HDR is crayons

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

I am also suspicious but I certainly wouldn't sneeze at 9 percent as a number. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being a tad higher. I'd imagine that there are plenty of people out there buying OLED's because they hear they're the best and have the money to throw around, but aren't very knowledgeable of the technology outside of that. That means they're probably torturing their televisions with news and sports and over time, they're most certainly going to get burn-in. They may not even notice it much during regular usage... at least not for a long while. Most of the casual consumers picking these up likely aren't taking measures to protect their investment.

Nah, I think that OLED buyers just want top level performance and are quite knowledgeable. And, most of us are ex plasma guys as in we prefer emissive displays. Sports doesn’t torture the TV at all. CNN for 6 straight hours at vivid settings sure does but those folks ought to buy a crappy wall mart LCD anyways. Perhaps they are the ones that fit your "throw money around" description! Not, me though. Working class stiff here and every dollar counts.

Sure, maybe I took a gamble in unproven technology. The PQ is freeging sick though. No LCD in existence can do this.

And that 9% number is totally random and made up. I would need to know a lot of numerous other things before I took that number as legit. How many sets were sold total, how many truly had burn in, how many were used outside of what’s considered normal and a bunch of other stuff. Some random questionnaire on a forum is useless.

The burn in police certainly have got their message out there though. Just like with plasma way back when. That’s OK, I’m used to this.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by trekky76

Market share has nothing to do with that. Samsung has just been better at marketing their OLED wannabie QLED. Alot of garbage displays are now claiming to do near perfect blacks and are priced lower than OLED displays. Consumers tend to favor cheap over quality.

Not saying it's as good as OLED, but high-end LEDs with great local-dimming really are better at blacks than most of you give them credit for. There's a tendency on home theater sites to say "this is the best and thus everything else is shit," but that's not really the case.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Not saying it's as good as OLED, but high-end LEDs with great local-dimming really are better at blacks than most of you give them credit for. There's a tendency on home theater sites to say "this is the best and thus everything else is shit," but that's not really the case.

LCD is by far the worst home video technology out of anything, including OLED, plasma, CRT, DLP, etc.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by trekky76

Market share has nothing to do with that. Samsung has just been better at marketing their OLED wannabie QLED. Alot of garbage displays are now claiming to do near perfect blacks and are priced lower than OLED displays. Consumers tend to favor cheap over quality.

In my country a Samsung Q8fn is more costly than an oled c8 in the same size category. And a Q7fn is roughly equal pricing currently; and for that you have in the minus column poor local dimming/edgelit display, with admittedly a great colour volume/gamut and nits in the plus column.


So not sure what you mean by cheap... But regardless of the spec? Bottomline for all the nits those QLED's boast, the HDR movie rating according to rtings is 9.1 for a c8, and 7.8 for Q7.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by Vilya

OLED's burn-in problem might be worse than LG cares to admit and it appears that their market share is dropping, too.

Forum member FletchNZ posted this new article today; his thread on the subject is the second link:

Is OLED slowly burning down? October 26, 2018:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/is-ole...-burning-down/

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...12&postcount=1

"things get interesting if you're just looking at the premium sector. Last year for TVs that cost over $2,500, Samsung had a 34.3 percent market share, Sony had 33.3 percent, and LG 30.3 percent. But this year as of August, Samsung controlled 43.6 percent, while Sony had 32.9 percent and LG 22.9 percent. LG's market share is headed in the wrong direction. "

" This difference is even wider in TVs over 75 inches, the crème de la crème of TVs where manufacturers today secure their much-needed high margins. Last year, Samsung controlled 50 percent, while Sony had 35.6 percent and LG 8.4 percent.

As of August, Samsung had 57 percent, while Sony had 25 percent and LG 9 percent."

OR

LG OLED sets got cheaper and much more affordable and people realized that they don't need to spend over 2500 dollars to get an awesome OLED set. They don't even cost that much anymore.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Nah, I think that OLED buyers just want top level performance and are quite knowledgeable. And, most of us are ex plasma guys as in we prefer emissive displays. Sports doesn’t torture the TV at all. CNN for 6 straight hours at vivid settings sure does but those folks ought to buy a crappy wall mart LCD anyways. Perhaps they are the ones that fit your "throw money around" description! Not, me though. Working class stiff here and every dollar counts.

Sure, maybe I took a gamble in unproven technology. The PQ is freeging sick though. No LCD in existence can do this.

And that 9% number is totally random and made up. I would need to know a lot of numerous other things before I took that number as legit. How many sets were sold total, how many truly had burn in, how many were used outside of what’s considered normal and a bunch of other stuff. Some random questionnaire on a forum is useless.

The burn in police certainly have got their message out there though. Just like with plasma way back when. That’s OK, I’m used to this.

