Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk 4K UHD 60p/3D (2016)

[tyrok]

Originally Posted by ncraft

The Best Buy I went in to this morning only had two copies as well. It does seem to be the normal order for a lot of their 4K inventory. I'm assuming corporate orders for the stores based off of what movie had the biggest haul at the box office. They're definitely not ordering for the early adopters /enthusiasts like the people on these forums.

I'm pretty sure corporate has nothing to do with how many copies stores are sent. Each store is sent however many the studio thinks will sell based on previous sales data. Sony is really expecting low sales likely based on the box office despite the technical specs of the disc making it a must own for early adopters. It doesn't make any sense because even movies people have never heard of usually get stocked with at least 3-4 copies.

Sony is also not known to overnight new stock when something sells out. Stores probably won't have more of this until Friday at the earliest if you find yours has sold out of the 2 they got.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

All 4K versions should come with the 3D version too in the US.

Target wasn't very helpful when they omitted the 3D BD information and no actual picture of the cover art.

Anyway, I can't order this for some reason. So I'll source it from somewhere else. Most probably Amazon now.

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[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Fang Zei

I love how he went from saying that he wanted to shoot the first Avatar in 48p, to then saying he was going to one-up PJ by shooting the sequels at 60p (something he'd already done for the T2 3D show where he somehow managed to build a beamsplitter rig to shoot in Showscan 3D), only to then see the tremendous backlash The Hobbit's HFR received and change his tune to "I'm just going to do the fast action scenes in 48p." I'm very curious to see what he decides on.

Will definitely be interesting to see. As much as some here obviously like the technology the majority of critics and film writers seemed to bash the hell out of it in The Hobbit and this movie. Cameron has a magical talent from God to get asses in seats though, so if he tries to push it he might be more successful.

I hope not (sorry imsounoriginal).

[applemac]

the 60fps looks incredible. I wish more directors would use this.

[Dave_6]

If anyone wants to check out what 4K HDR and 60 fps look like without buying this disc, search for Meridian on Netflix. It's only 12 mins long and it's pretty much just a test for these technologies and how they work with Netflix streaming.

http://nofilmschool.com/2016/10/meri...-imf-streaming

[joenostalgia23]

Is anyone having trouble getting the HDR working on this?

The 60 fps is working fine for me, but usually my TV will indicate if there's an HDR signal but it hasn't here. Usually it's locked to HDR mode but I can switch to different video modes.

I'm watching on an LG 2016 OLED through a Philips UHD player. 4K 60p output is set to 4:4:4 but 4:2:0 is available if that might make a difference.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Is anyone having trouble getting the HDR working on this?

The 60 fps is working fine for me, but usually my TV will indicate if there's an HDR signal but it hasn't here. Usually it's locked to HDR mode but I can switch to different video modes.

I'm watching on an LG 2016 OLED through a Philips UHD player. 4K 60p output is set to 4:4:4 but 4:2:0 is available if that might make a difference.

That's exactly the reason: you have to force 4:2:0 otherwise HDMI 2.0 has not enough bandwidth to carry 2160p/60 fps at 10 bit with HDR.

Discs are encoded 4:2:0 anyway so you are not losing anything. 4:4:4 is useless for Blu-ray

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

That's exactly the reason: you have to force 4:2:0 otherwise HDMI 2.0 has not enough bandwidth to carry 2160p/60 fps with 10 bit HDR.

Discs are encoded 4:2:0 anyway so you are not losing anything. 4:4:4 is useless for Blu-ray

Uh...but if you set the Philips/Panasonic to 4:2:0 for 4K60 then it will force SDR on the 4K60 HDR signal by default.

With it set to 4:4:4 it will prioritise the signal how it sees fit, and clearly it's busting joe's signal down to SDR 4K60 anyway. The problem with the Philips/Panny chipset is that 12-bit is the default UHD bit depth output, not 10-bit, so if the TV can't accept 12-bit 4K60 at either 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 (both permitted in the HDMI 2.0 spec) then it's going to nuke the HDR and bust the signal down to 8-bit SDR.

Joe, during playback of the disc check the player's information screen (press Options, then go into Operations Menu and select the Playback Information Window) and it will tell you exactly what the video signal is encoded as (top line) and what it's actually outputting (third line).

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Uh...but if you set the Philips/Panasonic to 4:2:0 for 4K60 then it will force SDR on the 4K60 HDR signal by default.

With it set to 4:4:4 it will prioritise the signal how it sees fit, and clearly it's busting joe's signal down to SDR 4K60 anyway. The problem with the Philips/Panny chipset is that 12-bit is the default UHD bit depth output, not 10-bit, so if the TV can't accept 12-bit 4K60 at either 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 (both permitted in the HDMI 2.0 spec) then it's going to nuke the HDR and bust the signal down to 8-bit SDR.

Joe, during playback of the disc check the player's information screen (press Options, then go into Operations Menu and select the Playback Information Window) and it will tell you exactly what the video signal is encoded as (top line) and what it's actually outputting (third line).

Interesting. I don't own this disc yet, but I've got the Samsung K8500 player and the only options are 4:4:4 or RGB. I wonder if setting it to 4:4:4 will allow the player to correctly play the disc in HDR. Maybe someone who has played this movie on the Samsung player can chime in.

[nugget2016]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Interesting. I don't own this disc yet, but I've got the Samsung K8500 player and the only options are 4:4:4 or RGB. I wonder if setting it to 4:4:4 will allow the player to correctly play the disc in HDR. Maybe someone who has played this movie on the Samsung player can chime in.

do let us know when you get the disc. i am forced to use auto on my.player as i lose signal when changing to rgb limited or rgb enhanced or 4:4:4.. has to be kept on auto. weird

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Uh...but if you set the Philips/Panasonic to 4:2:0 for 4K60 then it will force SDR on the 4K60 HDR signal by default.

