Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[theNothingComes]

Originally Posted by cawgijoe

9 posts....new member......having his chuckles......please close and delete this FUD.

If it's just a newbie not knowing what he is doing, then I apologize....

Thanks for the apology

[StilettoViper]

Originally Posted by Xerious

what's with you and the homer comments? homer was a very intelligent man, he did write the illiad you know...

There are several definitions, there is Homer who wrote the Iliad, Homer Simpson, and "homer's" in general.

Generally speaking the term "homer" means you have 0 objectivity, nothing but a cheerleader who waves pom-pom's, will never admit to anything the other team or in our case "product" like HD-DVD has is good or worth owning, someone who is basically a sheep. There are tons of HD-DVD homer's and there are tons of Blu-Homers. Just blind pom-pom waving idiots....

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

You are not an avg consumer. Anyone who posts on this forum or owns a high def player currently is in that 5% who's taken the leap already.

The REAL $$ is in the other 95% who haven't jumped yet. Early adopters always appreciate new technology and jump asap, but they make up a relatively small number of the pie.

This is a stretch, but one could say that the war is just starting this xmas now with the $199 player. Prior to this, it was just a scrimmage!!

I'm not average....oh really. I don't even own a Bluray player lol. My job is to buy highdef product for franchise Blockbuster Videos.

You said no one purchased DVD until the players were under $200. That is false.

You guys like to quote a lot of numbers....it would be helpful to show where they come from. For the record, DVD didn't hit mainstream until surprise, surprise.....ALL STUIDOS started releasing their titles on DVD. I know this for a fact because I have sales data to back it up. When holdouts like Fox finally went over to DVD is when you started to see mass adoption.

Personally I think $400 is too much for the common consumer at this point but you have to be crazy to think half the movies not releasing on HD DVD isn't a big deal.....not to mention the next two months heavly favors Bluray in strength of titles. Price is a second concern to full studio support.....I learned that back with DVD.

[StilettoViper]

Originally Posted by k20king

i think HD-DUD fan boys don't read, especially classic literature like the illiad, but it only shows that us Blu supporters do.

Go Blu!

Obviously it is you who cannot read. I am a Blu supporter but Im not blind to HD-DVD and the technology it offers as well as the threat to Blu-Ray. Go fluff your Blu pom-pom's. LOL

[Kristin Simard]

Outdated and obsolete technology will always be cheaper.

Two options here for leaving behind the obsolete DVD:

1) Move up to another obsolete technology, HD DVD.

2) Move up to the best that's commercially available: Blu-ray.

Which do you think will be cheapest?
Which is the best move?

Damn, I should be a first grade teacher

[StilettoViper]

Originally Posted by BigB88

The "suddenly" or "all of a sudden" is that now the market has matured a bit and there are more titles to be had on both formats. A sub-$200 piece of crap from Toshiba will cause problems for BD. Each consumer that unknowingly buys one of these pieces of junk is one less Blu-ray consumer. The more of these being dumped on the market, the more potential HD-DVD customers you have out there and the less for Blu-ray. Then the studios start to release more on HD DVD becuase of these crp players selling so well (or in this case, being given away in an effective manner). My question to the BDA is why take that chance? Lower your price just a little (not down to Toshiba's price level, no way should we go that low), but just $50-$75 would do the trick, along with the $399 PS3. Also bundle BD players with HDTV's and really lower the price on older Profile 1.0 players (1st gen's). By doing all of this, they can reduce the numbers of customers picking up the cheap junk, stay competitive with the cheaper option and most importantly grow their own Blu market.

100% agree Big. It's truly a threat. Good post. Let's hope the BDA makes a positive move before Christmas.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by theNothingComes

I started my film collecting with Super 8mm (yes I'm that old). So I know grain.

Went from film to the RCA dics, LDs, VHS (hated it), DVD loved it - Blu-Ray (can't and hopefully won't have to live with out it)

I will be trying a number of things suggested and I will be very carefull from now on as to how I word my postings.

After my apologies I hope that everyone will not view me as a troll, turd or jackass but really a true and devoted blu lover.

Your good buddy , everybody gets a little jumpy over here from time to time

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

The 5% DO decide the war, because regardless of price point the masses will not buy either product until the war is over.

You are completely clueless if you do not understand this.

Hell, Toshiba is clueless because they don't understand this.

1. The other 95% is starting to decide right now that $199 makes them not want to wait any more.
2. This $199 customer would not have bought a $399 ps3 which is the cheapest Blu option!!
3. Warner is waiting to see if these units = software sales (may or may not?)
4. Toshiba has fired their shot, we need to return fire now!! 4th quarter come backs suck for the team that let off towards the end.

[StilettoViper]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

The 5% DO decide the war, because regardless of price point the masses will not buy either product until the war is over.

You are completely clueless if you do not understand this.

Hell, Toshiba is clueless because they don't understand this.

No way. The war will not be decided until either Warner Bros. decides to go exclusive or Blu-Ray releases a sub $200 player. Until then, it's just going to go on and on. I think with Blu-Ray currently in the lead if they let HD-DVD catch up by releasing a low cost player it will just extend the war that much longer. People ABSOLUTELY will and are going to buy the sub $200 HD-DVD player. Why wouldn't they?? It's cheap...and like another poster said, anyone who buys one is going to not worry about Blu-Ray anymore....

[WickyWoo]

I started my film collecting with Super 8mm (yes I'm that old). So I know grain.

Went from film to the RCA dics, LDs, VHS (hated it), DVD loved it - Blu-Ray (can't and hopefully won't have to live with out it)

I know a guy who has all kinds of 16mm prints that he and his buddies would get for the weekly film showings in college back in the 70s.