Oh I'm sorry that some people are on a tight budget and can't afford to miss on a $2000 television.

Hey let's act like burn-in doesn't exist. That'll show 'em.

I feel like I'm always dealing with OLED people and their overcompensation and insecurity issues. It's not good enough to just have one of the very best high-end televisions on the market, nosiree. You gotta tell everyone else how you're better than them too!

[ROSS.T.G.]

It’s tacky telling someone their tv sucks. I don’t see the point. Not everyone that buys an LCD settled. People buy different displays to fit their needs and yes sometimes budgets. Even modest entry level panels look excellent these days.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by trekky76

Market share has nothing to do with that. Samsung has just been better at marketing their OLED wannabie QLED. Alot of garbage displays are now claiming to do near perfect blacks and are priced lower than OLED displays. Consumers tend to favor cheap over quality.

My reply to you got moved to another thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...68&postcount=9

Apparently, if I discuss OLED TVs and their possible burn-in issues, I am off topic.

If I could get a LG 65" OLED TV for at or under $2K; I would have done so and I would try to overcome my anxieties about them.

In TV sales overall, Samsung still has more than twice the market share that LG does, 34.3% vs. 15.2%. Is that due to better marketing and uneducated customers, too?

[chad_1138]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Not saying it's as good as OLED, but high-end LEDs with great local-dimming really are better at blacks than most of you give them credit for. There's a tendency on home theater sites to say "this is the best and thus everything else is shit," but that's not really the case.

Totally agree. The blacks on my Vizio F1-P65 are deeper than my Panasonic ST50 ever got. Did I want an OLED? Sure. Could I justify doubling my price point on the Vizio? No way. I have never been unhappy with this set.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

LCD is by far the worst home video technology out of anything, including OLED, plasma, CRT, DLP, etc.

The only way I could care less about your posts would be if you randomly pounded on the keyboard.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

The only way I could care less about your posts would be if you randomly pounded on the keyboard.

Put me on ignore. Can’t say I’m enlightened by anything you post either.

[StingingVelvet]

I don't ignore anyone, I like to see the car crashes.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

I'm getting the Panny UB820 as well. It's just a pity that the UHD remux playback is not a full solution. Means I'll have a need to get a Shield etc, which will deliver good streaming playback though as benefit. IDK if you can call that a loss-win-win.

Excuse my ignorance what is a Shield? Thanks.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

Excuse my ignorance what is a Shield? Thanks.

It's Vic Mackey

[Show spoiler]
It's also an Nvidia streaming device.
https://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-SHIELD...=nvidia+shield

[nick4Knight]

Shield etc meant either an Apple 4K, Nvidia Shield or other streamer like those. But, sure, Vic Mackey... Doubt that will ever be out in 4K. Never even came to blu yet (tho soon apparently...)

[fighthefutureofhd]

Now i've got Landon burned on my screen. I swear the menu screen was only up for a few seconds. Not even 30 seconds I don't think. What is up with my television burning in people's names?!?!?! I'm sure when I run the clear panel noise program it will get rid of it (I haven't done it yet, as I'm currently using the tv but will run it while sleeping). I'm now sure more than ever I got a lemon of a television. oh well. Screw me!! Another thing to go wrong in a series of things going wrong in this crap shoot of a life. Why I bother beats the hell out of me. And you wonder why I'm on meds.

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

Now i've got Landon burned on my screen.

Michael Landon?

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

Oh I'm sorry that some people are on a tight budget and can't afford to miss on a $2000 television.

Hey let's act like burn-in doesn't exist. That'll show 'em.

I feel like I'm always dealing with OLED people and their overcompensation and insecurity issues. It's not good enough to just have one of the very best high-end televisions on the market, nosiree. You gotta tell everyone else how you're better than them too!

Gee. I didnt think I said anything that questioned peoples cash outlay for a TV. I came right out and admitted Im a working-class bum but put a premium on PQ. I never implied I was better either....???

Never said BI didnt exist, only mentioned that the 9% figure is random and totally made up. Its not based on empirical data whatsoever.

As for the OLED defense attitude - its really just a reaction to the never-ending OLED bashing that we have to hear. Nothing but burn-in, bad this, bad that, poor longevity, blah blah blah. Insecurity has nothing to do with it. Its just sucky that people that are contemplating a TV purchase have to be bombarded with hysterical BS from the "experts" here and on other forums.

Sorry if I came across the wrong way. Didnt mean to.

[StingingVelvet]

Can't say my general impression on this forum is of "OLED bashing." Quite the opposite, honestly.

[nick4Knight]

Going into douche territory trying to big up your own preferences really is all too common, though. From both sides the tribalism gets fervent in a way that goes beyond passion; and certainly claiming objective superiority is fruitless since the trade offs are so user dependent.