4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Have you even projected 35mm film?

Well, before the men in the white coats came to take me away after I lubed the plastic rollers, the answer is…Yes (gee, I even know how a dynamometer is applicable to not just engine motors but film projectors).

Also, come to think of it, as a young man at the time, I could run a pretty mean concession stand too….i.e. a multi-skilled worker you know . Now if you don’t have a busy full-time job then -
http://www.hark.com/clips/fhysddwhkh-ya-bother-me

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

The industry switching to digital doesn't mean it's better. There only doing this save money...

Sap, everything in Hollywood is geared towards saving money, for it’s a business built to make a profit, certainly not non-profit social service. But, I think all else pales in comparison to *creative accounting*…http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...10310122.shtml

P.S.
Michael Bay is selling his film camera…http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-...nology-177258/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by joliefan

Oblivion was shot in 4k sounds cool

4K (itself) sounds cooler than 'UHD'

As to Oblivion

A primer

Oblivion [Behind The Scenes] With Cast Commentary (Tom Cruise, Morgan Freeman & Co.) - YouTube

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Sap, everything in Hollywood is geared towards saving money, for it’s a business built to make a profit, certainly not non-profit social service. But, I think all else pales in comparison to *creative accounting*…http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...10310122.shtml

P.S.
Michael Bay is selling his film camera…http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-...nology-177258/

"Michael Bay:
What technology has excited him recently
Talks about how he’s at CinemaCon to talk about Dolby Atmos
Reveals Transformers 4 will be the first film to shoot with the new IMAX 3D digital cameras
Says he won’t be shooting in 48fps/high frame rate
What’s the resolution of the new cameras
Says they’re going to use the new camera in the big seminal scenes…the showcase scenes
The rest of the movie will be digital cameras with some film cameras"

All i care about. As long as film is still being used i'm satisfied. The 35mm parts in Transformers 3 stood out over the digital scenes. And thank god he's not shooting in 48fp.

Peter. We're going to have to agree to disagree about film vs digital. And i don't know what the amount of 70mm IMAX movies being shot has to do with anything. I'm talking about the quality of it. Which is light years better than digital.

8K digital? It's still digital bro. Heh.

[saprano]

Samsung says don't buy a 4K TV because it will be outdated when standards are set. Basically what i always thought.

For an industry struggling to sell expensive new Ultra HD 4K TVs, Samsung last week didn't do it any favors.

Twice Magazine reports that Michael Zoeller, Samsung's senior director of sales and marketing in Europe, basically advised people not to buy current 4K sets. Speaking before the IFA Global Press Event in Italy, Zoeller said "no IHD (Ultra HD) today will be compatible with the UHD standards to come."

Of course, Zoeller tried to soften the blow by adding that Samsung would soon introduce an "Evolution Kit," which is supposed to allow Samsung 4K sets to stay compatible with any new standard. But Zoeller acknowledged that the Evolution Kit would only be operative for four to five years.



According to Twice, the Samsung executive said future compatibility issues will include new 4K Blu-ray discs; 4K streaming; broadcast data-rate issues and HDMI 2.0. In laymen's terms, that means those products might not be able to be played on current 4K sets.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/4k042313.htm

Nice hint at 4KBD's!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

Samsung says don't buy a 4K TV because it will be outdated when standards are set. Basically what i always thought.

Too funny , I bet his sales reps are just loving Mr. Zoeller’s proclamation given Samsung’s intentions for “a full Ultra HD range" of TVs (to be announced) for this year's IFA”. http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-tele...13-n29204.html

If someone is truly in the market for a 4K tv this summer/fall, I don’t really see the issues Mr. Zoeller presented as being the major obstacle to an imminent purchase. For one thing, he admits that their “Evolution kit” will be good for 4–5 years (don’t think other manufacturers aren’t also working on solutions to prevent/delay *basic 4K obsolescence*), plus, this current videophilic obsession with having 4K > 30Hz vis-a-vie the yet to be announced HDMI 2.0 is rather hypocritical given, I believe, the overwhelming majority of videophiles do not like even the idea of more HFR motion pictures, after having seen and experienced The Hobbit theatrically.

And I would say that by the time there is widespread broadcasting of 4K at 50/60 Hz, if one were to buy a 4K tv now, you’ll most likely be ready to purchase a new 4K tv anyway (http://gigaom.com/2012/01/05/tv-replacement-cycle/) because that broadcast infrastructure (4K at 50/60 Hz) is going to take quite some time to develop. Plus, skimming over the imaging topics on this forum, it seems that HFR broadcast is the absolute least thing on members’ minds…which is a pity. Heck I haven’t seen one post on any audiovideo website asking for or demanding 1080p/60 broadcast in years! Now, all of a sudden early adopter types see the lack of 4K/60 with current HDMI standard as being some sort of deal-breaker? Please.