Then would take them over to the film lab and dupe them (which was extremely naughty mind you). In the early 80s a local film enthusiast would run a monthly "family film night" at the elementary school where we'd see those same kind of 16mm prints

It's rare to see someone who's come up like you on these forums, good to have you here Viva la CED (which I think were still the coolest with the big cartridges, I wish Blu had gone caddy for a similar effect)

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

There are several definitions, there is Homer who wrote the Iliad, Homer Simpson, and "homer's" in general.

Generally speaking the term "homer" means you have 0 objectivity, nothing but a cheerleader who waves pom-pom's, will never admit to anything the other team or in our case "product" like HD-DVD has is good or worth owning, someone who is basically a sheep. There are tons of HD-DVD homer's and there are tons of Blu-Homers. Just blind pom-pom waving idiots....

You have an OPINION and other people have an OPINION on the best strategy ... so that makes you just as big of an idiot as the people your calling idiots...thereby doing a disservice to others and yourself thru your failure to recognize it.

[dillycheeze]

i have to say, the PQ of 3 was very good, but after i finished 3, i put 2 in to check out the PQ and was pretty disappointed....it feels like the encodes from 1 & 2 were done a year ago (more on par with the early blus) and just now made it out.....pretty surprising since everything that has come from sony recently has been outstanding....dont get me wrong, 1 & 2 destroy the DVD versions, but they should be a mile above

[tron3]

Originally Posted by theNothingComes

...

I was looking for some help on this because I don't understand how the quality can be so noticeably different from Spiderman 3, which as I have stated, is amazing! Spiderman 2 is not! I'm asking why?
...

I THINK one and two are on BD25 and three is on BD50. At least, that is what I recall reading.

I watched part one last night. Thought it looked great, but missing something. Tossed in part two for a quick view, about the same. Part three did seem better. Either that or the opening menu impressed the hell out of me.

Either way, time to eat all that pre-popped corn I made months ago anticipating this trilogy.

[MATTYBLU2]

hi, i purchased a $200 hd player and i purchased a HD transformers and i had no lossless sound and it did not look that great, it was all grainy? whats going on??

























NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!












BECAUSE HD SUCKS!!!!!

I RUN BLU OIL ONLY IN MY ENGINE!!!!

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by Leaf

now that sub $199 hd dvd players are flying off shelves what are blu-ray doing to counter it? if they wait to see if this have an impact on software sales it might already be too late.

We count their strikes.

[StilettoViper]

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

You have an OPINION and other people have an OPINION on the best strategy ... so that makes you just as big of an idiot as the people your calling idiots...thereby doing a disservice to others and yourself thru your failure to recognize it.

LOL whatever brah...it's total blind pom-pom waving for Blu-Ray for some. No objectivity. It's not opinion. It's blind loyalty. Sad thing is I'm all for blu-ray and try to educate all the people I know on it but as I've said, I'm not blind to the threats like the sub $200 player. The people who think Blu is unbeatable are just like the people who thought Beta was unbeatable. Absolutely no difference in their mindset and most were shocked when VHS finally over-took Beta. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

[theNothingComes]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

I know a guy who has all kinds of 16mm prints that he and his buddies would get for the weekly film showings in college back in the 70s.

Then would take them over to the film lab and dupe them (which was extremely naughty mind you). In the early 80s a local film enthusiast would run a monthly "family film night" at the elementary school where we'd see those same kind of 16mm prints

It's rare to see someone who's come up like you on these forums, good to have you here Viva la CED (which I think were still the coolest with the big cartridges, I wish Blu had gone caddy for a similar effect)

I know this is way off of my original post but may explain why I'm using the terminology - possibly (probably) incorrectly in talking about the quality of Spiderman 3 vrs. Spiderman 2.

My first film on Super 8 was a film put out by Castle films later to become Universal 8. From there I bought films from Red Fox, Blackhawk etc. all were of varying quality. I also purchased dupes which did not come from original negatives but existing prints. Because of this, film grain went anywhere from tight (original excellent sharp negatives used to make the prints that were sold) to fuzzy (bad dupe made from a really bad print which you stated in your post).

When describing Spiderman 2 I used the term grain only because of a film term. It was the only way I knew to describe my situation. Maybe I'm just driving everyone nuts and they're wishing I'd drop this altogether. To me there is a significant difference between 2 & 3. I was elated with 3 causing disappointment with 2. I wish someone who has seen both would weigh in.

[MATTYBLU2]

this thread has got me all pissed off and i am sick of hearing about these crappy $200 HD toilet players. get a life trolls. your format sucks and BLU RULES!!!!



simple answer: All HD player owners return your players, suck it up and buy a blu ray player, end of war, end of *****in little babies.



sorry for the rant, but just sick of this.

[Dyana B]

Hello Gentlemen,
Dyana here... Just wanted to tell you that I purchased the Spiderman Trilogy yesterday. When I inserted the first film, it played just fine. Then I sampled the second and a funny thing happened. The menu screen came on, yet the menu options were nowhere to be found, which of course was very frustrating. I almost wanted to return the trilogy and replace it.

So I reset my player (BDP-S300) to the original factory settings and voila!!!
It worked like a charm. Perhaps the person having problems with the second film should try to reset his player to the original factory settings, provided that it may help him as well... just a suggestion.

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by MATTYBLU2

this thread has got me all pissed off and i am sick of hearing about these crappy $200 HD toilet players. get a life trolls. your format sucks and BLU RULES!!!!



sorry for the rant, but just sick of this.

I own a ps3 and just because I don't blindly think that blu doesn't have a threat I'm considered a troll? You sound like a republican!!!!