I fear for 4k Disks...

[cbb223]

I personally can't wait for UHD content to start getting released. That means blu-rays will be even cheaper

[dubious]

Originally Posted by cbb223

I personally can't wait for UHD content to start getting released. That means blu-rays will be even cheaper

How do you figure that?

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

With the advent, and pending release, of a new format (extended format?), I thought I'd stop by and check out what's being said.

A physical medium that supports the best that these new displays can take *IS* required. It will catch on. It may not become as pervasive as DVDs have become, and it may take quite a bit longer than it took DVDs to be the "standard", but it will flourish.

It will catch on because....? Is required by who?



2015 DVD vs BD 70-30 %

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

It will catch on because....? Is required by who?



2015 DVD vs BD 70-30 %

down 17.73 on last year, I wonder if there all waiting for Ultra HD Blu Ray?

[Geoff D]

DVD suffered a bigger YOY drop than BD did, and I don't think they're also waiting for UHD.

Physical video media is on an inexorable slide downwards, it's not going to wink out of existence overnight but UHD BD is becoming a harder sell by the day.

[bruceames]

Most people who buy BD discs don't even know about UHD BD.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

DVD suffered a bigger YOY drop than BD did, and I don't think they're also waiting for UHD.

Physical video media is on an inexorable slide downwards, it's not going to wink out of existence overnight but UHD BD is becoming a harder sell by the day.

Nobody is waiting for UHD BD. Well, people are but that's what's not causing the downward spiral of disc sales. We all know what's causing it, digital downloads and streaming services. Also, I can't remember what was released this same week last year, but maybe there were a couple of big releases that a lot of folks purchased which would also makes sales down from last year.

[HeavyHitter]

Frozen sold like crazy last year. Over 7 million copies and just over $149 million dollars. Surely that movie skewed the downward numbers for this year even though it was released in March of last year...I imagine it had good staying power for the year.

http://www.the-numbers.com/home-mark...ray-sales/2014

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

It will catch on because....? Is required by who?



2015 DVD vs BD 70-30 %

Well, let us take a look at what was released that week:







Well, there's the reason, barely anything that would sell like "hotcakes" was released!

[MisterXDTV]

the ratio has been 70-30 all year long for DVD vs BD

I can paste any week you want....

[bobbydrugar]

The biggest thing to fear is what impact 8K will have on 4K in 2 years when that's the next hotness driving TV sales.

Call me jaded (i really probably am) but this roller coaster of new $**! every 2 years is getting old really fast. How many new AVR's, New TV's, New Cables (I know we don't have to swap this go round), New Players, New Speakers, New Subs, etc do we have to go through until we get one "STANDARD" that is good enough to go a full decade.

T

[bruceames]

That Blu-ray release list may look impressive in isolation, but DVD releases 4 times as much. 10k per year for DVD vs. just over 2k for Blu-ray.

For example Warner Archive releases about 15-20 new-to-Blu movies a month, while Blu-ray only gets one. The TV show ratio is about 10:1 in favor of DVD. Probably the same for music and documentaries. At least with new release Blu-ray gets most of what get's released on DVD.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Dylan34

Nobody is waiting for UHD BD. Well, people are but that's what's not causing the downward spiral of disc sales. We all know what's causing it, digital downloads and streaming services. Also, I can't remember what was released this same week last year, but maybe there were a couple of big releases that a lot of folks purchased which would also makes sales down from last year.

I will give you streaming but not digital downloads. It's Netflix/Lovefilm and Spotify doing the damage.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I will give you streaming but not digital downloads. It's Netflix/Lovefilm and Spotify doing the damage.

Actually it's digital purchases that are doing the damage. Streaming mainly affects physical on the rental side. The above chart is for sell through.

Most of Blu-ray sales revenue comes from new and recent theatrical releases. Those movies generally aren't available on Netflix until the sell through well has run dry.

Digital releases are being given early release windows over physical and that is especially taking its toll on Blu-ray because Blu-ray customers tend to be more tech saavy and thus more likely to make a digital purchase (than a DVD consumer is). Otherwise, Blu-ray sales wouldn't be declining at the same rate as DVD.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Digital releases are being given early release windows over physical and that is especially taking its toll on Blu-ray because Blu-ray customers tend to be more tech saavy and thus more likely to make a digital purchase (than a DVD consumer is). Otherwise, Blu-ray sales wouldn't be declining at the same rate as DVD.

That's a good point..probably most overlooked. Here's the spin.. People can rent films digitally before they are released physically.

Or they can wait for Netflix, Amazon Prime & others to get it digitally.

Or they can get a UV, iTunes etc code from a friend digitally.

Or they can skip all the above because they've seen the film theatrically.

Now take all that ^ away from the Consumer & tell them to buy a $30 UHD Disc for 1 film.

[cbb223]

Originally Posted by dubious

How do you figure that?

Because when Blu-Ray came out DVDs became less expensive due to the new format. It won't be overnight obviously, but Blu-Rays will have to be cheaper to differentiate the cost for UHD as a premium product over Blu-Ray. Of course this will depend on how much the public is willing to pay for UHD though.

[dubious]

Originally Posted by cbb223

Because when Blu-Ray came out DVDs became less expensive due to the new format. It won't be overnight obviously, but Blu-Rays will have to be cheaper to differentiate the cost for UHD as a premium product over Blu-Ray. Of course this will depend on how much the public is willing to pay for UHD though.

DVDs are still expensive unless you're only counting some big studio mass produced titles sold at very low prices.

4K is going to be a premium for remastering and very small sliver of the market catering to home theater snobs. I project it only cements current BD pricing for a few more years, and UHD comes in priced $10-15 higher than a BD counterpart currently does.

[bluearth]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

The biggest thing to fear is what impact 8K will have on 4K in 2 years when that's the next hotness driving TV sales.

Call me jaded (i really probably am) but this roller coaster of new $**! every 2 years is getting old really fast. How many new AVR's, New TV's, New Cables (I know we don't have to swap this go round), New Players, New Speakers, New Subs, etc do we have to go through until we get one "STANDARD" that is good enough to go a full decade.

T

I dont think 8K will ever see the light of day unless they package it with some fancy feature that revolutionizes picture quality, something much better then HDR as even that wont help 4K much. Otherwise diminishing returns will make it dead on arrival.

Bluray has been out about 10 years and 4K is just now showing up. You dont have to upgrade every 2 years. I bought a 4K TV thats already obsolete (weird how thats even possible). Instead of chasing technology I've just accepted I wont have the latest and greatest gadget. Yes I'll have to drop some more cash on upgrading my receiver to accept 4K and Dolby Atmos, but thats about it.

[PSTrooper]

Can't wait to see what they do with 8k disks.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by PSTrooper

Can't wait to see what they do with 8k disks.

I highly doubt there will ever be 8K discs. I'm really surprised that they're going to do 4K discs to be honest. This will be it as far as physical media goes.