Unforgiven 4K UHD (1992)

[trippledx3]

I f'd up and ordered it from a place they dont include slipcovers :'( :'( :'(

[Poya]

Originally Posted by killermike2178

What?! It's gets docked a whole half-point in its score, and suddenly you're dropping a bollock?! Based on what Brandon Peters said about Unforgiven's UHD presentation, it may have the exact opposite problem that Michael Reuben had with GoodFellas' UHD presentation with regards to black levels. According to Reuben, GoodFellas looked far too bright when it came to its black levels, but according to Peters, Unforgiven is a much darker-looking presentation, albeit you can still make out the shadow details (at least, he could). Maybe Warner Bros. tinkered with the black levels for GoodFellas to compensate for the HDR on 35mm material, but perhaps enough people like Reuben complained, and they listened, and decided to leave theblack levels alone with Unforgiven. I am very cautiously optimistic with this one. Then again, I did foresee Hillary beating Trump, so take that with a grain of salt.

Careful. I once posted about you-know-who and I got banned for a month.

[Cprobins]

Preordered this from Best Buy and was told the release date was May 16th. Just received an update from Best Buy saying it was now the 23rd and yet Amazon still shows the release date as the 16th. What gives? Any chance Best Buy still ships this to me on the 16th? Or am I stuck waiting?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

That's not the way it works. You pay more for new releases because it's the first "window" after theatrical release, so you can watch the movie at home earlier than anybody else (at least theoretically).

You can't ask the same price for a movie that has been on free TV for 20 years, no matter how good it is. And Warner knows it too, that's why they are keeping the remastered BD exclusive to the UHD package for a few months...

The standard BD will be 10 or 12 dollars tops and it comes from the same 4K master.

You are basically paying $30 because of the new format, not the actual movie in this case...

Not trying to be confrontational at all but you're telling me it's not how things work when you don't seem to get the market realities. It doesn't matter how long a movie has been "on cable" or whatever. All that matters is supply and demand, and the market for the item. Older movies are purchased by less people, UHDs are purchased by less people, hence older movies on UHD are a more niche product. That means less people buy them, which for some studios mean the tactic for good return on investment is a higher price.

Obviously that's not true across the board, different studios have different tactics. Also Warner are raising prices in general, across the board, as a response to disc media's market shrinking. Less buyers, higher prices. That's why laserdiscs were $70 or more sometimes. Warner raised the normal day one price for a new BD movie to $25, and they switched all their catalog releases to Warner Archive at $20 a pop, and on UHD everything seems to release at $30. Honestly I doubt these are the last price hikes we see.

A lot of people buying discs aren't going to accept this switch from mainstream DVD boom pricing to niche collector market pricing, but it is what it is. I would guess a lot of those people will stop buying and move to digital, which sucks, but whatareyagonnado?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Poya

Careful. I once posted about you-know-who and I got banned for a month.

He Who Cannot Be Named.

Sounds about right.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by killermike2178

What?! It's gets docked a whole half-point in its score, and suddenly you're dropping a bollock?! Based on what Brandon Peters said about Unforgiven's UHD presentation, it may have the exact opposite problem that Michael Reuben had with GoodFellas' UHD presentation with regards to black levels. According to Reuben, GoodFellas looked far too bright when it came to its black levels, but according to Peters, Unforgiven is a much darker-looking presentation, albeit you can still make out the shadow details (at least, he could). Maybe Warner Bros. tinkered with the black levels for GoodFellas to compensate for the HDR on 35mm material, but perhaps enough people like Reuben complained, and they listened, and decided to leave theblack levels alone with Unforgiven. I am very cautiously optimistic with this one. Then again, I did foresee Hillary beating Trump, so take that with a grain of salt.

Heh. I'd love to see what Michael makes of Unforgiven on the exact same set-up he viewed Goodfellas on.

[Mr. Cinema]

Amazon's pricing for this has gone from $31.31 to $37.99 and now back to $32.59.

[Cprobins]

Is amazon's release date still the 16th? Best Buy's changed to the 23rd.

[Mr. Cinema]

Amazon still shows 5/16, but Walmart.com also has 5/23.

[Cprobins]

I'm new to 4K so maybe this is normal but I've never seen release dates flip flop like this so frequently. Seems odd.

[DJJez]

my buddy has got his review up on his site!

http://whysoblu.com/unforgiven-4k-uhd-blu-ray-review/

[StingingVelvet]

Not a fan of WhySoBlu, but interesting to hear they think the daytime scenes are a lot darker on the UHD. I remember Unforgiven being pretty warm and sunsety, so we'll have to see how it turns out. There are definitely a couple UHDs where the daytime scenes were darkened a little too much and it looks like permanent sunset.

