List of UHDs that utilize 4K or Higher Masters

[Brahmzy]

2K DI is fake 4K. There’s no gray area here.
Your opinion of how good or bad that fake 4K looks is irrelevant to this thread.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

2K DI is fake 4K. There’s no gray area here.
Your opinion of how good or bad that fake 4K looks is irrelevant to this thread.

I disagree. If this was just about resolution then you might have an argument, but HDR changes the entire comparison.

[Brahmzy]

This thread IS just about resolution!!

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

This thread IS just about resolution!!

Well, yeah. I was referring to UHD in general. It has been proven that a 4K UHD from a 2K DI can look just as good as a 4K UHD with a 4K DI.

[Brahmzy]

You’re talking about the best of one compared to the worst of the other. Of course that’s possible. We haven’t even seen what this new format is fully capable of at full maturity.
No way any 2K upscale can match PROPER native 2160p material. That’s just silly talk and a waste of forum space here. Planet Earth II is a small glimpse..

[19MICK94]

Did no one see the citation?

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/hig...out-year-40831

[AML]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

You’re talking about the best of one compared to the worst of the other. Of course that’s possible. We haven’t even seen what this new format is fully capable of at full maturity.
No way any 2K upscale can match PROPER native 2160p material. That’s just silly talk and a waste of forum space here. Planet Earth II is a small glimpse..

Completely agree, and when they start to remaster everything in 4k, I look forward to seeing comparisons showing a clear difference between the first upscaled 2k releases, and the new 4k masters.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

You’re talking about the best of one compared to the worst of the other. Of course that’s possible. We haven’t even seen what this new format is fully capable of at full maturity.
No way any 2K upscale can match PROPER native 2160p material. That’s just silly talk and a waste of forum space here. Planet Earth II is a small glimpse..

But isnt it true that most studios choose to go with less than 4K for those VFX-heavy productions for obvious reasons?

[Brahmzy]

^^ That’s because they’ve had no reason go go any higher for the last 10-15 years.
Now they do and it’s BIG $$ and time, obviously, to change to a 4K workflow.
It’ll happen, but it’s not going to happen quickly, unfortunately.
The storage vendors are all pushing hard to sell 4K ready, high performant, high capacity arrays. I think where it’s probably getting held up is in the project timeline.
“It’ll take HOW LONG??? Just keep it 2K. We only have x dollars and x months to make this happen.”
It’s going to have to justified from the top-down, bean counters etc. Once one studio starts, it’ll happen fast though.

Really hoping the Camerons and Bays n such are catalysts

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

^^ That’s because they’ve had no reason go go any higher for the last 10-15 years.
Now they do and it’s BIG $$ and time, obviously, to change to a 4K workflow.
It’ll happen, but it’s not going to happen quickly, unfortunately.
The storage vendors are all pushing hard to sell 4K ready, high performant, high capacity arrays. I think where it’s probably getting held up is in the project timeline.
“It’ll take HOW LONG??? Just keep it 2K. We only have x dollars and x months to make this happen.”
It’s going to have to justified from the top-down, bean counters etc. Once one studio starts, it’ll happen fast though.

Really hoping the Camerons and Bays n such are catalysts

X2!

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[RockyIII]

Shouldn't Assassin Creed 4K UHD be included on this list?

[Megalith]

This technicality has become so much less meaningful for me after having actually sampled a variety of 4K titles.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by AML

Completely agree, and when they start to remaster everything in 4k, I look forward to seeing comparisons showing a clear difference between the first upscaled 2k releases, and the new 4k masters.

Is there a list of 4K releases from 2K DI where there's a rationale for expecting a 4K master source to be used at some point? I don't expect filmmakers to go back to the point where principal photography has been completed and basically make the movie all over again (from that point). Do you?

What will happen, I'd wager, is that there will be early transfers which are bettered using the same master source. It's just as easy to botch, deliberately or not, a UHD as it is a 1080P blu.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by Megalith

This technicality has become so much less meaningful for me after having actually sampled a variety of 4K titles.

The distinction is important, but it is equally important to accept that "taking a short cut" is rarely (ever?) the reason why a 2K master source was used rather than a 4K. If we started to see 80s and 90s (or earlier) 35MM getting scanned at 2K, then that would be the time to revolt with our wallets.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by jh901

Is there a list of 4K releases from 2K DI where there's a rationale for expecting a 4K master source to be used at some point? I don't expect filmmakers to go back to the point where principal photography has been completed and basically make the movie all over again (from that point). Do you?

What will happen, I'd wager, is that there will be early transfers which are bettered using the same master source. It's just as easy to botch, deliberately or not, a UHD as it is a 1080P blu.

There's doesn't need be a list for those. If a UHD is not on this list then it stems from a 2K DI instead of 4K.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

There's doesn't need be a list for those. If a UHD is not on this list then it stems from a 2K DI instead of 4K.

Yes, there does. Apparently. Seems that some members believe that they are being sold short on 4K releases derived from a 2K master source. The only source there will ever be for any number of films is 2K. Surely, you and others don't expect movies to be made all over again!? Further, it would be ridiculous to avoid any number of amazing 4K releases so far simply because the source isn't 4K.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by jh901

Yes, there does. Apparently. Seems that some members believe that they are being sold short on 4K releases derived from a 2K master source. The only source there will ever be for any number of films is 2K. Surely, you and others don't expect movies to be made all over again!? Further, it would be ridiculous to avoid any number of amazing 4K releases so far simply because the source isn't 4K.

Well, I don't think it's needed. If it's not in my list then it's a 2K source. It's as simple as that. I also agree that avoiding a UHD because it has a 2K DI is silly especially when it looks miles better than the BD.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Well, I don't think it's needed. If it's not in my list then it's a 2K source. It's as simple as that. I also agree that avoiding a UHD because it has a 2K DI is silly especially when it looks miles better than the BD.

It makes sense. No need to complicate things further.

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[AML]

Originally Posted by jh901

Yes, there does. Apparently. Seems that some members believe that they are being sold short on 4K releases derived from a 2K master source. The only source there will ever be for any number of films is 2K. Surely, you and others don't expect movies to be made all over again!? Further, it would be ridiculous to avoid any number of amazing 4K releases so far simply because the source isn't 4K.

Remaking a movie for a 4k release is ridiculous. No one in their right mind would do that.
However, they can most certainly go back and make a 4k master from the higher resolution footage they already have.
The problem we have now is that even when they do have 4k or 6k footage, they down scale it to 2k for theatrical and standard blu ray release. Then re-upscale it for 4k discs.

That's why I expect we will see a lot of movies being re-released a few years from now with brand new 4k masters.

As for avoiding current upscaled releases, that's my choice, because I don't want to give my money to studios that do what I said above.
And as I also said, I expect these movies to come out again with better 4k transfers.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by AML

Remaking a movie for a 4k release is ridiculous. No one in their right mind would do that.
However, they can most certainly go back and make a 4k master from the higher resolution footage they already have.
The problem we have now is that even when they do have 4k or 6k footage, they down scale it to 2k for theatrical and standard blu ray release. Then re-upscale it for 4k discs.

That's why I expect we will see a lot of movies being re-released a few years from now with brand new 4k masters.

As for avoiding current upscaled releases, that's my choice, because I don't want to give my money to studios that do what I said above.
And as I also said, I expect these movies to come out again with better 4k transfers.

You may be waiting for quite some time then.