I now see film grain - Blu-ray Forum

ay221 · 11-16-2007, 02:58 AM

I upgraded my projector from my Sony HS51 720p to the new Panasonic AE2000 1080p. I can now see film grain on movies like the remastered Fifth Element. However I see a LOT more detail. I can notice the sweat and facial features alot more, as well as the nicer backgrounds. I will watch Ratatouille next.

ryoohki · 11-16-2007, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ay221

I upgraded my projector from my Sony HS51 720p to the new Panasonic AE2000 1080p. I can now see film grain on movies like the remastered Fifth Element. However I see a LOT more detail. I can notice the sweat and facial features alot more, as well as the nicer backgrounds. I will watch Ratatouille next.

1080p is more Precise for the same screen size, so it's normal....

SingingTheBlues · 11-16-2007, 03:15 AM

That's one of the reasons I'm not in a hurry to jump to 1080p. One thing I don't like about my 768p (1366x768) TV that accepts 1080i is that I can see the jaggies on the text from over 10 feet away. The picture looks great from that distance, but text angles... very bothersome for me.

ay221 · 11-16-2007, 03:57 AM

I should point out, I understand I'm seeing more of the original print. I will gladly have that, if I have more detail.

docjan_uk · 11-16-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SingingTheBlues

That's one of the reasons I'm not in a hurry to jump to 1080p. One thing I don't like about my 768p (1366x768) TV that accepts 1080i is that I can see the jaggies on the text from over 10 feet away. The picture looks great from that distance, but text angles... very bothersome for me.

1080P on a native screen would actually improve that.

NutsAboutPS3 · 11-16-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SingingTheBlues

That's one of the reasons I'm not in a hurry to jump to 1080p. One thing I don't like about my 768p (1366x768) TV that accepts 1080i is that I can see the jaggies on the text from over 10 feet away. The picture looks great from that distance, but text angles... very bothersome for me.

I actually found that going from a 32" 1366x768 TV to a 46" 1920x1080 has resulted in a less grainy picture. I think that perhaps the 768 TV's downsizing algorithm was sharpening at the same time, causing both slight jaggies and increased graininess. The 1080 picture is just better in every possible way, I say go for it if you're considering the upgrade.

undertaker76 · 11-16-2007, 08:32 AM

i have the sony kdf50e2010 its native resolution is 768 or 720 x3 i have no problems with grain or lettering on 1080i

welwynnick · 11-16-2007, 10:33 AM

I really don't like grain either, but it does vary from film to film.

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Originally Posted by SingingTheBlues

That's one of the reasons I'm not in a hurry to jump to 1080p. One thing I don't like about my 768p (1366x768) TV that accepts 1080i is that I can see the jaggies on the text from over 10 feet away. The picture looks great from that distance, but text angles... very bothersome for me.

If you can see artifacts at that distance it must be poor video processing. 1080p is definitely the way forwards with Blu-ray IMHO. Chicken Little or Ratatouille at 1080p24 are quite remarkable.

Nick

MOONPHASE · 11-16-2007, 10:35 AM

the only film with grain i actually enjoyed was 300 because it was put on their perfectly

bootman · 11-16-2007, 11:50 AM

The more detail you flesh out, the more grain you will notice.
There is no getting around that.

If you do anything to soften the grain, you also soften the detail.

patrick99 · 11-16-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bootman

If you do anything to soften the grain, you also soften the detail.

I wish the people at Warner would wake up and realize this.

docjan_uk · 11-16-2007, 12:12 PM

I have to agree, I'm going to watch Oceans 13 again but I have to say, I was a leeeetle dissapointed in the picture.

I remember it having a very cinematic feel but I found a lot of the big cityscapes to lack a certain... character/detail to them?
e.g. I noticed the sky to look somewhat washed out. Honestly I like the detail and if it means coming with grain, then so be it. Infact often times, it works well and of course brings us closer to the directors intent.

