4K Movies Releases

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

No. What I wrote is that Red-Ray cannot be 4K's savior. This is different. I think that it would be a terrible mistake if someone decided to push a new physical format for 4K content that isn't backwards compatible with Blu-ray.

that is how I understood your first post, and I agree

My "vested interest" has been the same for many years, long before Blu-ray came to exist, and long before DVD came to exist - I wish to own hard-copies of the films I like to have in my library. I don't want a second party monitoring what I view, when I can view it, and/or deciding what I should view. It is that simple.

agree except that I don't mind if they are "HARD" or "hard". I don't care if it is digital (BD is digital, DVD was digital) just not virtual. For me it needs to make sense and that means no extravagant extra costs (I don't want to have to buy 100 2TB drives for my collection but if there comes a day where a PB drive will be 100$ storage will most likely not be an issue) and it needs to be transferable without a tether (I am not interesting in selling the copies of films I bought, so that is not an issue for me, but if I decide to copy some of my films to my 10GB USB drive to bring with me t6o the cottage, it should be easy without an internet connection, if I buy a new device I should be able to transfer the films easily...). Like you said "I don't want a second party monitoring what I view, when I can view it, and/or deciding what I should view. It is that simple", once I purchase a film the merchant and the studio should be out of the equation like it is now. I don't consider it "owning a copy of the film" if I can go to watch it and (for example streaming) I can't because there is issues with the internet, or I buy a new device and I need to connect to some web site to DL them and I can't because that option has gone out of business or their contract for that title no longer exists....

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

....Let's wait and see how things turn out. The months ahead will be quite interesting. You can count on me - when the time is right, I will comment.

C’mon Pro, that’s the only interesting information you’ve actually given. The rest is just an exercise in debate semantics which I find boring.

Reveal these anti-Blu-ray conspirators you alluded to as “familiar faces”. Let’s put pressure on them now by exposing their interference/obstructionism within the BDA, which you’ve accused them of. Not after the freaking horse has left the barn.

Now something actually interesting which I would like to hear your thoughts about…rather than making forecasts, since you’ve expressed your opinion about RED and I think I already know how you feel about Netflix, is whether you feel *betrayed* by Sony in this 4K affair so far.

What I mean is since they were a BIG influence in making Blu-ray happen and now that they have been especially proactive in trying to establish a 4K distribution platform initially based on downloads with the implication that they see streaming as a viable option for 4K delivery in the future…how do you feel about that?

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Of course not. I don't know anybody who thinks or would think they are.

Oh lord, do you think Blu-rays(HD) which are sold today are “exact replicas of the studio masters” derived from 2K sources? On the other hand, don’t answer that, I don’t want to encourage further back-and-forth *debate*. I’ll read the rest of your post. You’re right I’m totally “confused” about your stance.

I think he ment with 4K resolution movies will basically be just like the studio masters. Not exact replicas. But then again, as you've already mentioned before, blurays we have now are basically close to the masters anyway. As far as 2K goes. And some are better than what was shown in theaters. Toy Story is one example. The bluray is rendered at a much higher resolution than what we originally saw in 95.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Heck, before that a lot were claiming that 4K would be a non–starter to begin with (i.e. never happen) and then, as time goes by, they conveniently *move the goal posts* with their forecasting.

b.t.w., since you are a fan (as am I) of ‘tres jolie’ (Pro has got me speaking French now ), in case you’re unaware, this interview is available. Been awhile since I watched it but I like the line that goes something like ‘only in Hollywood would you get extra credit for Therapy’.

Inside The Actors Studio - Angelina Jolie - YouTube

Well i find all her interview's funny

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by saprano

Toy Story is one example. The bluray is rendered at a much higher resolution than what we originally saw in 95.

Not higher than the 35mm at that time?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

I think he ment with 4K resolution movies will basically be just like the studio masters. Not exact replicas. But then again, as you've already mentioned before, blurays we have now are basically close to the masters anyway. As far as 2K goes. And some are better than what was shown in theaters. Toy Story is one example. The bluray is rendered at a much higher resolution than what we originally saw in 95.

The premise of having made this an issue in the first place is silly and a waste of time unless you like to play debate games with wordage because the native resolution (be it ‘4k’, ‘2k’ or ‘1080’) is of little significance even if there were 2KBD’s and 4KBD’s. The obvious fact of the matter is that there is no end-to-end workflow going from a “studio master”, no matter what the resolution of current or future Blu-rays, to consumer formats.

These things are compressed and colorspace converted from their original source and in that process some PQ is compromised.