P.S. Mine still says "arriving Tuesday, May 16" on Amazon. Hope it doesn't get delayed.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Not a fan of WhySoBlu, but interesting to hear they think the daytime scenes are a lot darker on the UHD. I remember Unforgiven being pretty warm and sunsety, so we'll have to see how it turns out. There are definitely a couple UHDs where the daytime scenes were darkened a little too much and it looks like permanent sunset.

P.S. Mine still says "arriving Tuesday, May 16" on Amazon. Hope it doesn't get delayed.

why not a fan? i think they are slighly over positive about transfers for sure but they get their reviews out early so i normally always read them

[brainofj72]

I haven't found a single review site that I feel like I can trust.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

I haven't found a single review site that I feel like I can trust.

same. i value peoples opinions more on this forum than most big reviews lol

[philochs]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Not a fan of WhySoBlu, but interesting to hear they think the daytime scenes are a lot darker on the UHD.

This is specifically due to the static metadata. I wonder how long it will take for a second UHD release to come out with some type of dynamic metadata HDR. If they add HDR10+, Technicolor HDR, or Dolby Vision to a "special edition", the bright scenes will no longer be darker than on the regular Blu-ray.

UHD with static metadata is like two steps forward, one step back. They really need to update the BDA spec to require dynamic metadata (HDR10+) moving forward via HDMI 2.1. They probably should've waited for HDMI 2.1 to launch the format. Static metadata actually hurts picture quality, especially compared with dynamic metadata, but sometimes even compared to no metadata at all.

[philochs]

Found a "Home Theater Forum" review for the UHD Unforgiven disk. It's unfortunately not a positive review...

"Comparing the new 4k UHD/HDR with the new Blu-ray,... On the UHD disk blacks take over the image, with a decided loss of shadow detail. The overall image is darker... the included standard Blu-ray image up-rezzed, and the UHD image as viewed from the UHD disc, are not much different, aside from HDR. But in my opinion, the included Blu-ray, which is only available packaged with the 4k, is worth the price of admission. "


Warner Bros. are Unforgiven for releasing this a month too early to include Dolby Vision. Oh, what could have been. Personally, I won't want a 4K copy that is darker than the 1080p disk, an issue DV could fix. You're buying a UHD Blu-ray, better PQ is supposed to be the reason you're buying it. It sounds like it's such a mixed bag that the new remastered 1080p copy is more appealing, which is just embarrassing over a year into the UHD format.


https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...lu-ray.352579/

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by philochs

Found a "Home Theater Forum" review for the UHD Unforgiven disk. It's unfortunately not a positive review...

"Comparing the new 4k UHD/HDR with the new Blu-ray,... On the UHD disk blacks take over the image, with a decided loss of shadow detail. The overall image is darker... the included standard Blu-ray image up-rezzed, and the UHD image as viewed from the UHD disc, are not much different, aside from HDR. But in my opinion, the included Blu-ray, which is only available packaged with the 4k, is worth the price of admission. "


Warner Bros. are Unforgiven for releasing this a month too early to include Dolby Vision. Oh, what could have been. Personally, I won't want a 4K copy that is darker than the 1080p disk, an issue DV could fix. You're buying a UHD Blu-ray, better PQ is supposed to be the reason you're buying it. It sounds like it's such a mixed bag that the new remastered 1080p copy is more appealing, which is just embarrassing over a year into the UHD format.


https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...lu-ray.352579/

Damn it....

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by philochs

It's unfortunately not a positive review...

I'm not sure I agree with your interpretation -- it's a 5/5 star review. Mr. Harris says, among other things, that the 4K version has harvested all of the possible detail in the source material -- but the source material itself only yields so much resolution. His main criticism is that the 4K version is too dark, but acknowledges this may be a result of his projector set up.

[benhoppel]

Originally Posted by philochs

F
Warner Bros. are Unforgiven for releasing this a month too early to include Dolby Vision. Oh, what could have been. Personally, I won't want a 4K copy that is darker than the 1080p disk, an issue DV could fix. You're buying a UHD Blu-ray, better PQ is supposed to be the reason you're buying it. It sounds like it's such a mixed bag that the new remastered 1080p copy is more appealing, which is just embarrassing over a year into the UHD format.

But is it really darker or is that simply the effect of incorrect tone mapping on projectors/displays that can't do the proper nits?