LG's new OLED TVs

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Enjoy your boring 24fps[emoji4]

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Other than The Hobbit movies in HFR, are you saying that everything else you've seen in the cinema has been boring? Gosh, I loved seeing Interstellar in true 15-perf/70mm IMAX, the new Star Wars in Laser IMAX; I choose my shows very carefully trying to go when it's dead but boy, I do love the cinema for the big flicks.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Other than The Hobbit movies in HFR, are you saying that everything else you've seen in the cinema has been boring? Gosh, I loved seeing Interstellar in true 15-perf/70mm IMAX, the new Star Wars in Laser IMAX; I choose my shows very carefully trying to go when it's dead but boy, I do love the cinema for the big flicks.

I just cant stand 24fps pan scans, for example, or how everything moves sooooo slooooowwww. I am not a purist, what can I say? That is why I have my own home theater

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I just cant stand 24fps pan scans, for example, or how everything moves sooooo slooooowwww. I am not a purist, what can I say? That is why I have my own home theater

When I watch 60fps content with SOE on it looks too fake and not cinematic. I watched Batman v Superman warehouse fight scene on YouTube in 60fps and it was terrible. Much rather retain the cinematic feel with 24p. In 60fps, the action felt more fake whereas in 24p it felt real and visceral.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

When I watch 60fps content with SOE on it looks too fake and not cinematic. I watched Batman v Superman warehouse fight scene on YouTube in 60fps and it was terrible. Much rather retain the cinematic feel with 24p. In 60fps, the action felt more fake whereas in 24p it felt real and visceral.

To me 24fps doesnt look real because it is less similar to how we detect movement in real life. 48-60fps is closer to how we detect movement in real life. Also 24fps because of its nature gives the impression of making everything blurry or "faded"

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

To me 24fps doesnt look real because it is less similar to how we detect movement in real life. 48-60fps is closer to how we detect movement in real life. Also 24fps because of its nature gives the impression of making everything blurry or "faded"

I understand that argument BUT when I watched the scene of that movie in 24p, it was perceived as being more realistic but when I watched in 60fps, it looked fake like the scenes didn't flow as well and made it look as if Batman was being given a lot of time before bad guys would try and hit him and felt fake and more scripted whereas in 24p, it looked more real like they were trying to kill him.

So to me, my preference is on 24p for the aesthetic and creating believability. If you feel 60fps does that for you then I understand that's your personal taste to watching.

[RockyIII]

Any of you uses Dark Room ISF picture mode pretty much all the time, whether in presence of some ambient light or not? I am.
It feels like gamma 2.4 does Oled more justice than gamma 2.2. Now that I am used to those settings anything else feels too bright and I can also detect more posterization/color banding when I set everything brighter

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[vinnie97]

I prefer ISF Bright (and 2.2) because there are many windows in the room in which the TV resides.

Question to Robert: Would the following IRE5 G6 uniformity (at 200+ hours) have failed your store's QC procedure or would it have been qualified as within specs?



Do you use slides alone, or do you also verify it with some test content for visibility/acceptability?

[Robert Zohn]

I PM'd you.

[RockyIII]

Any of you new Oled owners got to try Steve's suggested Picture Settings in his Video review on AV?

[Mr. Joshua]

Watched BvS Ultimate Edition on LG B6 watched the VUDU Dolby Vision version. The letter boxing is all messed up anyone know what's going on?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua

Watched BvS Ultimate Edition on LG B6 watched the VUDU Dolby Vision version. The letter boxing is all messed up anyone know what's going on?

Can you be more specific?

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[punisher]

Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua

Watched BvS Ultimate Edition on LG B6 watched the VUDU Dolby Vision version. The letter boxing is all messed up anyone know what's going on?

try the blu ray....

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Any of you new Oled owners got to try Steve's suggested Picture Settings in his Video review on AV?

These are by far the best I have found. I use them on my 65C6P

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/...ings?uxtv=a3af

These are the best settings so far I have found. Copy all the white balance and color management settings. Then run the Disney WOW disc for your main adjustments.

I am getting ISF Dark
Oled Light 47
Brightness 53
Contrast 95
H sharpness 10
V Sharpness 10
Color 55
Tint 0

In expert control all off except I leave
Super Resolution Low
Edge Enhancement On
Color Gamut Normal
Gamma BT.1886
(same as Cinema Mode)

Picture Options all off except
Trumotion User (default)
Dejudder 0
Deblur 10
Even with a setting of 1 for dejudder there is noticeable SOE especially in 3D!

For Color Management I found posterization in the settings (DVE HD Basics 1080p demonstration model w/ chip chart on grainy film stock, Austin Powers 2 TSWSM chap. 10 = look at the faces, Speed Racer final race). Speed racer is the worst and I have to zero out all the settings to get rid of it.