No, if Mr. Zoeller really wants to be perfectly honest in advising people to not buy current 4K sets, he should tell the press that unless one is willing and able to sit about 2 PH away from the screen, it is just not worth the premium price 4K tvs demand (at least for those with excellent upscaling engines) because one is going to be hard-pressed to tell the difference between that and a similar quality 1080p set, beyond that distance. The cost/value just isn’t there simply based upon boosting the spatial resolution of the display.

[Penton-Man]

^ On the other hand, I can say to filmmaker-types reading this page that Sony is promoting the feature that one would be able to pass a 4096 x 2160/60p video signal over one HDMI cable for evaluation of the imagery (live), if one were to purchase an F55 4K camera and also the upcoming Sony 30-inch 4K LCD Professional monitor…which will be demoed tomorrow evening at the Sony Digital Motion Picture Center’s first Engineer Technology Night, as per the email -

New Display Technologies

You are invited to the DMPC's first Engineer Technology Night!

To compliment the growing family of 4K CineAlta Cameras, Sony recently
introduced the exciting PMW-X300 - the first professional display with true 4K resolution. This amazing monitor features:

* An LCD Panel with a Resolution of 4096 x 2160
* Optional SxS Player for real-time playback of 4K XAVC content from
the PMW-F55
* 10-bit RGB Performance with Uniformity Control
* Versatile Interfaces including: 3G HD-SDI, HDMI and Display Port
* Display of 4K images at 60P from the PMW-F55 with a single HDMI
cable
* Zoom and Focus Enhancement Functionality

In addition, you will be able to preview Sony's new line of BVM displays. Our
latest OLED displays, which feature the industry's best image quality,
continue to evolve with a growing compliment of tools for On-set Color
Management. Sr. Product Manager, Gary Mandle and the Sony Monitor Design Team from Japan will be at the DMPC to discuss the latest in display technology and listen to your feedback on the constantly-evolving way monitors are used by DIT's. If you want to help guide the way professional monitors are designed this opportunity is not to be missed!

Date: April 24th, 2013
Time: 6 PM - 8 PM
Location: Sony Digital Motion Picture Center

Refreshments and snacks will be served but space is limited, so please e-mail xxxxxxx as soon as possible to RSVP.

We hope you can join us at the DMPC for Engineer Technology Night!
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Or, if one is so inclined there is another event tomorrow evening at about the same time put on by the Hollywood Section of SMPTE…

April Meeting -- Test Patterns (click here)
Section Meeting
Wed, 04/24/2013 - 6:30pm - 9:30pm
Test Patterns, Science and … Art?
Please RSVP for the event at: http://hsmpte24april2013.eventbrite.com
Wednesday April 24th
6:30 -9:30 PM

Test Patterns … Art? Yes, it’s true those wonderful images that have been used for decades to improve movies and television have become the center piece of an artistic presentation by artist Lucy Raven. She will present her art and discuss her inspiration with us.

Following that we will explore the history, evolution and use of test images to analyze and improve our rich media experiences. Test images, charts and patterns have been used since the beginning of reproduced media, and the Digital revolution only expands that need. Join, Joe Kane as he leads presentations by Dan Sherlock of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences and Vince Roth of Fotokem. Together they will look at the development and current use and disuse of patterns in the Motion Picture and Broadcast Industry; including some historic images and all the way to the current “Digital Leader”. Also, Joe will discuss how recent innovations have made test patterns and images so much more accessible and useful to users than ever before.

The event will open at 6:30 with Pre-Meeting refreshments and Networking, followed by the subject at 7:30.
Free parking behind the building. Enter on Homewood Avenue
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Which to attend? I think some filmmakers will chose the venue with the better refreshments and snacks.

[Penton-Man]

“Quicker than expected” …from paidgeek’s old boss, Mr. 4K….http://uk.news.yahoo.com/sony-4k-mai...8.html#gBSbpmX

[pagemaster]

Very interesting!

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/26/t...paign=Engadget

I know this is for the camera, I am assuming an entire movie could be released on one of these?

