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[42041]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

So where do we draw the line, seriously?

Is all collecting hoarding then? Art collectors are hoarders? People who save pictures/photo albums are hoarders?

Can you physically own anything that you don't absolutely need and not be a hoarder?

Just curious.

It depends on why you buy or keep things, and I think it can be a pretty fine line. A slight hoarding instinct is a pretty normal part of the human mind I think, the feeling of sentimental attachment towards photos and items, the feeling of satisfaction when something is complete and ordered, etc is the exact mental process that drives obsessive hoarding when it gets out of whack.
Some people collect things that may be legitimate investments, and hold or appreciate in value (blu-rays, on average, won't). Some people just love movies and actively view their collection. But if you're buying a ton of movies you never watch, if you buy things because your subconscious is yanking at you to fill some void, then your collecting is probably unhealthy.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by msb1428

I don't think your liking streaming is stupid at all!!! I just don't like the fact that you can loose your collection at the hands of the provider and they will not reimburse you for you loss. That's really what I don't like about it. If I could actually download a copy of the movie I would probably go digital.

Honestly that is the only thing I find problematic. I have built up quite a few movies on UV but I do wonder what would happen if UV ceased to be. If I lose all of my movies because of this I swear I would never buy another movie again. I would like to think that it is not in the movie studio's best interest to ever let something like happen. Studios are definitely trying to move consumers to digital. Age of Ultron is releasing digitally a whole month before the physical release.

[AutomaticDriver]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

Your blu ray is contingent on your electricity working. Do you worry about your power grid going down?

You do realize that some people own a power generator, right? So for those people, they don't have to worry about the power going down.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

By your own admission, you surround yourself with electronics and are constantly online. Quit talking in a tone like you're above surrounding yourself with material possessions when, in fact, being online constantly requires you to be surrounded by material possessions.

This is a false equivalency. A computer is a necessity for work and such things as managing finances. Of course there is entertainment value, but I only have one computer and a laptop which is required for work and an Xbox One I use for streaming media and some light gaming.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by AutomaticDriver

You do realize that some people own a power generator, right? So for those people, they don't have to worry about the power going down.

So if the power goes down, your first concern is how in the world are you going to watch a movie?

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by 42041

But if you're buying a ton of movies you never watch, if you buy things because your subconscious is yanking at you to fill some void, then your collecting is probably unhealthy.

But the exact same compulsion is possible with Digital. The fact that it exists on the internet or on your computer hard drive instead of being a physical object doesn't really change that.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

Why would you consider a physical collection a disease yet a digital collection is perfectly normal? Shouldn't they both be viewed as obsessive compulsive by your logic?

I have built up my digital library because I used my UV codes right from the start. I have purchased quite a few movies over the years if I am to be honest. I just decided at one point to be more of a minimalist. I buy movies I like and know I am going to watch from users who sell their codes. If I don't like a movie, I will even shoot an email to Vudu to remove the movie from my list.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

But the exact same compulsion is possible with Digital. The fact that it exists on the internet or on your computer hard drive instead of being a physical object doesn't really change that.

I completely agree, and I'm hardly the model of sanity in that regard. I've put a hold on buying games on Steam recently because I found myself buying tons of games just because they were on sale, and at this point it'll probably take me the better part of a decade to find time for all the games I bought and haven't played yet (I think this is a pretty common problem for Steam users ).

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

But the exact same compulsion is possible with Digital. The fact that it exists on the internet or on your computer hard drive instead of being a physical object doesn't really change that.

Your right. That's why I would never buy Labor Pains or the Fantastic Four reboot. God that movie was awful. But if Fox sells multiple packaged versions of Fantastic Four, people will run out combing every store to own every single version even if they hated the movie. The steelbook, the digibook, the version with the Thing plush toy and so on.

[JasonHensley]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

This is a false equivalency. A computer is a necessity for work and such things as managing finances. Of course there is entertainment value, but I only have one computer and a laptop which is required for work and an Xbox One I use for streaming media and some light gaming.

I notice you never commented where I sold off my whole collection a few years ago. That was one of the biggest benefits of owning physical media. I was able to make a return on them. Whereas if I had spent that money on a digital collection it would have been worthless. It really puzzles me that some people in this thread have stated that the value of physical media will decline while ignoring that any money you spend on digital media is worthless.

[42041]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

I notice you never commented where I sold off my whole collection a few years ago. That was one of the biggest benefits of owning physical media. I was able to make a return on them. Whereas if I had spent that money on a digital collection it would have been worthless. It really puzzles me that some people in this thread have stated that the value of physical media will decline while ignoring that any money you spend on digital media is worthless.

