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Old 01-11-2014, 02:53 AM   #45581
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Key to the Seahawks secondary? Cheating...

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The Wall Street Journal has a fascinating look at the dominant Seahawks secondary, which seems to have been able to turn just about everyone into a star. Part of that is the remarkable amount of pressure they bring, but another part—perhaps—is as brilliant as it is simple. Maul receivers, because there's no way officials will throw flags on every play.

The Seahawks were tops in the league in defensive pass interference penalties, and were among the leaders in defensive holding. But as we've learned, penalties probably don't correlate with success one way or the other. Instead, the key might be all those plays that could have been called but weren't.

"They look at it and say, 'We may get called for one but not 10,'" said Mike Pereira, a former NFL vice president of officiating who is now a Fox analyst.
It's even more devious than that. No one knows what a catch is in the NFL anymore, and with changing and complex rules, no one knows what constitutes a penalty either. It varies from week to week, official to official, and the Seahawks seem able and willing to take advantage of that. From a Seattle Times story in October:

Seattle defensive coordinator Dan Quinn said the calls so far are not a huge cause for concern, other than making sure the players remain aware of how the games are being officiated.

"It's nothing that we get too wrapped up in," he said. "The thing we try to do is just educate what's going on around the league, in terms of, 'This was called in this game. This was called in this game.' ... [F]or us, it's important just to know what's kind of the climate of how it's being called."
How do you figure that out? Easy enough. Mug receivers early on and see where the line is. In the WSJ piece, Pereira says the Seahawks "test" referees early in the game "to see what kind of tone the officials are going to set."

This isn't evil, it's genius. Seattle knows that even if it fouls on every play, officials know they'd be the ones to catch hell for throwing too many flags. Football's always been about doing whatever you can get away with—you can find offensive lineman holding on just about every play—and you can get away with an awful lot more in the playoffs than you can in the regular season. So, good luck, Saints.
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Old 01-11-2014, 03:36 AM   #45582
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Key to the Seahawks secondary? Cheating...
Good thing for the Saints Meachem, Colston and Graham are all huge and should be harder for the Seahawks to cheat against consistently.
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Old 01-11-2014, 03:42 AM   #45583
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Key to the Seahawks secondary? Cheating...
No surprise there. this is the same team that got busted with all those guys taking illegal supplements.
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Old 01-11-2014, 04:03 AM   #45584
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What? Wait... are you trying to imply that a Pete Carroll coached team would cheat?!?!!
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Old 01-11-2014, 04:08 AM   #45585
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What? Wait... are you trying to imply that a Pete Carroll coached team would cheat?!?!!
They would never, it's not as if there were a history of him cheating in the NCAA and that's why he fled USC for the NFL.
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Old 01-11-2014, 05:06 AM   #45586
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Green Bay did similar last week and with me being a Niners Fan, I was on waiting on pins n needles waiting for the Refs to finally come down on things, and they didn't. So the 49ers did the same and it worked out pretty good.
N.O. should follow suit!
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Old 01-11-2014, 05:08 AM   #45587
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Green Bay did similar last week and with me being a Niners Fan, I was on waiting on pins n needles waiting for the Refs to finally come down on things, and they didn't. So the 49ers did the same and it worked out pretty good.
N.O. should follow suit!
I would imagine Rob Ryan's got something special for the Seahawks, especially after how Russell Wilson embarrassed him the last time they played each other.
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Old 01-11-2014, 01:39 PM   #45588
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Key to the Seahawks secondary? Cheating...
Are there really people here who believe that this isn't something every team is doing?

How many times have retired NFL players talked about how hitting them harder now helps you out later in the game?
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Old 01-11-2014, 02:00 PM   #45589
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Rooting for the Seahawks & the Colts today. And for the love of God don't let the Chargers win. The Carolina & Niner game should be good.
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Old 01-11-2014, 02:02 PM   #45590
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Are there really people here who believe that this isn't something every team is doing?

How many times have retired NFL players talked about how hitting them harder now helps you out later in the game?
Hitting hard and holding and interfering with players are 2 different things.
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Old 01-11-2014, 04:05 PM   #45591
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Waitin for ever for 4:30
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Old 01-11-2014, 05:31 PM   #45592
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Bill Bilichick has briefed the referees for today's game. I still hope it is a fun game to watch even if the outcome is already pre-determined.
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Old 01-11-2014, 06:13 PM   #45593
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Bill Bilichick has briefed the referees for today's game. I still hope it is a fun game to watch even if the outcome is already pre-determined.
Brady's Patriots are 7-7 in their last 14 playoff games. The outcome is anything but pre-determined.
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Old 01-11-2014, 06:46 PM   #45594
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Hitting hard and holding and interfering with players are 2 different things.
I was using "hitting them harder" as the psuedo-code which means "Do anything you can get away with". The same way former NFL players refer to it all the time.

Several of whom admit freely that they were breaking the rules any time they reasonably felt they could. From former bench-warmers to Hall of Famers, they all talk about it.

But I'm sure there's not a single Falcon ever that's cheated knowingly.
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Old 01-11-2014, 06:59 PM   #45595
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I was using "hitting them harder" as the psuedo-code which means "Do anything you can get away with". The same way former NFL players refer to it all the time.



Several of whom admit freely that they were breaking the rules any time they reasonably felt they could. From former bench-warmers to Hall of Famers, they all talk about it.



But I'm sure there's not a single Falcon ever that's cheated knowingly.

Did I ever say or suggest that?
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Old 01-11-2014, 08:21 PM   #45596
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Bill Bilichick has briefed the referees for today's game. I still hope it is a fun game to watch even if the outcome is already pre-determined.
So the pats are going to win... cool... Are they going to be able to fix the other 2 games?

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Old 01-11-2014, 08:39 PM   #45597
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seahawks will win this as long as the offense doesn't fail completely

seahawks d is physical but has the speed to match up with finesse teams
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Saints running awesomely.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:13 PM   #45599
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Well Saints are gonna get there asses kicked
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Yeah,... One sided game thus far.

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