Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Boom. There. Done. Coulson established as alive to Iron Man and without any convoluted explanation.

I hate to quash your script-writing dreams but that would be incredibly lame. Of course it was already lame they brought him back in the first place, so I'll grant that you're working with flawed material.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

It is possible that they might do it in the comics one day given that Marvel have explored 'What if' storylines in the past.

I'd most definitely be interested in reading that

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Darth Marcus

Source: Nerdist

oh please god no!

that character is beyond annoying

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

And him being alive now would be confusing as hell (to anyone who didn't watch the show)

Not when Nick Fury is also alive, so they can just reference that to show it's perfectly normal in the world of comic books.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Not when Nick Fury is also alive, so they can just reference that to show it's perfectly normal in the world of comic books.

Nicky Fury FAKED his death. WTF is it with people also saying he and Coulson died. Only Coulson died in the most traditional sense and was revived using alien tech.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by sandman slim

Team her up with Rocket Raccoon and watch the fur fly!

[Show spoiler]Sorry, that was bad.

you should be ashamed :P

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Spider-Man:Homecoming is said to be a high-school comedy but the major difference is that his powers are not deliberately stupid. Can you imagine having a film where Squirrel Girl defeats Thanos with a pack of squirrels?


No, a dark/gritty MCU would be awful. But I believe there's a limit to what's believable and what's too daft to be taken with a degree of seriousness. I can take Groot and Rocket Racoon seriously because a big gun and tree trunks are credibly powerful whereas there's no credibility about Squirrel Girl's powers.

Perhaps Squirrel Girl would work as a kids' Saturday morning cartoon but I'm not convinced at all a live-action film would be any good.

dark and gritty work for the Netflix stuff....but I agree with you that it would nto work for the MCU.
I think Civil War is about as dark an gritty as the MCU should get ; some of the Winter Soliders stuff, and Starks storyline for example...dark enough for MCU in my opinion. Then again, should dark/gritty fit a new character, like it fits with Daredevil, Punisher etc, then and only then should the MCU go dark - to fit/suit and compliment the character

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by narmak

nicky fury faked his death. Wtf is it with people also saying he and coulson died. Only coulson died in the most traditional sense and was revived using alien tech.

this

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Nicky Fury FAKED his death. WTF is it with people also saying he and Coulson died. Only Coulson died in the most traditional sense and was revived using alien tech.

He was still believed dead. He is still dead to people who aren't the Avengers or S.H.I.E.L.D.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

He was still believed dead. He is still dead to people who aren't the Avengers or S.H.I.E.L.D.

Do you even know what you're arguing? You have to focus. He said it would be confusing to audiences to bring back Coulson and you mentioned Fury in response, despite the fact that we learned he was still alive in the same movie he faked his death. The audience knows Fury is alive - that was the point (and the difference you can't seem to grasp.)

[Batmon77]

Colson should be in Squirel Girl.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Do you even know what you're arguing? You have to focus. He said it would be confusing to audiences to bring back Coulson and you mentioned Fury in response, despite the fact that we learned he was still alive in the same movie he faked his death. The audience knows Fury is alive - that was the point (and the difference you can't seem to grasp.)

That's exactly why you'd mention Nick Fury in dialogue concerning Coulson still being alive though: to remind the audience that Fury seemingly died but actually survived. It doesn't matter that Nick Fury faked his death and Coulson didn't, the meaning is still the same.

[Thomas Guycott]

You don't even know what you're arguing anymore.

[Darkstream]

I'm starting to think Dalekbuster523Bluray is really Clark Gregg trolling us.

[StingingVelvet]

Even ignoring the fact the majority of the movie audience never saw Agents of SHIELD (which you shouldn't ignore but whatever) it's still just a poor plot and filmmaking choice to bring him back. You're going to cram more into a movie already too stuffed to ruin a climax moment from the first movie? Why? It's not like he was essential to the formula at all. It would just be a bad decision.

If they're going to shove TV stuff into the movies and risk confusing movie only people then it should at least be confined to something that makes sense, like seeing a quick montage of Daredevil and others fighting in New York during the end battle.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

COULSON

Did you miss me?

IRON MAN

.

But that's not possible. You died.

COULSON

As did Nick Fury. You know SHIELD: it's a magical place.

Boom. There. Done. Coulson established as alive to Iron Man and without any convoluted explanation.

[Show spoiler]The audience know that Nick Fury seemingly 'died' too so by reminding them of that they'd be showing there's nothing to question. Just let the audience either A: find out for themselves how Coulson survived or B: come up with their own theories.


Of course but there'd be no harm in the final battle showing all those faces arriving to help defeat Thanos. A cool nod for people who follow the TV Shows and just people teaming up to help the Avengers for everyone else. Coulson is the only one who needs an important cameo scene.

That just massively undermined the entire point of his death in the first film though without any consequence or care. Plus it doesn't even explain how he survived death, he got stabbed through the back, it's pretty definitive. If they wanted to bring his back into the films, they would have brought him back, but they haven't and the boat has passed.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Even ignoring the fact the majority of the movie audience never saw Agents of SHIELD (which you shouldn't ignore but whatever) it's still just a poor plot and filmmaking choice to bring him back. You're going to cram more into a movie already too stuffed to ruin a climax moment from the first movie? Why?

Because you can't bring Coulson back from the dead and not have the Avengers find out he's alive. That in my opinion is stupid.

Plus it doesn't even explain how he survived death, he got stabbed through the back, it's pretty definitive.

Who cares? It's not important how he came back, just that he is back and characters in the MCU have 'died' before then seemingly returned (even if Nick Fury's was a faked death, he is still believed to be dead by people who aren't Avengers or SHIELD).

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Because you can't bring Coulson back from the dead and not have the Avengers find out he's alive. That in my opinion is stupid.


Who cares? It's not important how he came back, just that he is back and characters in the MCU have 'died' before then seemingly returned (even if Nick Fury's was a faked death, he is still believed to be dead by people who aren't Avengers or SHIELD).

The audience Dalek, the audience would care.

It might just be me as well, but I'm not seeing what's important about him returning. Like Ultron did fine without him having to come back.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Because you can't bring Coulson back from the dead and not have the Avengers find out he's alive. That in my opinion is stupid.

As Whedon basically said though, in the movie universe he's dead. You just seem obsessed with continuity connections, which seems like a comic book fan thing, but these movies don't need that stuff.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by Foggy

The audience Dalek, the audience would care.

Did the audience care when Missy came back in Doctor Who The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar without an explanation as to how she avoided her death? Or in Hot Fuzz when Nicholas Angel's partner Danny was seemingly shot by the old man from the neighborhood watch only to reveal he was somehow still alive at the end of the film?

Not everything needs to be explained. The audience can either use their imagination or if they really want look up - in the case of Coulson - look up Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to find out how he was resurrected.