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Ruined · 11-09-2018, 07:30 PM

Wow these new 4k transfers are awesome! Glad i got a good preorder price on these.

MassiveMovieBuff · 11-09-2018, 07:42 PM

Just ordered First Blood. So I guess Studio Canal did a pretty solid job on these?

newgen2005 · 11-09-2018, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Just ordered First Blood. So I guess Studio Canal did a pretty solid job on these?

First Blood looks good, although it doesn't stand out as much as II & III. I have always found First Blood to look pretty good on Blu-ray, II & III never looked good! So these UHD releases are a real upgrade!

Bates_Motel · 11-09-2018, 07:54 PM

Just looking at the caps, they've definitely been tealed. And way too much blue in the blacks, which is not natural to the original photography. Although I have seen instances of HDR to SDR making caps look more blue/teal than they look on-screen, so I guess we'll see.

The elevated blacks looks pretty bad, too, but again, could be from the conversion, but at least in caps the blacks are way too washed out. Looks like very modern digital grades and not like 1980s films in the slightest.

But again, I don't trust caps to be 100% representative in UHD cases.

kamkam · 11-09-2018, 08:08 PM

so the reviewer said there isnt dolby vision? is this true? if so what a shame

BLMN · 11-09-2018, 08:33 PM

Received the German steelbook:

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Noremac Mij · 11-09-2018, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Just looking at the caps, they've definitely been tealed. And way too much blue in the blacks, which is not natural to the original photography. Although I have seen instances of HDR to SDR making caps look more blue/teal than they look on-screen, so I guess we'll see.

The elevated blacks looks pretty bad, too, but again, could be from the conversion, but at least in caps the blacks are way too washed out. Looks like very modern digital grades and not like 1980s films in the slightest.

Teal is very prominent in original prints of 2001, Aliens, Blade Runner, The Terminator, etc. I go out of my way to watch as many as I can every year. And have a very good idea when it comes time to judge Blu/UHD color grading. If you’re implying that these movies did not have teal originally, then I know with certainty you haven’t seen any original prints and are just shaking the air needlessly.

Bates_Motel · 11-09-2018, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Teal is very prominent in original prints of 2001, Aliens, Blade Runner, The Terminator, etc. I go out of my way to watch as many as I can every year. And have a very good idea when it comes time to judge Blu/UHD color grading. If you’re implying that these movies did not have teal originally, then I know with certainty you haven’t seen any original prints and are just shaking the air needlessly.

I've projected prints of Blade Runner, Terminator, and Aliens, Rambo II and First Blood, so I know the teal in the blu-rays is definitely NOT hot original prints looked. There is some "teal" in certain shots, but none of those films had blu-ish blacks like the blu-rays have. That's 100% a modern DI color grading technique that unfortunately affects some of the remasters these days. Not sure why you mentioned Terminator, Blade Runner, etc, but none of those discs look like the original theatrical prints either, not that it's part of this discussion.

I have also color graded 3 films as of now and am familiar with how that works, and what digital grading can do as opposed to photochemical film grading.

So yeah, I know that the original prints looked like, and none of them were as "blue" as these caps, at least, present. And since I also said (which you ignored) that UHD caps aren't always representative of how they actually look on a TV, then I stand 100% by exactly everything I said. Everything looks pretty good on these, except the revisionist bluish blacks (in the caps, anyway).

KubrickKurasawa · 11-09-2018, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Just ordered First Blood. So I guess Studio Canal did a pretty solid job on these?

Studiocanal impressed me with their 4K release of They Live. Looks like a brand spankin new 35mm print of it to me with better color because of the WCG this standard brings. Studiocanal is on the right track it seems from others response here. I'll get around to at least watching First Blood soon. I used to watch it on my S-VHS and Sony Trinitron and Stereo speakers back in the 90's so it's been awhile LOL!

jrcorwin3 · 11-09-2018, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Teal is very prominent in original prints of 2001, Aliens, Blade Runner, The Terminator, etc. I go out of my way to watch as many as I can every year. And have a very good idea when it comes time to judge Blu/UHD color grading. If you’re implying that these movies did not have teal originally, then I know with certainty you haven’t seen any original prints and are just shaking the air needlessly.

When did you view the prints?

tcripe · 11-09-2018, 09:08 PM

Review for First Blood is up everyone!

Latheofheaven · 11-09-2018, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gates70

Yeah, my bad, I forgot that the US is the center of the universe and that nobody else resides in NA...wasn't hard to figure out actually since my location is right there on the left....and I was talking to another Canadian fellow until you rudely interrupted us with you being condescending.

Noremac Mij · 11-09-2018, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jrcorwin3

When did you view the prints?

Sometime in the 2000s for Rambo movies. Saw Aliens 70mm and 2001 70mm both original prints within the past two years. I see about 15-20 original prints a year, for example, I’ve just seen Akira and Beetlejuice. I could make a list of everything, but it would be pointless.

