List of UHDs that utilize 4K or Higher Masters

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Cinematography is an art form, not a contest.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Cinematography is an art form, not a contest.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Cinematography is an art form, not a contest.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Cinematography is an art form, not a contest.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Cinematography is an art form, not a contest.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Cinematography is an art form, not a contest.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Cinematography is an art form, not a contest.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Cinematography is an art form, not a contest.

Amen.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Amen.

OMG, that's quite a stutter Geoff developed...

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by gkolb

OMG, that's quite a stutter Geoff developed...

I cut him off before he could repeat it as many times as necessary.

[AML]

Like I said, it's complicates. And studios prefer to save money. If the 2k image is "good enough", why should they spend the extra time and money?

Same was said about DVDs when people had smaller screens.

Anyway, when done right, 4k looks way better than 1080p. I'm looking forward to a bunch of remasters coming in September. T2, ET, close encounters, etc.

[wesslan]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I know that average bitrate for UHD ia usually 60 to 100. But what is the highest bitrate seen in 1080p bluray?

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Around 38-39.000 kbit for video. JP discs is usually very high.

[Geoff D]

Average bitrates sure, but I've seen peaks of 50+ Mb/s on regular Blu owing to the buffer overshoot.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Average bitrates sure, but I've seen peaks of 50+ Mb/s on regular Blu owing to the buffer overshoot.

My Sony BD6500 player has a Display button that enables to view real-time bitrate. On regular bluray bitrate keeps fluctuating from 20 to 30 average

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[ohreally]

Originally Posted by AML

You can ignore me, but it's like you have your heads in the sand.
If the trend of making 2k di's continues, I guess I just won't be buying that many 4k discs.

What he said.

I don't usually post in forums but this issue I have to speak on.
Marketing something as 4K that really is not is bad business / lie / rip-off.

The fact that people who actually know better are still supporting this makes you as bad as the studios and are doing a genuine disservice to the average joe on the street who does not know any better and wastes his/her money on these releases.

Some folks need to check which way their moral compass is pointing...

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by ohreally

The fact that people who actually know better are still supporting this makes you as bad as the studios and are doing a genuine disservice to the average joe on the street who does not know any better and wastes his/her money on these releases.

When you wrote this, and even called us immoral afterward, did you stop to think why educated people on these subjects might be supporting the format and raving about it? Did you maybe think "hmmm, there might be something here I'm not seeing." Or did you just assume you know best and we're all... since you admit we're not dumb... getting paid off or something?

The facts are this:

1) 2k masters can benefit quite nicely from the added resolution over 1080p and the upscale.

2) HDR and wide color gamut are even bigger upgrades and really sell the format. Every time I watch a BD now, even amazing discs like Guardians of the Galaxy last night and Spectre tonight, I see how flat many of the scenes are without HDR.

Go share that as truth across the web.

[AML]

It doesn't matter that 2k masters benefit from being upscaled.
Its the same as taking a 1080p bluray and putting it in a 4k player, then upscaling it.
Its not real 4k. Period.

HDR is great, im happy we get to enjoy that now. Im also really happy with Atmos and DTSX. I never thought it would get better than lossless audio like DTS HD MA, and Dolby True HD, but it did get better.

And looking at true 4k masters like Leon, The Martian, Billy Lynn, Sully, etc, the format has great potential.

And its being squandered by all this 2k upscaling BS the studios are throwing our way.

Whether a 2k Di looks great or a 4k Di looks average, isn't the damn point.

Over time 4k transfers will get better and better the same way 1080p transfers are now great over the first batch of discs that came out.

What we cant allow is laziness from the studios.
They have to make 4k Di transfers as a matter of principle.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by ohreally

What he said.

I don't usually post in forums but this issue I have to speak on.
Marketing something as 4K that really is not is bad business / lie / rip-off.

The fact that people who actually know better are still supporting this makes you as bad as the studios and are doing a genuine disservice to the average joe on the street who does not know any better and wastes his/her money on these releases.

Some folks need to check which way their moral compass is pointing...

Originally Posted by AML

It doesn't matter that 2k masters benefit from being upscaled.
Its the same as taking a 1080p bluray and putting it in a 4k player, then upscaling it.
Its not real 4k. Period.

