perhaps you're not really looking at the whole picture. Most of those discs in the dump bins at Wal-Mart have out-of-date digital redemption codes included; the packages have, in essence, passed their sell-by dates. And what ethical retailer can continue to sell expired product without marking it down? In that sense, I blame the studios themselves for using the blu-ray format as a marketing tool for the digital streaming services they hope will someday make blu-ray obsolete.