Also,

Blu-ray set to make 4K decision later this year

[Penton-Man]

^ Your link doesn’t work…at least not for me nor perhaps others. So, try this - http://www.cnet.com.au/blu-ray-set-t...-339344088.htm

As far as cameras go, and the practicality to typical consumers and applicability to 4K tv’s, something which I don’t ever see mentioned in the press is that you can capture equal or greater than 4K resolution still pictures even with affordable compact digital cameras (family photos, vacations, etc.), transfer the still picture data to your 4K tv via USB terminal and USB stick, and ultimately display the still picture(s) in 4K resolution.....something which could not be done before with ‘full HD tv’s’ where you’d lose resolution (detail) on the display end.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by joliefan

Oblivion was shot in 4k sounds cool

Tom’s a motorcycle guy since childhood, like me. This reminds me of some motorcycle stories I never told my parents -
http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/...rcycle/n35904/

But, the motion picture I would most like to see eventually be made is the Steve McQueen biopic starring Jeremy Renner.

Anyway, more sci-fi shot in 4K (and 5) upcoming -
May 31 – After Earth
Aug. 9 - Elysium

[Nisei]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Yesterday's Apple rumor is that the Apple TV set is going to be 4K. However, past rumors indicated that it wasn't going to be a very large set - probably only 46", so I'm not sure what the point will be.

That sounds like a huge monitor to me, not a TV. 4K at 46" is madness. Who's gonna sit only 2 feet away from their TV screen?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Nisei

That sounds like a huge monitor to me, not a TV. 4K at 46" is madness. Who's gonna sit only 2 feet away from their TV screen?

Apple users.

[Esox50]

I have to say, I am shocked the BDA is "expecting to make a $K decision later this year". I was hoping there would be a revision set this summer with a handful of titles available this Fall. So, I'm guessing it won't be until 3Q/4Q 2014 where we'll see something actually usable, albeit in ltd quantities, in our homes.

Content will drive adoption. Why pay a premium for these 4K sets now with little to no content? "Hey, let me pay 7K for this Sony 4K TV so I can watch 20 movies over the next 2 years." With most people saying 4K TV prices will drop quickly in 2-3 years, you can probably get a 4K set for 1/2 the price of today's sets and actually have content to play in 2015! Novel concept.

[keb33509]

While the content will be limited, those of us with disposable income won't be complaining. I'll get my higher than 1080p passive 3D and bragging rights for what is available. It will also be great to display my wife's photography on.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by keb33509

While the content will be limited, those of us with disposable income won't be complaining. I'll get my higher than 1080p passive 3D and bragging rights for what is available. It will also be great to display my wife's photography on.

True, the passive 3D is big if you are into 3D. I'm casually "interested" in the Sony 4K 65", but I'd really like to go up to 80-84" on my next TV. At 25,000...that will need to come down.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Nisei

Location:the Dutch Mountains
Blu-ray collection:293
Trading Score:25

...4K at 46" is madness. Who's gonna sit only 2 feet away from their TV screen?

You can’t fool me. There are no mountains in The Netherlands. I’ve been there and I didn't see any.
On the other hand, they don’t need them …http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...p-beer-ad.html

4K tie-in…http://www.fifa.com/confederationscu...ewsid=2064478/
What’s next after the Confed Cup in Brazil…the 2014 FIFA World Cup in 4K?

P.S.
Nisei, you are underestimating the distance required to derive full benefit from the rumored 46” Apple TV. I think you’re joking a bit about it but just so some readers don’t take that 2ft. distance mark as precise fact, referring to the classic paper referenced here (which may be available somewhere free online for those who don’t have SMPTE membership previledges)….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...te#post5922985

To quickly simplify and condense what was found, the results (human testing, i.e 200 adult subjects) showed a significant difference between a 33 arc-degree FOV (field of view) and 61 arc-degree FOV. There was no difference found above a 76.9 arc-degree visual angle. A difference between 61 arc-degrees and 76.9 arc-degrees was present but was not significant. Ergo, a 60 arc-degree FOV is used by imaging scientists to determine ‘full’ benefit from viewing 4K content on a 4K screen….as opposed to 30 degrees for HD content on HD TVs. Soooo, 60 arc-degrees translates into a 1.5 PH distance from the screen, which means that in order to derive full benefit from the rumored Apple TV, one could comfortably sit a tad over 3 ft. (if my math is correct) from their screen….not 2.

[keb33509]

Originally Posted by Esox50

True, the passive 3D is big if you are into 3D. I'm casually "interested" in the Sony 4K 65", but I'd really like to go up to 80-84" on my next TV. At 25,000...that will need to come down.

Totally understandable.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Apple users.

Peter, this should put a smile on your face (other than the hotties) - Samsung kicking Apple butt…http://business.financialpost.com/20...er_share=20081

[Nisei]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

http://business.financialpost.com/20...er_share=20081