HDR is great, im happy we get to enjoy that now. Im also really happy with Atmos and DTSX. I never thought it would get better than lossless audio like DTS HD MA, and Dolby True HD, but it did get better.

And looking at true 4k masters like Leon, The Martian, Billy Lynn, Sully, etc, the format has great potential.

And its being squandered by all this 2k upscaling BS the studios are throwing our way.

Whether a 2k Di looks great or a 4k Di looks average, isn't the damn point.

Over time 4k transfers will get better and better the same way 1080p transfers are now great over the first batch of discs that came out.

What we cant allow is laziness from the studios.
They have to make 4k Di transfers as a matter of principle.

Some of the people amaze me here, complete lack of research on tech, or the results to date, its strictly number watching with you folks or regurgitating bobble head talking points from the internet blogs.

You guys sound like fools, and rightfully so.

Halfway through your thread, as someone who has been using 4K since Mar 2016, you began to appear to me like this:



And since you seem to be the one that is SLOW on the uptake, HDR and WCG (as stated above) are larger upgrades than 2K vs 4K, so get over yourself. You aren't as smart and as enlightening as you think you are.

Pic a better cause to fight for, like saving the African Polar Bear.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

You guys sound like fools, and rightfully so.

Call them fools and whiners all you want, but it doesn't make them wrong. HDR may arguably be a "bigger" improvement than the difference between 2K and 4K, but 2K-to-4K is still a significant feature and a major part of the potential value in these discs. We should be demanding we more often receive the feature the studios are relentlessly advertising to us.

[elwaylite]

If you say HDR is "arguably" the the bigger improvement, you are a fool too.

I've pretty much stopped posting in tech threads here, because it's basically loaded with curmudgeons who don't know shit yet think they do, this thread is a prime example.

Ask yourself the major market for 4K blu-ray right now? Flatpanels. What matters more in home on flat panels, 2K, 4K or HDR? It's HDR. There is no argument.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

If you say HDR is "arguably" the the bigger improvement, you are a fool too.

I've pretty much stopped posting in tech threads here, because it's basically loaded with curmudgeons who don't know shit yet think they do, this thread is a prime example.

Ask yourself the major market for 4K blu-ray right now? Flatpanels. What matters more in home on flat panels, 2K, 4K or HDR? It's HDR. There is no argument.

Well, isn't that pleasant... anyone with aesthetic priorities that don't precisely match your own is a fool and simply wrong. Ok. I guess we're done here. And you and I do agree on one thing: it's probably best you stay out of these threads.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Well, isn't that pleasant... anyone with aesthetic priorities that don't precisely match your own is a fool and simply wrong. Ok. I guess we're done here. And you and I do agree on one thing: it's probably best you stay out of these threads.

Well, you know the old saying, "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen."

[AML]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

And since you seem to be the one that is SLOW on the uptake, HDR and WCG (as stated above) are larger upgrades than 2K vs 4K, so get over yourself. You aren't as smart and as enlightening as you think you are.

How so?
I said HDR is a great upgrade over blu ray. Upscaled 2k Di's DO look better than standard blu rays.

All im asking is for proper 4k Di transfers.

I dont understand all the hostility on these forums.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Well, you know the old saying, "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen."

How 'bout the other one, "Don't burn your food"?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by AML

How so?
I said HDR is a great upgrade over blu ray. Upscaled 2k Di's DO look better than standard blu rays.

All im asking is for proper 4k Di transfers.

I dont understand all the hostility on these forums.

Indeed. Let's be adults in here. If 4K transfers aren't as big a deal to you, that's fine, but there's no need to insult those of us that are interested in them.

[AML]

And all this in a post dedicated to listing only 4k DI transfers....

People on this thread have been nothing but hostile towards me and others agreeing with me, and said that it doesn't matter if they are 2Kdi's as long as the transfers are good.

So forgive me if im confused about peoples attitudes on this particular post.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by AML

And all this in a post dedicated to listing only 4k DI transfers....

People on this thread have been nothing but hostile towards me and others agreeing with me, and said that it doesn't matter if they are 2Kdi's as long as the transfers are good.

So forgive me if im confused about peoples attitudes on this particular post.

No, what you should have said is that people have been responding to YOUR hostility.