Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[mechagrover]

Originally Posted by tron3

I THINK one and two are on BD25 and three is on BD50. At least, that is what I recall reading.

I thought so too, but after checking, all three films are on BD50. The SM3 extras disc is a BD25

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

No way. The war will not be decided until either Warner Bros. decides to go exclusive or Blu-Ray releases a sub $200 player. Until then, it's just going to go on and on. I think with Blu-Ray currently in the lead if they let HD-DVD catch up by releasing a low cost player it will just extend the war that much longer. People ABSOLUTELY will and are going to buy the sub $200 HD-DVD player. Why wouldn't they?? It's cheap...and like another poster said, anyone who buys one is going to not worry about Blu-Ray anymore....

listen to what he is saying before you commment on it. The number one issue is currently not PRICE. It's the stupid war with Bluray having MOST of the theatrical titles EXCLUSIVE to that format while HD has less titles exclusive to them.

It's the war that is delaying mass adoption, not some stupid $100 price drop. You really think average joe is going to walk into the stores this holiday season and see Spiderman 3, Ratatouille, Die Hard 4, Hairspray, Superbad, Pirates 3, Simpsons and Rush Hour 3 on BR exclusively and think "oh well it doesn't matter".

How thick headed can you be....honestly? No I'm not deluded in thinking cheap players won't sale but you guys are seriously drinking the HD koolaid if you think the $200 pricepoint is the turning point.

The turning point is when ALL STUDIOS release on one format, period. How many times do professionals need to explain to you that it's the war that is preventing mass adoption and not PRICE.

For the record, when you say the war would end when Warner announced it would go exclusive I hope you mean on Bluray only. If it announced exclusive on HD the war would NEVER end offically. Disney, Fox, and Sony are not going to HD, period. There would be no end if the major studios are split down the middle. And again, you can have a $50 HD or BR player.....if the stuidos are split down the line on which format to choose customers are NOT stupid.....they'll notice when they can't get Transformers or Spiderman or Pirates 3 for their player.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Well, I have to say, this thread has been an interesting read. And good points have been brought up by all. Is this a threat? Yes it is. Should we be concerned? Yes, to a degree, but not in a "we need to get our 1.0 players out there for $200!". What needs to be done is to ramp-up the education of the masses on Blu-ray. In the end, this will benefit Blu so long as it is countered properly. Personally, I think money would be best spent through the media in touting the advantages, rather than deep-discounting our players to match Toshiba.

Also, those that have stated that the software is where the war will be won are correct. Studios don't care how many people are buying one player over the other, they care about how many people are buying their software. Plain and simple. Every J6P could have an DUD player, but if they're just using it as an up-converter for their DVD's and not buying titles, the studios will be ill-inclined to go DUD exclusive. And the same would hold true if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'm hoping that WB announces Blu-exclusivity. That would be fantastic. But even if it went in the other direction it wouldn't be a death-blow to Blu. Can the same be said of DUD?

Look, in the end this format war is going to be decided by the Studios in the format that they choose to back. I think this is a big reason why Uni still hasn't made any big announcements about their A-list titles being released. They're still on the fence (even though they may be DUD "exclusive publicly), and waiting to see where they can make the most money.

Just my 2 cents.

[TauRus]

I am starting to see a lot of these "panic" threads opened by the new forum members. What Blu is doing? How do we react? bluh bluh bluh.
Pretty soon we will be having our own version of MidnightWatcher, SlimGoodbooby, etc.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Another arrogant post. We have so many geniuses on this board. I'm pleased to be a part of it. If only these multi-billion dollar companies would listen to our message board. We know what they should be doing, not them. Ugh. Ignored.

The Customer is always right. Of course you don't seem to think this way, so I'm sure you are part of the arrogant corporations, the very thing your complaining about. That post wasn't arrogant, these companies and you are.

[Go Blu]

This is FUNNY.

It seems that there is no in between here.
There are some that are the opinion that no one will want a $200 player.
Then there is the other half that is rightfully concerned about the threat.

There is truth and reality for both.
If you only see one way then you are out of touch with reality.

If you are not really worried about the cheap players then there should be no reason why you would want WARNER to go Blu. If it were in the "bag" already it wouldn't matter and there wouldn't be a war.

Each an every DUD player is your enemy, no matter the price or where its sold. Because unlike a PS3 its sole purpose is to play DUD movies.

[MATTYBLU2]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

I own a ps3 and just because I don't blindly think that blu doesn't have a threat I'm considered a troll? You sound like a republican!!!!

what the hell are you talking about????? was i talking to you??? did i quote you on something????


than be quiet!!!!

[theNothingComes]

Originally Posted by tron3

I THINK one and two are on BD25 and three is on BD50. At least, that is what I recall reading.

I watched part one last night. Thought it looked great, but missing something. Tossed in part two for a quick view, about the same. Part three did seem better. Either that or the opening menu impressed the hell out of me.

