Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

I agree.

But they dropped the ball hard w Venom who at the time still had major fan heat.

Absolutely. Casting Grace was the first sign that something was off. But I will say that when Venom is actually Venom, not Grace covered in black goo, he's mostly fine.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Elbie

Not like that clip homie.

That's some straight Young & The Restless there.

It's soap opera stuff for people who want these movies to just be quips and CGI action, not about real characters or real emotions.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

It's soap opera stuff for people who want these movies to just be quips and CGI action, not about real characters or real emotions.

Those were badly scripted emotions. Drama for drama sake.

It got rebooted. And failed again w the same nonsense on the next installment.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

I like Spiderman 3 but the last act left a bad taste in my mouth w the maskless Venom.
Its funny that folks were screwfaced about the dancing Peter (rightfully so) yet gives a pass to the dancing StarLord.

I've only seen the former once, but I recall the jazz dancing in SM3 being presented pretty straight, while Starlord dancing to distract Ronan was clearly a gag.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I'm sure they will clarify these things eventually. Maybe the Avengers roster will change dramatically after the Avengers 3, which could make Avengers 4 an intro movie for a new team?

Remember the post credits scene from the first movie where they are all eating schwarma (sp?)? Maybe after the ending in the 3rd movie, they are all on a mission to get their snack on, but have a REALLY hard time finding the place!

2018: Marvel's The Avengers: Infinity War

2019: Marvel's The Avengers go to White Castle

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

I've only seen the former once, but I recall the jazz dancing in SM3 being presented pretty straight, while Starlord dancing to distract Ronan was clearly a gag.

Key word- GAG

[Captain Flint]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Heaven forbid a guy get emotional and upset when the love of his life breaks up with him as he asks her to marry him. You comic dudes are weird.

Heaven forbid we want a fun comic book movie and not something overly serious and mopey. I don't get who non-comics readers are to judge what makes a good comic book movie.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Captain Flint

Heaven forbid we want a fun comic book movie and not something overly serious and mopey. I don't get who non-comics readers are to judge what makes a good comic book movie.

Because they're movies and not comic books. MIND BLOWN!

[Captain Flint]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Because they're movies and not comic books. MIND BLOWN!

But they're based on comic books. MIND BLOWN x2

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Captain Flint

But they're based on comic books.

Pardon my French but so the f**k what? Tons of movies are based on novels you never read or video games I never played as well, but in the end what matters is that they are GOOD MOVIES. Why this is something comic book fans especially cannot swallow will never make sense to me, but I would guess it's related to childhood impressions.

You can say Raimi's Spider-Man movies are poor adaptations if you really want to, but to say they're poor films is pretty silly. Especially if your main argument is that Toby Maguire displays emotion and the script has real drama in it.

[The Dragon]

I'm worried about how the culmination of the phases will end... It better not be a two hour movie! I know asking for 3 is a stretch... How about 2:45?

[GP Legend]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

You can say Raimi's Spider-Man movies are poor adaptations if you really want to, but to say they're poor films is pretty silly. Especially if your main argument is that Toby Maguire displays emotion and the script has real drama in it.

Except that "real emotion" is horribly acted and looks like a joke. I also wouldn't call it "real drama." It felt rather forced for the sake of drama. Stop brushing off people's legitimate complaints as them simply wanting one-liners and dumb cgi action. We have no problem with drama when it is done right.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by GP Legend

Except that "real emotion" is horribly acted and looks like a joke. I also wouldn't call it "real drama." It felt rather forced for the sake of drama. Stop brushing off people's legitimate complaints as them simply wanting one-liners and dumb cgi action. We have no problem with drama when it is done right.

Bingo

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

I'm worried about how the culmination of the phases will end... It better not be a two hour movie! I know asking for 3 is a stretch... How about 2:45?

It's still two movies...it'll probably be two films that are over two hours each.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by GP Legend

Except that "real emotion" is horribly acted and looks like a joke. I also wouldn't call it "real drama." It felt rather forced for the sake of drama. Stop brushing off people's legitimate complaints as them simply wanting one-liners and dumb cgi action. We have no problem with drama when it is done right.

Although for the most part Sam Raimi's Spider-Man did get the emotion right. It was just the Emo Peter stuff that was an embarrassing attempt at drama.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Although for the most part Sam Raimi's Spider-Man did get the emotion right. It was just the Emo Peter stuff that was an embarrassing attempt at drama.

Fighting Hobogoblin while retaining the wedding ring was terrible.

[Elbie]

Originally Posted by GP Legend

Except that "real emotion" is horribly acted and looks like a joke. I also wouldn't call it "real drama." It felt rather forced for the sake of drama. Stop brushing off people's legitimate complaints as them simply wanting one-liners and dumb cgi action. We have no problem with drama when it is done right.

No need for me to respond. You said it all!

[Lord Method Man]

Originally Posted by Captain Flint

I don't get who non-comics readers are to judge what makes a good comic book movie.

Without us these films wouldn't be getting made.

Maybe 20% of moviegoers have ever actually read comics, and that's being generous.

[aiman04]

I've never touched a DC or Marvel comic book ever.

[Walts Ghost]

Any fan of any source material wants it to be good and close to the source material. It isn't just comic fans that want that, and I think that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say. Should I point to the Jack Reacher threads where people are still upset about Cruise's casting since he doesn't resemble the character in the book? Or the numerous sites online that focus on the issues that the Harry Potter films compared to the books?

Being the best adaptation you can be isn't the only thing is important, sure. But it's still something that is important. When adaptations start going too far off course from what they're based on, you usually end up with inferior product. I think the only exception to that is many of the Bond films, but even then, there's a case to be made that many of them aren't as good as their book counterparts and could have been better had they stuck to the stories in the book.

I want good movies, as do most fans, both of the source material as well as the casual cinema goer. But I also want the movies to reflect their source, and it's silly to pretend they shouldn't.

As for Raimi's Spider-Man films, they were fairly accurate love letters to the earliest years of the comics. The emo Peter stuff gets too much focus on the things that first series does wrong. I'd say that a big reason those films do work is because of how honest they are about their love for the source material, but also doing their own thing when needed. They didn't change it so it's unrecognizable. But it's still clearly the Spider-Man story. Adhering to the source is key to making any adaptation work.