3D settings
3D depth 8
3D viewpoint 0

Now 3D settings. Since getting the set I have watched a lot of 3D. It makes Iron Man 3 look good which my 65VT60 plasma could never do except for vivid mode so it never was watched. I use the identical settings for 3D as listed above and did the same for my Panasonic plasma. You shouldn't have to sacrifice washed out colors and decreased blacks to get 3D to look good. 3D shouldn't look monochromatic and quite a few titles do while their 2D counterparts are richly saturated with deep blacks. This is a big advantage of having the 3D and 2D versions on the same disc as those transfers are the same, many are not!

Oz: The Great and Powerful
X-Men: DAFP
The Wolverine
Man of Steel
Exodus: Gods and Kings
G.I. Joe: Retaliation
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
300: Rise of an Empire
Jurassic World

All of theabove titles have desaturated colors and decreased black levels. Simply putting these discs into your player and putting them in 2D mode will show this and eliminate the glasses issue when comparing the differing masters the 3D versions are using. The key here is matching the colors on the 2D disc to the 3D disc. I have the color on my 3D ISF bright room bumped up to match. Normal settings in 3D ISF dark.

Now using the 3D settings you actually can improve the experience. In the 2D to 3D conversion settings which I never use there is a setting called Theatrical. It is a L shift to -3 or 3D viewpoint -3. In actual 3D disc settings you will find that 3D depth and viewpoint are essentially interchangeable by simply shifting the stereoscopic image. Using 3D viewpoint of -3 or depth of 7 increasing depth into the image making it sink into the television a bit and makes for a slam bang 3D presentation. It looks stunning and just causes greater separation between the images. This helps blurays in 3D where you can barely tell you are watching 3D since the effect is so subtle. (What is the point, if you are going to do 3D do it!) and actually may pull in older titles from the 50's to 80's where the separation is much wider which actually helps decrease crosstalk.

Now the problem is crosstalk itself and this set will show it with a bright white image overlapping a black image. Dial M for Murder at the beginning of chap. 2 with Ray Millan wearing a suit. (Always a black suit with a white shirt will show this) House of Wax Chap. 6 as Vincent Price wheelchairs his way through the wax museum, Tron Legacy chap. 5 where the 4 females are walking toward Sam, Oz: TGAP chap. 41 watch the fireworks going into the sky before they explode. A depth of 9 adds some pop to the 3D image and eliminates the crosstalk issues with current material and with older titles where the separation is more extreme it decreases it. Using a depth of 8 is better yet, but increases the crosstalk though it is barely noticeable and most wouldn't notice unless the pause button is on. Lastly the crosstalk seems far more noticeable in daytime viewing so watching in a dark room virtually eliminates this.

Trumotion set to user (default). Noticeable SOE even with dejudder set to 1 (watch the sex scene in 300 sequel or Mad Max: Fury Road in Chap. 3 any fast motion causes noticeable artifacts) very annoying!

I tried the B6 settings from rtings.com and wasn't impressed. I will definitely try the C6 settings when reviewed.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

These are by far the best I have found. I use them on my 65C6P

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/...ings?uxtv=a3af

These are the best settings so far I have found. Copy all the white balance and color management settings. Then run the Disney WOW disc for your main adjustments.

I am getting ISF Dark
Oled Light 60
Brightness 53
Contrast 97
H sharpness 15
V Sharpness 15
Color 60
Tint R5

In expert control all off except I leave
Super Resolution Low
Edge Enhancement On
Color Gamut Normal
Gamma BT.1886
(same as Cinema Mode)

Picture Options all off except
Trumotion User (default)
Dejudder 0
Deblur 10
Even with a setting of 1 for dejudder there is noticeable SOE especially in 3D!

For Color Management I found posterization in the settings (DVE HD Basics 1080p demonstration model w/ chip chart on grainy film stock, Austin Powers 2 TSWSM chap. 10 = look at the faces)

For red I changed
Saturation 8 > 0
Tint 21 > 11
Luminance -1 > -1

For Blue I found posterization in the neon lights in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom Chap. 2
Saturation 10 > 0
Tint 20 > 10
Luminance 0 > 0

I haven't found any in the Green yet but I changed these settings in line with the other 2.
Saturation 10 > 0
Tint 10 > 5
Luminance 0 > 0

3D settings
3D depth 8 (night) or 9 (day)
3D viewpoint 0

Now 3D settings. Since getting the set I have watched a lot of 3D. It makes Iron Man 3 look good which my 65VT60 plasma could never do except for vivid mode so it never was watched. I use the identical settings for 3D as listed above and did the same for my Panasonic plasma. You shouldn't have to sacrifice washed out colors and decreased blacks to get 3D to look good. 3D shouldn't look monochromatic and quite a few titles do while their 2D counterparts are richly saturated with deep blacks. This is a big advantage of having the 3D and 2D versions on the same disc as those transfers are the same, many are not!

Oz: The Great and Powerful
X-Men: DAFP
The Wolverine
Man of Steel
Exodus: Gods and Kings
G.I. Joe: Retaliation
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
300: Rise of an Empire
Jurassic World
All of these titles have desaturated colors and decreased black levels. Simply putting these discs into your player and putting them in 2D mode will show this and eliminate the glasses issue when comparing the differing masters the 3D versions are using. The key here is matching the colors on the 2D disc to the 3D disc. I have the color on my 3D ISF bright room bumped up to match. Normal settings in 3D ISF dark.