[Penton-Man]

Pagemaster, your favorite company is in the news…albeit the grain of salt rumor mill -

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130326PD218.html

[Penton-Man]

3net Studios is bolstering their 4K roster - http://realscreen.com/2013/03/25/3ne...lopment-slate/

[Brightstar]

alot of new movies are finished in 2k so why should i upgrade to 4k ? that's what i don't understand

http://www.techhive.com/article/2024...ead-to-4k.html

I like the following statement Blu-ray Discs labeled as “Mastered in 4K

[Penton-Man]

jolie –
Right now 4K, at both the production level and the consumer level, is still in the early evolutionary stage with consumer 4K being barely neonatal. Before heading off to NAB, I could probably dig up or compose at least a partially complete list for you of all the feature motion pictures which have already been mastered in 4K (at the post production stage) to at least give you an idea of what is potentially available in the future to the home entertainment divisions of various studios and you could see if any of them are your favorites…assuming that is you’re the type that watches your movies multiple times.

I haven’t checked recently, but last time I did, 1 feature film a month was being mastered in 4K. I would suspect that it is at least that now, and possibly 2/month.

The content will eventually come in due course with various means of distribution. The hurdle, which won’t change over time, without additional 4K enhancements like HFR or increased color bit depth will be to convince potential buyers that you can actually perceive much difference between 4K displays and full HD displays beyond 2PH viewing distance. On the other hand, that won’t be much of an issue if the consumer electronics companies adopt long-term planned obsolescence for HD tvs making 4K tvs eventually as ubiquitous as HD tvs are today.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Pagemaster, your favorite company is in the news…albeit the grain of salt rumor mill -

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130326PD218.html

I can and can't see Apple making a large screen TV for a living room. The future of Apple is up in the air IMO, they make a good iPhone, iPad, iPod and a great Apple TV, but it seems the idea of making an iWatch or a large screen tv is nothing something worth pursuing.

Just today I saw Consumers Reports talk about a new LG tv that is 4K and cost $28,000.

[Steedeel]

Oh and 4k TV will stay at those prices for ever.

[saprano]

These things are compressed and colorspace converted from their original source and in that process some PQ is compromised.

This is something i brought up before too. The massive compression alone makes our home video versions completely different from the masters. So i don't think studios will be worried at all selling 4KBD's for $30.

[img eL]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Just today I saw Consumers Reports talk about a new LG tv that is 4K and cost $28,000.

LG 84'' 4K sets are already going for under $15,000 @ a lot of retailers

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

jolie –
Right now 4K, at both the production level and the consumer level, is still in the early evolutionary stage with consumer 4K being barely neonatal. Before heading off to NAB, I could probably dig up or compose at least a partially complete list for you of all the feature motion pictures which have already been mastered in 4K (at the post production stage) to at least give you an idea of what is potentially available in the future to the home entertainment divisions of various studios and you could see if any of them are your favorites…assuming that is you’re the type that watches your movies multiple times.

I haven’t checked recently, but last time I did, 1 feature film a month was being mastered in 4K. I would suspect that it is at least that now, and possibly 2/month.

The content will eventually come in due course with various means of distribution. The hurdle, which won’t change over time, without additional 4K enhancements like HFR or increased color bit depth will be to convince potential buyers that you can actually perceive much difference between 4K displays and full HD displays beyond 2PH viewing distance. On the other hand, that won’t be much of an issue if the consumer electronics companies adopt long-term planned obsolescence for HD tvs making 4K tvs eventually as ubiquitous as HD tvs are today.

well i just just jumped to blu ray so i dont mind waiting another 10 years for 4k to take off

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by joliefan

well i just just jumped to blu ray so i dont mind waiting another 10 years for 4k to take off

It can be difficult to get reinvested…

Best Buy "Buy Back" Commercial - Technology moves fast - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

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On topic – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...th#post7288209

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[Penton-Man]

Sap – Sony XBR-84X900 review from a recognized calibrator (Jeff Meier) who did my Qualia 006 back in the day…

“To summarize this is the first product I have seen that I would consider to replace my Pioneer 151FD which is something I thought might not happen for many years. This is not to say it is without flaws. The anti-glare coatings on this along with the off-axis viewing are much worse than my Pioneer. I am excitedly waiting for the day when the price of these products drop to the point that more consumers can enter the age of 4K.“
http://homecinemaguru.com/?p=3655

[ZoetMB]

Yesterday's Apple rumor is that the Apple TV set is going to be 4K. However, past rumors indicated that it wasn't going to be a very large set - probably only 46", so I'm not sure what the point will be.

As for price, Apple has become far more of a consumer electronics company than an esoteric brand, so you wouldn't think they'd bother unless they could get the price down.

Time will tell...

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Sap – Sony XBR-84X900 review from a recognized calibrator (Jeff Meier) who did my Qualia 006 back in the day…

“To summarize this is the first product I have seen that I would consider to replace my Pioneer 151FD which is something I thought might not happen for many years. This is not to say it is without flaws. The anti-glare coatings on this along with the off-axis viewing are much worse than my Pioneer. I am excitedly waiting for the day when the price of these products drop to the point that more consumers can enter the age of 4K.“
http://homecinemaguru.com/?p=3655

Very interesting. Jeff Meier is a well known respectable calibrator so that review has my attention.

This is why when i gave my evaluation about the 84X900 a while back i said i would still need to see movies on it. Especially native.