LG's new OLED TVs

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I ran the Disney Wow disc as stated for the basic settings. Using the blue filter for color and tint. On my set even using the Cinema factory default setting which is essentially the same as the ISF modes setting the color at 50 did not get the shades of blue to match evenly. Bumping the color up to 60 does. The tint change accounts for the differences in the white balance and color management settings. Looking at the color slide for Rec. 709 ideally they should be all the same shade of blue.

It is well known that the blue filter test is highly inaccurate. I used that once just out of curiosity and had my tint at G15...Do you know what skin tone looks like at G15?

Bottom line is that color filters really dont do a good job. So I would leave color at 50 and tint at 0, because their color tracking is highly accurate out of the box. That is where a meter comes into play, since it can "see" color accurately.
The LG's have very good color tracking out of the box, not much to adjust if anything. Someone like Chad may tweak with color just to better some saturations, but it isn't necessary and errors would be below what the human eye could see anyways.
I hoenstly think Disney WOW can be useful only for basic Contrast and Brightness settings, but not for Chroma and Hue settings at all

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

That also looks ridiculously bright for blackout viewing. OLED around 30 to 32 is where I've settled. Contrast much above 80 causes white clipping. Brightness is close (I shift between 52 and 53 content depending, with fine-tuning adjustments to 5 IRE 20-pt white balance to help with noise near black or to increase details near black). But I have seen no need for sharpness or any of the other unnecessary enhancements. That's just a way to add more noise to the PQ.

I used the Disney Wow disc which is very distinct in settings for contrast unlike most discs. You have visible white stars and invisible white stars and you adjust accordingly. At a contrast setting of 80 all of the white stars are visible. In Cinema default you need to turn contrast up to 98 to white out all of the invisible stars. In the ISF calibrated mode I can use 97. These are pretty standard figures for OLED owners using the WOW disc for the past couple of years from reading the threads. I owned a EG9100 and the results were the same for contrast.

Give me an example of a bluray that shows clipping and I will look for it. Ideally with the timemark and chapter.

[PRO-630HD]

Where are Chad B's calibrated settings?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

Where are Chad B's calibrated settings?

I will get my buddy to chime in since hes hsd his oled calibrated by Chad

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I used the Disney Wow disc which is very distinct in settings for contrast unlike most discs. You have visible white stars and invisible white stars and you adjust accordingly. At a contrast setting of 80 all of the white stars are visible. In Cinema default you need to turn contrast up to 98 to white out all of the invisible stars. In the ISF calibrated mode I can use 97. These are pretty standard figures for OLED owners using the WOW disc for the past couple of years from reading the threads. I owned a EG9100 and the results were the same for contrast.

Give me an example of a bluray that shows clipping and I will look for it. Ideally with the timemark and chapter.

They are not standard for the 2016 models. Going much above 80 introduces anomalies and has not been recommended by any calibrators I've found.

[Deciazulado]

The invisible stars are "whiter than white" (levels above SDR video "white" level 235 100%/100 nits).

In the past with limited contrast LCDs I'd recommend putting the 100% 235 white as the maximun since many LCDs had contrast ratios of 1000:1 (10 f/stops) or less, so if you displayed video level 255 (109%) whiter than white, which is about 1/3rd of a F/stop brighter than video level 235, as the LCD's white max you'd be sacrificing that 1/3 of a F/stop on the other end in the shadows, which with the average LCDs limited contrast range would be a greater loss.

But with OLEDs having such high contrast ratios (15-20 f/stops) reaching into the blacks you can display the extra 1/3 F/stop highlight (if encoded on the BDs) by letting the whiter than white stars show up with no problem. (They'd be at about 120 nits vs the 100 nits of level 235 100% white) without having to sacrifice the panel's shadow detail. In fact HDR UHDs coding extends these highlights several F/stops above 100 nits now.

[Robert Zohn]

With Rec 2010 we can now have some form of HDR, likely HLG and P3 at FHD resolution so we don't need it to be carried with a 4K UHD resolution. Big news for all consumers when enjoying the future of 1920x1080 network and sports programming with Rec. 2010 HDR/WCG optimized.

[JimPa]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

With Rec 2010 we can now have some form of HDR, likely HLG and P3 at FHD resolution so we don't need it to be carried with a 4K UHD resolution. Big news for all consumers when enjoying the future of 1920x1080 network and sports programming with Rec. 2010 HDR/WCG optimized.

Sounds good as long as the broadcasters use it but do we know for certain that they will or is it mostly wishful thinking?

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

With Rec 2010 we can now have some form of HDR, likely HLG and P3 at FHD resolution so we don't need it to be carried with a 4K UHD resolution. Big news for all consumers when enjoying the future of 1920x1080 network and sports programming with Rec. 2010 HDR/WCG optimized.