Either way, time to eat all that pre-popped corn I made months ago anticipating this trilogy.

For this and dillycheese comments - THANK YOU! I agree. Spiderman 2 blu is miles above my dvd copy but it just isn't as fine and clean a picture as Spiderman 3. If this is the way they were produced, so be it. Blu has so much to offer and my expectations were so high that, yes I was dissapointed with 2. If I'd seen it first before 3 it may not have seemed so jarring. I guess "--it is what it is."

[tron3]

Point 1: For HD DVD to already have sub $200 players this early in the game proves they really did build that sub-par piece of junk based on sub-par dvd technology. Either that, or they are losing their shirts on the players.

Point 2: Blu-camp knows this part of November tends to slow down as many people wait until Thanksgiving weekend to look for deals. Right now, everyone is just eyeballing prices.

Come Thanksgiving weekend, I'm sure we will see some sort of deal suddenly spring forth. Then something come the following Monday because that is when all the Internet shoppers hit the web.

Blu-camp has countered HD DVD successfully each time. If Transformers could not save them, then only Star Wars can. Oh wait, that's right. It will ONLY come out on blu-ray.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

And one more thing> Can we all be civil here? There's a lot of name calling and angry posts being thrown out here, and I just don't see any reason for it. If we were all physically in a room together I would think there'd be a bar-room brawl already broken out.

The OP, in my opinion, is a troll. This kind of post has been started by "new Blu-ray members" several times before, usually after anything DUD positive has been released in the media, and it always turns out the same. We don't need to be fighting amongst ourselves over something so trivial.

As I've stated before, this is something to be concerned with, but certainly nothing that warrants the kind of reaction and negativity that has been displayed in this forum on the subject. Personally, I think it's high time this post be closed.

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by Go Blu

This is FUNNY.

It seems that there is no in between here.
There are some that are the opinion that no one will want a $200 player.
Then there is the other half that is rightfully concerned about the threat.

There is truth and reality for both.
If you only see one way then you are out of touch with reality.

If you are not really worried about the cheap players then there should be no reason why you would want WARNER to go Blu. If it were in the "bag" already it wouldn't matter and there wouldn't be a war.

Each an every DUD player is your enemy, no matter the price or where its sold. Because unlike a PS3 its sole purpose is to play DUD movies.

The problem is people are treating this $200 player it's the secret weapon and caught everyone off guard....hello everyone has known about the $200 price point for MONTHS now. The real threat is if Warner titles suddenly become 50/50 split in sales. Say for instance Harry Potter releases and the sales show 50/50 in the US.

That is what people should be afraid of and every point that has been made in this thread so far suggests people buying this "cheap" player will just rent titles. For this reason only I don't think the 200 player is a big deal right now.....software sales are what matter, not hardware or rental activity.

If HD had the New Release slate in for the next two months this might be a bigger deal....right now they have only a couple of exclusives that mean anything (Shrek and Bourne).

[Banjo]

I watched the first part on Blu-ray the other night; the picture quality wasn't too shabby. However, I did notice quite a few shots where edge enhancement was overused.

For instance, the scene where Peter Parker tells Aunt May of Uncle Ben's death. Did you notice the halo around Peter's legs? I don’t know how anyone could not see it. One of the worst uses of edge enhancement I’ve came across so far. The Untouchables had some scenes where edge enhancement was overused. Spider-Man took the cake. Thankfully, it’s not bad throughout the movie. The picture quality, I would rate around 3.0 to 4.0. The night/dark scenes were the worst.

I watched some of Spider-Man 2 last night. I can tell you it looks somewhere better than the first. I didn’t watch all of Spider-Man 3 just yet, but it looks amazing.

Though Spider-Man still is plagued with the rubberman syndrome. It’s something I’ve always had a problem with. :-/

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

LOL whatever brah...it's total blind pom-pom waving for Blu-Ray for some.

Does that include the somes that have provided reasons or just the somes that haven't?

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

It's not opinion. It's blind loyalty.

In your opinion. Many people have put significant thought into their choices to reach their decision. Since the word decision is rooted in "to kill the alternatives" that would explain certain remarks. But it doesn't mean blind loyalty...but rather informed choice..for some.

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

Sad thing is I'm all for blu-ray and try to educate all the people I know on it but as I've said, I'm not blind to the threats like the sub $200 player.

So is bundling a blu-ray player with a HDTV an appropriate response - given the cheaper HD DVD players have been present all along?

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

The people who think Blu is unbeatable are just like the people who thought Beta was unbeatable.

I certainly don't think it's unbeatable..as far as the Beatmax analogy it would be more applicable to Toshiba this time around. Single mfg without support from the other mfgs..sounds like Sony during the Betamax years.

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

It's a marathon, not a sprint.

I think that's exactly right.

