First Blood / Rambo: First Blood Part II / Rambo III 4K UHDs (1982-1988)

[notops]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Because I don’t mind the extra detail. I care for the overall aesthetic. UHD, HDR, and OLED are giving me the closest thing to 35mm print at home that I’ve ever seen. And I’m loving it tremendously!

You're happy with the black levels offered by HDR? That's about as revisionist as it gets. It was (and remains) impossible to achieve anything even remotely close to that level of black on a 35mm projector.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by notops

You're happy with the black levels offered by HDR? That's about as revisionist as it gets. It was (and remains) impossible to achieve anything even remotely close to that level of black on a 35mm projector.

[notops]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Sorry, but that's a fact. Explain to me logically why that deserved the eye roll

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

[Markgway]

etc...

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by notops

You're happy with the black levels offered by HDR? That's about as revisionist as it gets. It was (and remains) impossible to achieve anything even remotely close to that level of black on a 35mm projector.

Yeah every time I go to the theater I am reminded how shit the black levels are. An LCD without any local dimming is probably more "projection accurate" than an OLED.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Because I don’t mind the extra detail. I care for the overall aesthetic. UHD, HDR, and OLED are giving me the closest thing to 35mm print at home that I’ve ever seen. And I’m loving it tremendously!

Says someone who doesn't realize that the grade matters BEFORE the HDR and everything else is applied. If black levels or colors are incorrect, none of your fancy initials will fix it.

(Also says someone who will take whatever he's given and proclaim it great just because of those fancy initials, regardless of whether or not it is correct to the actual look of the films.)

[notops]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Yeah every time I go to the theater I am reminded how shit the black levels are. An LCD without any local dimming is probably more "projection accurate" than an OLED.

Yep. It took me a few screenings once they reopened the New Beverly Cinema in LA for me to get back into the swing of things. I was crushed (pardon the pun) when the realities of black levels on projected film reared their ugly head.

I'm fine with it now, but it's still strange when I get home from a screening and flick on my TV and go back to HDR-land.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Yeah every time I go to the theater I am reminded how shit the black levels are. An LCD without any local dimming is probably more "projection accurate" than an OLED.

A load of nonsense.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Says someone who doesn't realize that the grade matters BEFORE the HDR and everything else is applied. If black levels or colors are incorrect, none of your fancy initials will fix it.

(Also says someone who will take whatever he's given and proclaim it great just because of those fancy initials, regardless of whether or not it is correct to the actual look of the films.)

What are you talking about?

[notops]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

A load of nonsense.

You claimed to own personal 35 mm prints. After that statement of yours, I question if you've ever even seen a 35 mm print of a movie.

It's physically impossible to simulate the black levels of HDR content (on an OLED, no less ) by shining a lamp through a black filter of film. That's why non HDR blacks look greyish by comparison.

You'll just have to roll your eyes at the laws of physics on that one

[ROSS.T.G.]

Yeah I’m not sure I agree with much of what’s being said here. It’s one extreme to the next lol.

[Trekkie313]

Are the slips likely gone by now?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by notops

You claimed to own personal 35 mm prints. After that statement of yours, I question if you've ever even seen a 35 mm print of a movie.

It's physically impossible to simulate the black levels of HDR content (on an OLED, no less ) by shining a lamp through a black filter of film. That's why non HDR blacks look greyish by comparison.

You'll just have to roll your eyes at the laws of physics on that one

Yep. When this tiny strip of film has light blasted through it onto a reflective screen then black levels are the first thing to suffer, it's why gamma is so super-high on release prints, it's an attempt to give it a decent level of contrast in that environment. There are other methods that people have used to create deeper black levels like bleach bypass and other related processes, which leaves a layer of undeveloped silver on the film that would otherwise be washed off. This extra layer adds density and literally blocks more light from coming through, David Fincher used it on Se7en because he wanted the image to disappear into the darkness in the theater, that people wouldn't know where the screen ended and the border began. And while I may not have seen a 35mm print in 8 years I've seen plenty of 15/70 IMAX prints in that time and their blacks were bang average as well.

Not saying that all this "perfect black" and "infinite contrast" isn't something to aim for if we can get it - hence laser projectors being used in the cinema to deliver much higher contrast and proper 'off' blacks - but meh blacks have been a fixture of cinema for quite some time, and it's not just a modern digital malaise. Even my ZD9 does black levels that smash anything I've seen in a cinema for as long as I can remember (though the Sony 4K projector for Alien the other night was better than some I've seen), never mind what an OLED can do.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not saying that all this "perfect black" and "infinite contrast" isn't something to aim for if we can get it - hence laser projectors being used in the cinema to deliver much higher contrast and proper 'off' blacks - but meh blacks have been a fixture of cinema for quite some time, and it's not just a modern digital malaise. Even my ZD9 does black levels that smash anything I've seen in a cinema for as long as I can remember (though the Sony 4K projector for Alien the other night was better than some I've seen), never mind what an OLED can do.

The typical commercial theater DLP here in the states is around 2,000:1 native contrast. I'm guessing the SXRD theater is 6-8,000:1 (working off what many SXRD front projectors reach at max calibrated lumens). I was told the ZD9 with a single pixel on measures around 45,000:1?

[ray0414]

Not sure if this has been posted, but for those wondering why there's no 4k of Rambo (2008) on disc or digital, Bill Hunt said today that this because that movie was originally Weinstein collaboration and the rights now belong to Spyglass, not Paramount.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Not sure if this has been posted, but for those wondering why there's no 4k of Rambo (2008) on disc or digital, Bill Hunt said today that this because that movie was originally Weinstein collaboration and the rights now belong to Spyglass, not Paramount.

Is this quote online somewhere?

How would Spyglass have gotten the rights to this film, and why would Paramount have anything to do with it?

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by BNex99

Is this quote online somewhere?

How would Spyglass have gotten the rights to this film, and why would Paramount would have anything to do with it?

Meant Lionsgate/Studio Canal. And it's on his Twitter account Today.

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Meant Lionsgate/Studio Canal. And it's on his Twitter account Today.

Thanks. Sorry if my tone seemed snarky; I was honestly confused.

Read the story about Spyglass acquiring Weinstein assets. Interesting.

[jonam]

Can anyone tell me if the audio tracks on these movies are from the original stems and not tinkered like the Halloween movie?