A return? Unless you were very prescient with what you bought, I doubt you were able to do better than recoup some small part of your investment. A good bit of the blu-rays I've bought over the years are basically no longer worth my time to sell, except if someone can haul it off in lots.

[AutomaticDriver]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

So if the power goes down, your first concern is how in the world are you going to watch a movie?

You asked another member, "Do you worry about your power grid going down?" Which I took it as, trying to make an argument that physical isn't 100% reliable either. That if the power goes out, it is impossible to watch your physical disc.

So all I was trying to say is.. If someone has a power generator, they don't have to worry about the power going down.

[JasonHensley]

Originally Posted by 42041

A return? Unless you were very prescient with what you bought, I doubt you were able to do better than recoup some part of your investment. A good bit of the blu-rays I've bought over the years are basically no longer worth my time to sell, except if someone can haul it off in lots.

You can get some return on a physical format. A digital collection is worthless. It's sad that you will try to argue that a physical format isn't worth much when it comes to resell but act as if digital will have value. I had a collection of around 500 blurays and 800 DVDs. It brought me cash when I needed it. A digital collection that size would have done nothing.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

I notice you never commented where I sold off my whole collection a few years ago. That was one of the biggest benefits of owning physical media. I was able to make a return on them. Whereas if I had spent that money on a digital collection it would have been worthless. It really puzzles me that some people in this thread have stated that the value of physical media will decline while ignoring that any money you spend on digital media is worthless.

Your right. Digital has no resale value. It would be great if some of this streaming companies would allow a system where you could sell your copy a movie or even a game to another user. I doubt it will happen but one could hope. I too sold a lot of my discs on Ebay and made some good money on them. I can't argue with you regarding resale value. But I am finding that the resale value of discs are declining on Ebay.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

Your right. That's why I would never buy Labor Pains or the Fantastic Four reboot. God that movie was awful. But if Fox sells multiple packaged versions of Fantastic Four, people will run out combing every store to own every single version even if they hated the movie. The steelbook, the digibook, the version with the Thing plush toy and so on.

And I would agree that those people have a problem. But I refuse to be called a hoarder because I collect movies that I love. Even if I buy multiple versions of a (very) few of them.

I never buy anything that I don't intend to watch again and again. And I buy them for superior quality and, yes, artwork and packaging design (for the same reason that anybody would collect something artistically beautiful).

And I like to have physical ownership of these films that I love so much. If that makes me an evil disciple of consumerism, then so be it.

But I am not a hoarder.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by AutomaticDriver

You asked another member, "Do you worry about your power grid going down?" Which I took it as, trying to make an argument that physical isn't 100% reliable either. That if the power goes out, it is impossible to watch your physical disc.

So all I was trying to say is.. If someone has a power generator, they don't have to worry about the power going down.

Fair enough.

[42041]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

It would be great if some of this streaming companies would allow a system where you could sell your copy a movie or even a game to another user. I doubt it will happen but one could hope. I too sold a lot of my discs on Ebay and made some good money on them. I can't argue with you regarding resale value. But I am finding that the resale value of discs are declining on Ebay.

Not a chance. Used sales are terrible for business, and I wouldn't be surprised if studios pushed for some sort of measures against resale in future physical formats.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

And I would agree that those people have a problem. But I refuse to be called a hoarder because I collect movies that I love. Even if I buy multiple versions of a (very) few of them.

I never buy anything that I don't intend to watch again and again. And I buy them for superior quality and, yes, artwork and packaging design (for the same reason that anybody would collect something artistically beautiful).

And I like to have physical ownership of these films that I love so much. If that makes me an evil disciple of consumerism, then so be it.

But I am not a hoarder.

I never suggested that you or any specific poster is a hoarder. I was just pointing out that some collecting can be considered hoarding. I am not trying to offend anyone. We are just having an honest debate.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by 42041

Not a chance. Used sales are terrible for business, and I wouldn't be surprised if studios pushed for some sort of measures against resale in future physical formats.

I agree. That's why movie studios and game studios are pushing for all digital ownership. To remove used sales from companies like Gamestop and Moviestop as they see no profits from the resale market. No doubt about that.

[42041]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

You can get some return on a physical format. A digital collection is worthless. It's sad that you will try to argue that a physical format isn't worth much when it comes to resell but act as if digital will have value. I had a collection of around 500 blurays and 800 DVDs. It brought me cash when I needed it. A digital collection that size would have done nothing.

I'm not making any such argument - I'm aware that digital distribution is a strictly money in, entertainment out kind of deal, and for things like movies and games, I'm okay with that. Unless you're aggressively buying and selling second-hand (essentially renting), buying discs is still mostly money down the drain. And I don't know how you guys go about selling your collection, but my experience is that it's not exactly cost-free in headaches and time spent.