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Old 03-10-2008, 04:38 AM   #1
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Default Why don’t we see film grain in theaters?

I’d really appreciate it if somebody could educate me on this.
So the logic I hear for the presence of film grain in BD’s is that their resolution is higher, which gives us more detail and in turn we can also see the fine grain which is inherent in film. But the resolution of film is higher than a BD, so why can’t we see the grain in theaters? Is it because of the screen size? If so, if I blow up my BD to a 110inch screen will the grain be unnoticeable? Or is it because of the analogue method in theaters and the digital method in home use?
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I saw a lot of grain in 300 in theaters. So much grain that it seemed it was swarming with mosquito near a swamp. I saw the same thing on blu-ray too.
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Old 03-10-2008, 04:44 AM   #3
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You see it but it appears more spread out. So you just don't notice it. trust me it's there.
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Old 03-10-2008, 04:54 AM   #4
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tell me about it, i literally have to spray some Raids whenever i watch 300 because i thought it was a swamp of mosquito
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Old 03-10-2008, 04:54 AM   #5
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I see it in every film I go to, no matter what

Probably because the screen is so large, you're concentrating on only segments of the picture, rather than taking the whole thing in, and therefore dismissing the grain theatrically
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Old 03-10-2008, 04:57 AM   #6
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im not really sure what your talking about. i think grain is much more noticeable in the theatres then at home, as it should be.
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Old 03-10-2008, 05:04 AM   #7
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Um, maybe the film projection was out of focus? Or perhaps the theater had bad quality projectors with bad quality lenses?

I've seen a lot of grain with some movies. Films shot in Super35 format tend to be more grainy than others. Sometimes that's on purpose. Oceans 11 had to be one of the most grainy movies I'd ever seen in the theater.
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Old 03-10-2008, 05:05 AM   #8
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thats what i was thinking i notice it all the time.

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im not really sure what your talking about. i think grain is much more noticeable in the theatres then at home, as it should be.
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Old 03-10-2008, 05:14 AM   #9
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I see it fairly regularly myself. Its not obvious in all films, but in some its very visible.

The grain in 300 was left obvious on purpose I do believe. To give it a kind of raw atmosphere.
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Um, maybe the film projection was out of focus? Or perhaps the theater had bad quality projectors with bad quality lenses?
That has to be the reason. Most of the time it's a somewhat blurry image that always comes across.
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Old 03-10-2008, 05:54 AM   #11
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Huh? My theatres are nothing BUT GRAIN.

I think you're watching digital theatres, those are few and far inbetween around to drive locally.
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Old 03-10-2008, 09:49 AM   #12
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I see it in theaters all the time. You're just not viewing with the same amount of scrutiny that you apply when watching at home.
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You see alot of grain in a movie like 300 because the entire movie was filmed on a blu/green screen so the grain also helps masks the digital cut in effects.
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But did you guys see grain back when you watched Terminator 2 in the theater? (since the BD has noticeable grain)
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You see alot of grain in a movie like 300 because the entire movie was filmed on a blu/green screen so the grain also helps masks the digital cut in effects.
The grain is only there as a visual style thing. Nothing else.

Effects compositing is very precise, especially when the production has the luxury of using a digital intermediate. Coarse looking "grain" -which is often nothing more than a bunch of artificial digital noise wouldn't do much to hide poorly defined edges on keyed objects.

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You'll see grain in the image with digital projection equipped theaters.
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You see alot of grain in a movie like 300 because the entire movie was filmed on a blu/green screen so the grain also helps masks the digital cut in effects.
Exactly, if this movie had no grain it would look as fake as a three dollar bill.
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Old 03-10-2008, 02:25 PM   #18
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Are you for real? I see grain in theatres alllll the time. Thats why the first time I noticed grain on a BD I thought to myself "wow, this is just like the theatre"
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Old 03-10-2008, 02:29 PM   #19
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Yeah, I'm for real. Maybe the theaters in your country display much sharper, focused images than mine. I honestly don't remember seeing noticeable grain on any of the films I've watched in theaters here. That's why I'm confused
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Old 03-10-2008, 02:56 PM   #20
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It's there.. it's only plastered 1000x you're screen size so it's diluated..
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