Robert, what level of TV hardware will be capable of displaying this 1080 HDR image?

Would it have to be only HDR capable sets, like from 2015 models and newer? (which to me would imply they are only the 4K HDR TV's) and would they have to be able to be firmware upgraded as well for this capability?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I ran the Disney Wow disc as stated for the basic settings. Using the blue filter for color and tint. On my set even using the Cinema factory default setting which is essentially the same as the ISF modes setting the color at 50 did not get the shades of blue to match evenly. Bumping the color up to 60 does. The tint change accounts for the differences in the white balance and color management settings. Looking at the color slide for Rec. 709 ideally they should be all the same shade of blue.

I know how the blue filter test works. I used the one that comes with Disney WOW and also the one that comes in the TV expert control menu...Guess what, they were both way off when the blue shades matched evenly. These blue filter tests are not accurate, and besides, BLUE is just ONE color

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

They are not standard for the 2016 models. Going much above 80 introduces anomalies and has not been recommended by any calibrators I've found.

Not only that, but things like sharpness, super resolution, dynamic contrast, are just gimmicks for showrooms rather than for home users. All they do is alter the original quality of the picture the way it was intended to be perceived. Very eye-catchy maybe, and sure to get some attention in a showroom, but very fake-looking and even annoying for everyday use

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

With Rec 2010 we can now have some form of HDR, likely HLG and P3 at FHD resolution so we don't need it to be carried with a 4K UHD resolution. Big news for all consumers when enjoying the future of 1920x1080 network and sports programming with Rec. 2010 HDR/WCG optimized.

What about the HDR User Picture Mode that we can manually apply to any content? Is that just a gimmick or does it do a good job in offering some form of "pseudo" HDR to any source we play?

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by JimPa

Sounds good as long as the broadcasters use it but do we know for certain that they will or is it mostly wishful thinking?

Originally Posted by gkolb

Robert, what level of TV hardware will be capable of displaying this 1080 HDR image?

Would it have to be only HDR capable sets, like from 2015 models and newer? (which to me would imply they are only the 4K HDR TV's) and would they have to be able to be firmware upgraded as well for this capability?

I attended the Sport's Video Group NYC HDR technical convention earlier this week and at two sessions the speakers presented how to employ HDR on FHD feeds.

The broadcasters were interested in enhancing FHD and it seems like the BBC and NHK's Hybrid Log Gamma scheme of HDR was the way to go for on the fly HDR content creation that could easily be included and graded for SDR TVs to take advantage of. Most FHD TVs can get brighter than 100-nits so if this comes to fruition the consumer will need to have their display set-up for higher peak luminance.

[Robert Zohn]

Quick follow-up to my above post. The expert presenters also discussed using HLG's single layer architecture to embed P3 color along with Rec. 709. The value for the broadcasters is that they can use much of their existing FHD equipment, cameras, etc and enhance the image quality to HDR capable TVs. And for consumers with legacy 1080p SDR TVs they would see the feed in SDR.

It's seems likely that all HDR capable TVs can be upgraded to decode HLG, Sony's X930D, X940D and the new Z9D series are all HLG ready now.

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

What about the HDR User Picture Mode that we can manually apply to any content? Is that just a gimmick or does it do a good job in offering some form of "pseudo" HDR to any source we play?

I think you just answered your question in the your above prior post. If content was filmed in SDR that is the way it was intended to be seen. Having a TV do any kind of conversion always gives 3rd rate results anyway.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I think you just answered your question in the your above prior post. If content was filmed in SDR that is the way it was intended to be seen. Having a TV do any kind of conversion always gives 3rd rate results anyway.

Same with super resolution, dynamic contrast, edge enhancer and even sharpness to an extent

[Robert Zohn]

It was just leaked that LG is beginning an aggressive sale on the E6, C6 and B6 series in both 55" and 65" screen sizes. This is a 14 day limited promotion from midnight tonight 12:01pm EST and ends Saturday, August 13th.

If LG feels they can get a good response it has a chance to be reinstated at their discretion. We're adding value by including the UBD-K8500 4K BD player at no charge.

So being a LG authorized Nationwide on line dealer I can't change my website until the clock strikes midnight on the east coast. So I'm staying up a little late tonight. Glad it's the weekend.

[Mr. Joshua]

Originally Posted by punisher

try the blu ray....

Not helpful at all... Smarty pants...

[Mr. Joshua]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Can you be more specific?

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There are scenes where the letter boxing gets wider there is more black bar at top and bottom of screen the picture gets thinner.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua

There are scenes where the letter boxing gets wider there is more black bar at top and bottom of screen the picture gets thinner.

Never seen that on my C6. What I did experience-and only on one occasion-was flashing of the bottom black bar. The next day I went back to the same scene and it did not happen again, and hasnt happened ever since