HDR Discussion Thread

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

YouTube has that too, thanks to marty

Perhaps LordoftheRings really meant to say: "You can't buy a HDR Blu-Ray which isn't a 4K Blu-Ray".

Yes, I sure meant that. We see no HDR logo on our Blu-ray covers.
YouTube and Netflix are ahead in that department. You can even get Atmos.
Blu-ray is dead.

[movielover1069]

Why doesn't HDR work like it should on my Sony XBR55X930D TV? I'm getting a sub-par, dull picture when it's in HDR mode. Can anyone help? I've tried everything.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I can, where? Is it hiding on some 1080p Blu-rays.

No. But it's right there in the UHD Blu-ray spec should anyone want to use it, and as mentioned some YT vids are HDR without being 4K. If you're that desperate to see it in action you could always try turning your player to 1080p but leaving HDR on, this will output a 1920x1080 HDR signal on the Sony and OPPO players.

[cochon]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Why doesn't HDR work like it should on my Sony XBR55X930D TV? I'm getting a sub-par, dull picture when it's in HDR mode. Can anyone help? I've tried everything.

First check under picture>advance settings>video options:

your

HDR setting,
HDMI video range and
Color space

are all set to auto.

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by cochon

First check under picture>advance settings>video options:

your

HDR setting,
HDMI video range and
Color space

are all set to auto.

Thanks!!!

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No. But it's right there in the UHD Blu-ray spec should anyone want to use it, and as mentioned some YT vids are HDR without being 4K. If you're that desperate to see it in action you could always try turning your player to 1080p but leaving HDR on, this will output a 1920x1080 HDR signal on the Sony and OPPO players.

I'm not desperate Monsieur Geoff; HDR is gaining more and more, getting better and expanding. HDMI 2.1 is @ the threshold of the next step. OLED is working great, not perfect yet but great, 4K front projectors are affordable more and more, HDR-10, Dolby Vision are making footprints, Dunkirk and Blade Runner 2049 are coming up in HDR, and all is not bad @ all on the waterfront.

Our computers are also offering HDR, and soon we might get some Christmas presents.

[LordoftheRings]

Geoff, watch 'The Keep' from Michael Mann with the music of Tangerine Dream, on DVD or VHS tape, and upscale it with your Sony.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I'll check it out, thx.

Fair warning - if watching it with young children, the opening scene depicts a sheep attempting (unsuccessfully) to hang itself - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d#post14181940

ICYMI, tech discussion starting here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post14173826

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Geoff, watch

Also for your consideration, starts out with The Chain…..

https://vimeo.com/245670075

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

YouTube finally added an HDR filter! You can now filter your searches for actual HDR content.

Woo hoo! This is FANTASTIC! It took a year. But it's done. Hooray!

EDIT:
Title search for HDR without filter: About 3,230,000 results
Title search for HDR with filter: About 781 results

Genuine HDR content is 0.02418% of the total.

To put it another way, 99.976% of "HDR" titled videos are not actually HDR.

I was right.

We've wasted a whole year trying in vain to find that 0.02418% needle in a haystack because they refused to add that filter. Better late than never, but their refusal was so unnecessary.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Has Samsung now officially announced support of HLG for some of its TVs?.....or did the Venn diagram creator suddenly deviate from his own self-established inclusion criteria? If the later, seems to me that either mrtickleuk (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post14430771)
broke him down and/or he trusts the assertions of a BBC rep over that of his followers (fellow AV hobbyists) experiences who’ve claimed HLG support by some Samsung TVs for awhile now, no?

I tried for months, but he was steadfast in his resolve. He made a statement here: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6345005579458744321/

The irony is sadly that we've been pointing out for all this time that our Samsung 2016 TVs support HLG, yet the BBC only list 2017 models

ps the BBC list contains many duplicates. Eg there aren't 89 Philips models, there are 53, with 36 of them listed twice.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

I tried for months, but he was steadfast in his resolve. He made a statement here: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6345005579458744321/

The irony is....

I see.
Although given less exposure than the high profile AV tweeters, I find fellow forum member DanBa to be more disciplined and accurate with his tables and references than the general marketeers, be it their marketing a certain product or themselves, for that matter.

On a more technical note, as far as the BBC is concerned, like with any of these companies or organizations, I think it’s always good to fairly challenge them from the get-go, for example…. http://phenix.int-evry.fr/jct/doc_en...t.php?id=10324 <- even though in that case, it could be counter argued that the blatant orange hue distortion noted with HLG in the Arris report may have been a worst case scenario.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Woo hoo!

Got snow up thar?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Also for your consideration, starts out with The Chain…..

https://vimeo.com/245670075

Gotcha.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Gotcha.

https://vimeo.com/245670075#t=7m19s

[Penton-Man]

Where’s PeterTHX?
Hope he’s not been personally affected by the wild fires that have been scorching parts of our SoCal.

[Penton-Man]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...c#post14161124

follow-up to the ^ topic of the ΔICtCp metric –
https://calman.spectracal.com/calman...ign=TaoOfColor

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://vimeo.com/245670075#t=7m19s

Yes Penton, it's a cool montage video with good music too. The top 25 Best Films of 2017.
I even checked the one for 2016.

And furthermore, I shared both videos on another forum. ...High caliber movie connoisseurs.

[puddy77]

Similar to the UHD Premium standards, VESA has announced HDR standards for PC, gaming, and other displays called DisplayHDR with three tiers: 400, 600, and 1000.

https://displayhdr.org/

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Similar to the UHD Premium standards, VESA has announced HDR standards for PC, gaming, and other displays called DisplayHDR with three tiers: 400, 600, and 1000.

https://displayhdr.org/

When they say "10-bit image processing", does it just mean firmware/software, or are 10-bit hardware panels required somewhere in this?

Overall, this seems extremely promising for product transparency and clarity.

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by gkolb

When they say "10-bit image processing", does it just mean firmware/software, or are 10-bit hardware panels required somewhere in this?

Overall, this seems extremely promising for product transparency and clarity.

It looks like they will accept 8 bit with 2 bit dithering from the Performance Criteria: https://displayhdr.org/performance-criteria/

PC displays today commonly utilize 6-bit drivers and attempt to simulate 8-bit quality through a dithering algorithm. True 8-bit performance is required in all DisplayHDR tiers, and for the DisplayHDR 600 and 1000 tiers 10-bit performance by using 8-bit drivers with 2-bit dithering at a minimum.