UTVOL06 · 11-16-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ay221

I upgraded my projector from my Sony HS51 720p to the new Panasonic AE2000 1080p. I can now see film grain on movies like the remastered Fifth Element. However I see a LOT more detail. I can notice the sweat and facial features alot more, as well as the nicer backgrounds. I will watch Ratatouille next.

Ratatouille wont have any grain

Watching Rescue Dawn last night it was grain and noise free with tons of detail..encoded at 34MBPS in AVC

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patrick99 · 11-16-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by docjan_uk

I have to agree, I'm going to watch Oceans 13 again but I have to say, I was a leeeetle dissapointed in the picture.

I remember it having a very cinematic feel but I found a lot of the big cityscapes to lack a certain... character/detail to them?
e.g. I noticed the sky to look somewhat washed out. Honestly I like the detail and if it means coming with grain, then so be it. Infact often times, it works well and of course brings us closer to the directors intent.

Disappointment with the PQ is so often the reaction to Warner high def releases.

UTVOL06 · 11-16-2007, 12:29 PM

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Disappointment with the PQ is so often the reaction to Warner high def releases.

I agree, they don't have very many out with good PQ...License to Wed had good PQ though.

patrick99 · 11-16-2007, 12:44 PM

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I agree, they don't have very many out with good PQ...License to Wed had good PQ though.

I shut that one off very quickly for reasons unrelated to PQ.

UTVOL06 · 11-16-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by patrick99

I shut that one off very quickly for reasons unrelated to PQ.

It wasn't that bad.

patrick99 · 11-16-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by UTVOL06

It wasn't that bad.

Perhaps I should give it another try.

bootman · 11-16-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by patrick99

I wish the people at Warner would wake up and realize this.

Warner's problem is encoding to the lowest common denominator.

bootman · 11-16-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by UTVOL06

Ratatouille wont have any grain

Watching Rescue Dawn last night it was grain and noise free with tons of detail..encoded at 34MBPS in AVC

.

Well, Ratatouille isn't film based so you shouldn't see any.

11-16-2007, 02:58 AM	#1
ay221 Special Member Member since:Oct 2006	I now see film grain I upgraded my projector from my Sony HS51 720p to the new Panasonic AE2000 1080p. I can now see film grain on movies like the remastered Fifth Element. However I see a LOT more detail. I can notice the sweat and facial features alot more, as well as the nicer backgrounds. I will watch Ratatouille next.

11-16-2007, 08:32 AM	#7
undertaker76 Member Member since:Oct 2007	1080i grain i have the sony kdf50e2010 its native resolution is 768 or 720 x3 i have no problems with grain or lettering on 1080i

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11-16-2007, 03:15 AM	#3
SingingTheBlues Banned Member since:Nov 2007	That's one of the reasons I'm not in a hurry to jump to 1080p. One thing I don't like about my 768p (1366x768) TV that accepts 1080i is that I can see the jaggies on the text from over 10 feet away. The picture looks great from that distance, but text angles... very bothersome for me.

11-16-2007, 03:57 AM	#4
ay221 Special Member Member since:Oct 2006	I should point out, I understand I'm seeing more of the original print. I will gladly have that, if I have more detail.

11-16-2007, 10:35 AM	#9
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	the only film with grain i actually enjoyed was 300 because it was put on their perfectly

11-16-2007, 11:50 AM	#10
bootman Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:The Burghs	The more detail you flesh out, the more grain you will notice. There is no getting around that. If you do anything to soften the grain, you also soften the detail.

11-16-2007, 12:12 PM	#12
docjan_uk Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray reviews:5	I have to agree, I'm going to watch Oceans 13 again but I have to say, I was a leeeetle dissapointed in the picture. I remember it having a very cinematic feel but I found a lot of the big cityscapes to lack a certain... character/detail to them? e.g. I noticed the sky to look somewhat washed out. Honestly I like the detail and if it means coming with grain, then so be it. Infact often times, it works well and of course brings us closer to the directors intent.

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