List of UHDs that utilize 4K or Higher Masters

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I don't discriminate: real 4K, fake 4K, 3D, DVD even...just bring it! [emoji41]

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The point is that UHDs using 2K DIs can look as good as the UHDs using 4K DIs. There are many examples of this and you know it.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

The point is that UHDs using 2K DIs can look as good as the UHDs using 4K DIs. There are many examples of this and you know it.

You should say that to AML, not me. Most of my favorite releases are 2K DI. I dont look at labels I look at picture quality

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[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

You should say that to AML, not me. Most of my favorite releases are 2K DI. I dont look at labels I look at picture quality

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You haven't ignored that guy yet?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

You haven't ignored that guy yet?

I probably should. Just curious as to why he cares so much whether new releases are mostly 2K DI if they meet our expectations in the end.

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[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by AML

So when they decide to remaster these "fake" 4k releases, and give us 4k DI's, will all of you telling me to "shut up", double dip?

No, because you'll be on everyone's ignore list long before then.

Ta, ta.

[fjerina]

The AVS Forum did not give it a stellar review either. I am just going to rent it on BluRay from Redbox when it comes out this week.

http://www.avsforum.com/alien-covenant-ultra-hd-review/

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

'Alien: Covenant' is in the discussion for the best UHD transfer of the year, and it wasn't even shot at 4K.

People really do put too much thought into the whole digital intermediate aspect of all of this. No one is getting ripped off. A good transfer is a good transfer, regardless of workflow.

[legends of beyond]

Originally Posted by fjerina

The AVS Forum did not give it a stellar review either. I am just going to rent it on BluRay from Redbox when it comes out this week.

http://www.avsforum.com/alien-covenant-ultra-hd-review/

*Implying listening to a Blu-Ray review site is a good idea in 2017*

[Geoff D]

^ That right there is crazy talk

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by legends of beyond

*Implying listening to a Blu-Ray review site is a good idea in 2017*

It is. Always choose opposite of what these reviews advise [emoji106]

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[AML]

You can ignore me, but it's like you have your heads in the sand.
If the trend of making 2k di's continues, I guess I just won't be buying that many 4k discs.

[legends of beyond]

Originally Posted by AML

You can ignore me, but it's like you have your heads in the sand.
If the trend of making 2k di's continues, I guess I just won't be buying that many 4k discs.

... I wish I knew how to ignore people.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by AML

You can ignore me, but it's like you have your heads in the sand.
If the trend of making 2k di's continues, I guess I just won't be buying that many 4k discs.

Okay then. That's all you had to say in the beginning and then move on.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by AML

You can ignore me, but it's like you have your heads in the sand.
If the trend of making 2k di's continues, I guess I just won't be buying that many 4k discs.

We care.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by legends of beyond

... I wish I knew how to ignore people.

Go to 'User CP' (control panel), select Edit Ignore List , then type in the user name and click save or ok (not sure of button name), and it's done. ��

[RockyIII]

I know that average bitrate for UHD ia usually 60 to 100. But what is the highest bitrate seen in 1080p bluray?

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[legends of beyond]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Go to 'User CP' (control panel), select Edit Ignore ... , then type in the user name and click save or ok (not sure of button name), and it's done. 👍

Thank you... hero.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by AML

If the trend of making 2k di's continues, I guess I just won't be buying that many 4k discs.

IMO, till the workflow cost come down for 4K we will continue to see mostly 2K DI's. I find it interesting there are 4K videos done with $5000 cameras that look more real than some major 2K and 4K movies. Movie people are obsessed with putting their "look" on any given movie. In doing so details get lost. Camera motion is another problem, spatial resolution goes out the window with all this shaky handheld camera crap.

The same can be said for sound, many of the Dolby Atmos movies do not take advantage of Atmos, one would assume because of production cost. Very few movies comes close to the Dolby Atmos demo disc in terms of sound element use.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I find it interesting there are 4K videos done with $5000 cameras that look more real than some major 2K and 4K movies. Movie people are obsessed with putting their "look" on any given movie.

Yes, storytelling prioritized before similitude... imagine that.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

...Movie people are obsessed with putting their "look" on any given movie...

I enjoy watching movies because I want to be drawn into their universe. Currently, reality is a little too ugly for me.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMO, till the workflow cost come down for 4K we will continue to see mostly 2K DI's. I find it interesting there are 4K videos done with $5000 cameras that look more real than some major 2K and 4K movies. Movie people are obsessed with putting their "look" on any given movie. In doing so details get lost. Camera motion is another problem, spatial resolution goes out the window with all this shaky handheld camera crap.

The same can be said for sound, many of the Dolby Atmos movies do not take advantage of Atmos, one would assume because of production cost. Very few movies comes close to the Dolby Atmos demo disc in terms of sound element use.

It's not even cost so much as it is time. It takes longer to build and render out VFX in 4K and with the crunched post production schedules of most big event movies they simply don't have the time. And it doesn't actually help the cause of 4K VFX when we read things like for the VFX in Guardians Vol.2 where they actually did 4K CG tests but 95% of the time they couldn't tell it apart from 2K.

"But Geoff, don't they just do upscaled VFX in most modern 4K finishes regardless?" That's correct Timmy, but nowadays so much is VFX oriented (even stuff you wouldn't think was CG, like Black Panther's suit) that I think the studios go "meh, what's the point in finishing in 4K if the damned thing's gonna have so much VFX anyways?" so they're sticking with 2K until the usage of 4K VFX - pointless 95% of the time or not - becomes more widespread. Still, it was encouraging to hear from a guy who worked on the VFX for Doctor Strange who said that the workflow for the Infinity War movies WAS going to be in 4K, and that makes sense given that the whole thing is being shot on the marquee IMAX cameras (albeit the Alexa 65 and not 15/65mm).

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Yes, storytelling prioritized before similitude... imagine that.

Indeed. As much of a mark for 4K HDR as I am, it's not about getting something that's blazingly bright, sharp and crystal clear EVERY time. Cinematography is an art form, not a contest. (And I realise the irony therein given how much I b*tch about GITS but there it's about the UHD being one of the most minuscule 4K upgrades I've yet seen, not so much about super duper visuals in and of themselves but just SOMETHING that really marks it out from the BD would've been nice.)