[tommyboy81]

Well I haven't seen the 2nd one on blu-ray yet, but I've seen the 3rd one and it was awesome. You have to think of what kind of cameras and equipment they were using for both films. I had the Superbit version of Spidy 2 and it was a little blurry to me. Wasn't as sharp as the other Superbits that I've seen. Actually liked the 1st Spidy on Superbit better. Like I said, it depends on how they filmed it. Example, The quality on the 1st American Pie sucked. I had to turn up the brightness all the way up to even watch it. The others were just fine. You got to remember that Spidy 2 and 3 were 3 years apart. Star Wars 2 and 3 are the same way. Technology just gets better and better, not the other way around .

[BigB88]

Everyone, including myself has an opinion on one topic or another when it comes to the HD wars. When it comes to the HDM market, their are two competing factions (I think I said "competing"). I have read a lot of posts in this thread and in others where people are using labels and trying to counter-attack valid reasonable assertions from others regarding BDA's strategy, player/title prices, the cheapass < $200 players, exclusivity, etc. with personal attacks (myself included). When anyone comes up and says "Hey, we need to compete here, if that means lowering our player prices or title prices by a couple of bucks, I don't see the harm". Lowering player prices by $50 or $75 per unit seems reasonable to me. The point is to at least be competitive. But some on this forum seem to think this is BS or arrogant thinking or "You're a troll" or "everyone is paniking". No it is none of these, it is just people making honest observations that, to compete, BD prices have to come down (just a little bit). No one is saying release a $99.99 BD player or give away BD players for free (like Toshiba), but there are a lot of folks who honestly believe the BDA or one or two of its members need to do what Sony (40GB PS3) & Disney (BOGO) are doing. This is the argument that seems to be getting attacked over and over by folks who seem to think the BDA is just doing fine. Well, I guess I will have to agree to disagree with those who say prices and the BDA are doing fine.

[MATTYBLU2]

well this means i am going to BB to buy spidey set to further support blu

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by BluFan

How so, nerd?

obviously I am blind quoted the wrong person lol

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

You should do it about once a year. As your TV ages from use it falls out of calibration

Also you should recalibrate if the TV is moved around. I moved house a few months back and the set fell way out of whack in transit, maybe because of changes in temperature or atmospheric pressure or something.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Teazle

Also you should recalibrate if the TV is moved around. I moved house a few months back and the set fell way out of whack in transit, maybe because of changes in temperature or atmospheric pressure or something.

lol same thing here guess tvs dont like change

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Everyone, including myself has an opinion on one topic or another when it comes to the HD wars. When it comes to the HDM market, their are two competing factions (I think I said "competing"). I have read a lot of posts in this thread and in others where people are using labels and trying to counter-attack valid reasonable assertions from others regarding BDA's strategy, player/title prices, the cheapass < $200 players, exclusivity, etc. with personal attacks (myself included). When anyone comes up and says "Hey, we need to compete here, if that means lowering our player prices or title prices by a couple of bucks, I don't see the harm". Lowering player prices by $50 or $75 per unit seems reasonable to me. The point is to at least be competitive. But some on this forum seem to think this is BS or arrogant thinking or "You're a troll" or "everyone is paniking". No it is none of these, it is just people making honest observations that, to compete, BD prices have to come down (just a little bit). No one is saying release a $99.99 BD player or give away BD players for free (like Toshiba), but there are a lot of folks who honestly believe the BDA or one or two of its members need to do what Sony (40GB PS3) & Disney (BOGO) are doing. This is the argument that seems to be getting attacked over and over by folks who seem to think the BDA is just doing fine. Well, I guess I will have to agree to disagree with those who say prices and the BDA are doing fine.

I don't think it's even an option to use standalone players as a lost liter like Toshiba is doing. Those companies are in it for the money....Sony can lose money because they gain it back else where. That's not the case for these manufactures. A $200 BR player is just not going to happen this year (unless there is somekind of limited Blackfriday sale). Sony has choosen to lose money by reducing the PS3, not standalone players. Whether or not that is smart to win the highdef war it was needed to get back into the game war that is going on.

People I don't think are getting upset with suggestions that maybe the Blu side needs to do something to counter however I think the part that goes overboard is saying if Bluray does nothing they can lose the war now. This is before their best titles are released and people are assuming BR could lose the war from a $200 price point lol.

That's why people are getting upset and calling people trolls (at least that's my opinion on why they are saying that). It's one thing to say maybe BDA should counter but it's another to say they'll lose if they don't. One side says it's not a big deal yet and are labeled as cheerleaders and the other side is saying if it's not countered it could be the turning point that turns this into an HD victory. The middle....well so far it seems very few have been neutral.

What's funny is BR just beat out Transformers last week and now some think BR is on the brink of defeat. Sorry but either they are the most pestimistic people ever or they are trying to create an atomsphere of doubt where nothing like that existed just a couple days ago.