Latheofheaven · 11-09-2018, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gates70

What's your equipment?

That's a rather personal question, isn't it...?

captainsolo · 11-09-2018, 09:27 PM

Geez...I can't quite buy First Blood having color like that. Particularly on an original release print.

Noremac are you sure you saw a vintage print? It's very common for theaters today to get nothing but later studio reissue and vaulted prints made off of later digital iterations that aren't themselves correct. Unless you can get an inside source to tell you what the studio or distributor sent over you have to try and guess by dating the wear and tear or studio logos.

brainofj72 · 11-09-2018, 09:30 PM

This looks like a huge upgrade in pretty much every way, but BOY do I hate the color change here: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...125004&i=1&l=0

I’ve always loved the cinematography in this movie; the gray skies and cold mountain atmosphere are beautiful. But the teal push destroys that in this cap. Hmm.

Havok-San · 11-09-2018, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by brainofj72

I’ve always loved the cinematography in this movie; the gray skies and cold mountain atmosphere are beautiful. But the teal push destroys that in this cap. Hmm.

I'm not typically like this, but I gotta say it rubs me the wrong way as well.

Noremac Mij · 11-09-2018, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by brainofj72

This looks like a huge upgrade in pretty much every way, but BOY do I hate the color change here: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...125004&i=1&l=0

I’ve always loved the cinematography in this movie; the gray skies and cold mountain atmosphere are beautiful. But the teal push destroys that in this cap. Hmm.

Looks absolutely amazing and spot on to “original photography” as a term some like to use these days.

Noremac Mij · 11-09-2018, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by captainsolo

Geez...I can't quite buy First Blood having color like that. Particularly on an original release print.

Noremac are you sure you saw a vintage print? It's very common for theaters today to get nothing but later studio reissue and vaulted prints made off of later digital iterations that aren't themselves correct. Unless you can get an inside source to tell you what the studio or distributor sent over you have to try and guess by dating the wear and tear or studio logos.

Vintage original print and more than once. Obviously nothing is ever going to be absolutely 100% identical, but it’s so close as to be spot on. This is a tremendous release. All three movies.

Pieter V · 11-09-2018, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pieter V

No idea if it affects the 4K Blu-ray, but I did notice black spatter here.

@0.36

Ohers trailers also have some white spatter.

To answer my findings. The spots are also on the 4K Blu-ray.

11-09-2018, 07:54 PM	#704
Bates_Motel Banned Member since:Jul 2014 Location:Los Angeles Trading Score:2	Just looking at the caps, they've definitely been tealed. And way too much blue in the blacks, which is not natural to the original photography. Although I have seen instances of HDR to SDR making caps look more blue/teal than they look on-screen, so I guess we'll see. The elevated blacks looks pretty bad, too, but again, could be from the conversion, but at least in caps the blacks are way too washed out. Looks like very modern digital grades and not like 1980s films in the slightest. But again, I don't trust caps to be 100% representative in UHD cases. Last edited by Bates_Motel; 11-09-2018 at 08:34 PM.

11-09-2018, 07:30 PM	#701
Ruined Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Sep 2009 Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:1	Wow these new 4k transfers are awesome! Glad i got a good preorder price on these.

11-09-2018, 07:42 PM	#702
MassiveMovieBuff Blu-ray Count Member since:Apr 2014 4K collection:414 Blu-ray collection:1627 DVD collection:97 Trading Score:3	Just ordered First Blood. So I guess Studio Canal did a pretty solid job on these?

11-09-2018, 08:08 PM	#705
kamkam Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2013 Blu-ray reviews:14	so the reviewer said there isnt dolby vision? is this true? if so what a shame

11-09-2018, 08:33 PM	#706
BLMN Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2011 Location:Southern NH 4K collection:253 Blu-ray collection:736 DVD collection:36 Digital collection:7 Trading Score:8	Received the German steelbook: [Show spoiler]

11-09-2018, 09:08 PM	#711
tcripe Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2018 Location:Seattle	Review for First Blood is up everyone!

11-09-2018, 09:27 PM	#715
captainsolo Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2011 4K collection:155 Blu-ray collection:1268 DVD collection:353 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:19	Geez...I can't quite buy First Blood having color like that. Particularly on an original release print. Noremac are you sure you saw a vintage print? It's very common for theaters today to get nothing but later studio reissue and vaulted prints made off of later digital iterations that aren't themselves correct. Unless you can get an inside source to tell you what the studio or distributor sent over you have to try and guess by dating the wear and tear or studio logos.

11-09-2018, 09:30 PM	#716
brainofj72 Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:USA 4K collection:1040 Blu-ray collection:3618 DVD collection:817 Digital collection:150 iTunes collection:140 Trading Score:152	This looks like a huge upgrade in pretty much every way, but BOY do I hate the color change here: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...125004&i=1&l=0 I’ve always loved the cinematography in this movie; the gray skies and cold mountain atmosphere are beautiful. But the teal push destroys that in this cap. Hmm.

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