Now using the 3D settings you actually can improve the experience. In the 2D to 3D conversion settings which I never use there is a setting called Theatrical. It is a L shift to -3 or 3D viewpoint -3. In actual 3D disc settings you will find that 3D depth and viewpoint are essentially interchangeable by simply shifting the stereoscopic image. Using 3D viewpoint of -3 or depth of 7 increasing depth into the image making it sink into the television a bit and makes for a slam bang 3D presentation. It looks stunning and just causes greater separation between the images. This helps blurays in 3D where you can barely tell you are watching 3D since the effect is so subtle. (What is the point, if you are going to do 3D do it!) and actually may pull in older titles from the 50's to 80's where the separation is much wider which actually helps decrease crosstalk.

Now the problem is crosstalk itself and this set will show it with a bright white image overlapping a black image. Dial M for Murder at the beginning of chap. 2 with Ray Millan wearing a suit. (Always a black suit with a white shirt will show this) House of Wax Chap. 6 as Vincent Price wheelchairs his way through the wax museum, Tron Legacy chap. 5 where the 4 females are walking toward Sam, Oz: TGAP chap. 41 watch the fireworks going into the sky before they explode. A depth of 9 adds some pop to the 3D image and eliminates the crosstalk issues with current material and with older titles where the separation is more extreme it decreases it. Using a depth of 8 is better yet, but increases the crosstalk though it is barely noticeable and most wouldn't notice unless the pause button is on. Lastly the crosstalk seems far more noticeable in daytime viewing so watching in a dark room virtually eliminates this.

Trumotion set to user (default). Noticeable SOE even with dejudder set to 1 (watch the sex scene in 300 sequel or Mad Max: Fury Road in Chap. 3 any fast motion causes noticeable artifacts) very annoying!

I tried the B6 settings from rtings.com and wasn't impressed. I will definitely try the C6 settings when reviewed.

Why even messing with color and tint when even Chad B said those are accurate out of the box?

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[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

These are by far the best I have found. I use them on my 65C6P

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/...ings?uxtv=a3af

These are the best settings so far I have found. Copy all the white balance and color management settings. Then run the Disney WOW disc for your main adjustments.

I am getting ISF Dark
Oled Light 60
Brightness 53
Contrast 97
H sharpness 15
V Sharpness 15
Color 60
Tint R5

In expert control all off except I leave
Super Resolution Low
Edge Enhancement On
Color Gamut Normal
Gamma BT.1886
(same as Cinema Mode)

.

I dont get the reasoning behind those settings, and the 3D settings sounds very confusing

[vinnie97]

That also looks ridiculously bright for blackout viewing. OLED around 30 to 32 is where I've settled. Contrast much above 80 causes white clipping. Brightness is close (I shift between 52 and 53 content depending, with fine-tuning adjustments to 5 IRE 20-pt white balance to help with noise near black or to increase details near black). But I have seen no need for sharpness or any of the other unnecessary enhancements. That's just a way to add more noise to the PQ.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

That also looks ridiculously bright for blackout viewing. OLED around 30 to 32 is where I've settled. Contrast much above 80 causes white clipping. Brightness is close (I shift between 52 and 53 content depending, with fine-tuning adjustments to 5 IRE 20-pt white balance to help with noise near black or to increase details near black). But I have seen no need for sharpness or any of the other unnecessary enhancements. That's just a way to add more noise to the PQ.

Not only that, but it has been established by many calibrators that color and tint are very accurate out of the box, especially tint...Any more or less tint and faces start appearing either too green or too red.

[RockyIII]

FYI,
For those of you who reside in the US, Amazon is running a great deal on the Oled55C6 and Samsung UHD player combo...Great price too!
https://www.amazon.com/LG-OLED55C6P-...=lg+oled+c6+55

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why even messing with color and tint when even Chad B said those are accurate out of the box?

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I ran the Disney Wow disc as stated for the basic settings. Using the blue filter for color and tint. On my set even using the Cinema factory default setting which is essentially the same as the ISF modes setting the color at 50 did not get the shades of blue to match evenly. Bumping the color up to 60 does. The tint change accounts for the differences in the white balance and color management settings. Looking at the color slide for Rec. 709 ideally they should be all the same shade of blue.

[PRO-630HD]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I dont get the reasoning behind those settings, and the 3D settings sounds very confusing

Run the Disney Wow disc to YOUR display to get the 5 basic adjustments. DVE HD Basics, what have you. The picture can be a little soft with 10 and 10 for sharpness. Edge enhancement on is standard for ISF and Super Resolution Low for Cinema. These are extremely subtle adjustments and sharpness adjustment slide on the wow disc and putting your face 4 inches from the screen the differences with these adjustments on vs off are barely perceptible. If these were obtrusive settings they wouldn't be used in the ISF and Cinema modes as defaults.