With it set to 4:4:4 it will prioritise the signal how it sees fit, and clearly it's busting joe's signal down to SDR 4K60 anyway. The problem with the Philips/Panny chipset is that 12-bit is the default UHD bit depth output, not 10-bit, so if the TV can't accept 12-bit 4K60 at either 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 (both permitted in the HDMI 2.0 spec) then it's going to nuke the HDR and bust the signal down to 8-bit SDR.

Joe, during playback of the disc check the player's information screen (press Options, then go into Operations Menu and select the Playback Information Window) and it will tell you exactly what the video signal is encoded as (top line) and what it's actually outputting (third line).

I don't get it: he said 4:2:0 is allowed on the menu, why HDR should be disabled then? Chroma subsampling has nothing to do with bitdepth and HDR.

Even at 12 bit, HDMI 2.0 can carry 4:2:0 within the specs. So if he changes the setting to 4:2:0 on the player, it should work fine

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by nugget2016

do let us know when you get the disc. i am forced to use auto on my.player as i lose signal when changing to rgb limited or rgb enhanced or 4:4:4.. has to be kept on auto. weird

I've never experienced that. I've been able to use all three options with various discs.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Interesting. I don't own this disc yet, but I've got the Samsung K8500 player and the only options are 4:4:4 or RGB. I wonder if setting it to 4:4:4 will allow the player to correctly play the disc in HDR. Maybe someone who has played this movie on the Samsung player can chime in.

It all depends on the gear it's connected to. I've read quite a few comments over these last 12 months of people having trouble with the Samsung's menu screens because they output at 4K60 10-bit (maybe even out-of-spec 10-bit 4K60 4:4:4), so they may get a surprise when playing Billy Lynn's. Or not.

This disc is going to be an interesting test of just how folks' respective gear (TVs, AVRs, even cables) is going to react to a full-fat 4K60 HDR signal.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It all depends on the gear it's connected to. I've read quite a few comments over these last 12 months of people having trouble with the Samsung's menu screens because they output at 4K60 10-bit (maybe even out-of-spec 10-bit 4K60 4:4:4), so they may get a surprise when playing Billy Lynn's. Or not.

This disc is going to be an interesting test of just how folks' respective gear (TVs, AVRs, even cables) is going to react to a full-fat 4K60 HDR signal.

My player is connected to a Samsung KS8000.

I've never had any issues with menus being displayed at 4K60 10-bit, so I guess that bodes well.

[MisterXDTV]

What we know for sure is that HDMI 2.0 doesn't have enough bandwidth for 4K60 @10 bit with 4:4:4 or RGB:

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I don't get it: he said 4:2:0 is allowed on the menu, why HDR should be disabled then? Chroma subsampling has nothing to do with bitdepth and HDR.

Even at 12 bit, HDMI 2.0 can carry 4:2:0 within the specs. So if he changes the setting to 4:2:0 on the player, it should work fine

Dude, I'm not saying that out of some misreading of HDMI spec, I'm saying that because it's there in the freakin' Panasonic UB900 manual, page 21:

When connected to a device or terminal that supports 4K (50p/60p) 4:2:0 (8bit) and lower, this unit plays back 50p/60p content by applying Dynamic Range Conversion to its HDR signals to output them.

The method of forcing 4:2:0 just for 4K60 content is on these Panny players (and derivatives thereof) precisely to work around the exact sort of issues that some folks had with the Samsung's menu's not displaying correctly (or at all), as it's expressly designed to chop the 4K60 signal down into a 10.2 Gb/s friendly HDMI signal format, e.g. SDR 8-bit 4:2:0, while the 24p playback is able to be output separately at 12-bit 4:2:2. Capito?

[Geoff D]

Oh, and people have reported not getting HDR on 4K streaming sources on these Panny/Philips players with the 4K60 setting on 4:2:0 precisely for the reasons outlined above as the players force ALL streaming content into 60Hz, so the separate 4K60 comes into play again. Only by setting 4K60 to 4:4:4 will it squirt out an HDR 4K60 signal at either 8-bit 4:4:4 or 12-bit 4:2:2, dependent on what the main subsampling output (under 'Colour Mode') has been set to.

[brainofj72]

Man, this movie looks WEIRD. There's no denying the clarity and detail, which are STAGGERING, but I find it hard to even focus on the movie with how unnaturally hyper real the image and motion are.

For the record, I have the Philips player, and it has no problem playing in 4K 60fps HDR, and I have it set to 4:4:4.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

Man, this movie looks WEIRD. There's no denying the clarity and detail, which are STAGGERING, but I find it hard to even focus on the movie with how unnaturally hyper real the image and motion are.

For the record, I have the Philips player, and it has no problem playing in 4K 60fps HDR, and I have it set to 4:4:4.

I guess it all depends on the HDMI cable then. The other poster who had issues with it probably has a cable that doesn't support 18 Gbps.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dude, I'm not saying that out of some misreading of HDMI spec, I'm saying that because it's there in the freakin' Panasonic UB900 manual, page 21:

The method of forcing 4:2:0 just for 4K60 content is on these Panny players (and derivatives thereof) precisely to work around the exact sort of issues that some folks had with the Samsung's menu's not displaying correctly (or at all), as it's expressly designed to chop the 4K60 signal down into a 10.2 Gb/s friendly HDMI signal format, e.g. SDR 8-bit 4:2:0, while the 24p playback is able to be output separately at 12-bit 4:2:2. Capito?

Oh my, what a mess!

So you are telling me that if you set 4:2:0, the player refuses to output above 8-bit? LOL