Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Groot]

Originally Posted by mredman

Know it shouldn't movies is a whole different beast to music and games. Movies you Like to collect and feel you own it.

People collect music and games too...

[Groot]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

http://nypost.com/2015/01/07/online-...gital-a-habit/

It's not really something funny. It's happening.

I say this as someone with over 6,000 discs between blu/dvd/laserdisc. I just don't mind digital getting more popular. As long as I have a network to watch between multiple TV's (I do) it doesn't bother me. I still buy mostly physical, but if the day comes the well dries up I'm not going to freak out.

[Cevolution]

When these sorts of conversations arise on here, I often see someone mention that they live in an apartment and therefore space is limited, using this for a reason as to why the can't build a physical media collection or have a decent home theatre setup. I live in an apartment, but have still managed to set up home theatre equipment in multiple rooms, and purchase a large Blu-ray library, which are kept neat and tidy and are integrated into the living spaces, where they have no affect on other aspects of day to day life. Unless you are wanting your home to look like the cover of architecture monthly, where you are all about trying to impress other people and keeping it in a showroom state rather than actually living in it, then if you want these things having them in an apartment shouldn't be a problem for most.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by 42041

How's that? I don't see how movies are intrinsically any more or less collectible than albums.

It really is. Because it is for me.

[Musicguy]

many young adults are starting to realize the benefit of physical vs downloads - who ever though the LP would come back?

And enough titles have gone out of print and aren't available anymore - something younger kids never thought would happen - but older people know they went through the same thing with music, books and now movies so nothing stays forever.

Since younger kids grew up on the "Disney" model where titles are available for a limited time than back to the vault - you would think they would have caught on sooner

[Musicguy]

Originally Posted by mar3o

No harm done.

I know that retailers put lots of thought into their decisions. I just think that they, like individuals, can and do make mistakes. Lots of industry experts have criticized the decisions Best Buy has made over the years. Heck, if all retailers knew what they were doing, why isn't Circuit City still around? They're the same as Best Buy, but obviously they made some poor decisions along the way that led to their bankruptcy (divx was a very, very bad idea just as one example). In my opinion, I think it's a bad idea for retailers to ignore blu-ray to the extent they do. I don't expect them to get every catalog title, of course. But if they stock a DVD and there's a blu-ray that was released day-and-date, they should at least give consumers the choice and carry both, at least for a while, and see how it works out. I don't recall ever seeing Wal-mart or Target do that. They've always favored DVD over blu-ray.

if more retailers stocked Blu-ray - more blu-rays would be sold. I stopped going to Best Buy because, even though they sell Blu-ray, it's just the top 40 teen favorites - you aren't gonna find any Cagney, Robinson or Bogart at a Best Buy - so why waste the time to shop there? If they sold more I would go there, but they don't so I never go to BB anymore - and they will mostly likely follow in Circuit City's footsteps. They already started closing stores.

As it is, the only store left with a decent Blu-ray selection is Barnes and Noble - but they are also having trouble because people don't buy books anymore (some stopped reading altogether)

[StingingVelvet]

Best Buy and Target having smaller movie sections has a lot more to do with Amazon than it does the death of physical media. Also it depends on the store, my local ones have never shrunk their BD sections and still carry a ton of titles. Ones out in the distant central PA 'burbs where my in-laws live carry much less.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Best Buy and Target having smaller movie sections has a lot more to do with Amazon than it does the death of physical media. Also it depends on the store, my local ones have never shrunk their BD sections and still carry a ton of titles. Ones out in the distant central PA 'burbs where my in-laws live carry much less.

I don't know about that, all the Best Buys here in central LA/Hollywood have reduced their DVD/BD sections to just a few poorly stocked aisles, with the DVDs and BDs mixed together and often facing out, instead of with the spines out, so the limited stock will fill more space.

I rarely go by anymore, but every time I do, once or twice a year, I'm shocked anew by how much smaller the physical media section is.

[Moviefan2k4]

I live in Dallas, and most of the stores here don't carry lots of Blu-Rays except for current releases. If you want something more than 6 months old, you have to go online or find a used-video store.

[mja345]

It seems a thread like this pops up weekly on here. Things are transitioning to digital obviously. Where you really see that is in the 21 and under crowd. My nephew is 15 and I doubt he has ever owned or watched a disc in his life. That's what these kids have been weaned on. I'm 28 and I personally know only one other person in my age range that is still buying discs. But, like me, the dude I know who still buys physical is a film buff. Most people aren't really passionate about film, so they just watch the recent shit that's put into multiplexes. Labels like Criterion, Arrow, Shout Factory, Kino, etc. would be like a foreign language to most of these people. If you are someone with a very mainstream taste in movies, then streaming is a great option. Those people don't need to buy discs.

However, if you are into more obscure films, as a lot of people on this board are, then buying discs is still very logical. The films that everyone and their mother knows (the Alien films, the Godfather films, Jaws, Indiana Jones, etc.) will always be available no matter what the format. But, for film fanatics, having a BD disc of a more obscure title is of utmost importance IMO.

[mja345]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I live in Dallas, and most of the stores here don't carry lots of Blu-Rays except for current releases. If you want something more than 6 months old, you have to go online or find a used-video store.

Do you have Hastings in Dallas? I lived in Austin for a bit and they have Hastings fairly near there. Hastings is one of the only stores with a great physical media section anymore.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by mja345

Do you have Hastings in Dallas? I lived in Austin for a bit and they have Hastings fairly near there. Hastings is one of the only stores with a great physical media section anymore.

I've heard the name, but I don't think there are any locations here. We do have a chain called the Movie Trading Company, but they overcharge for everything, and don't price-match at all.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

When these sorts of conversations arise on here, I often see someone mention that they live in an apartment and therefore space is limited, using this for a reason as to why the can't build a physical media collection or have a decent home theatre setup. I live in an apartment, but have still managed to set up home theatre equipment in multiple rooms, and purchase a large Blu-ray library, which are kept neat and tidy and are integrated into the living spaces, where they have no affect on other aspects of day to day life. Unless you are wanting your home to look like the cover of architecture monthly, where you are all about trying to impress other people and keeping it in a showroom state rather than actually living in it, then if you want these things having them in an apartment shouldn't be a problem for most.

Especially with modern apartment architecture, where many new buildings (in the U.S.) have floor to ceiling windows, there isn't a lot of wall space to store media (in fact, it's even hard to place a large screen TV in many of these places).

And many people today don't want all those physical books, music and video lining their walls even if they had the space - from a style standpoint, they want a more "zen" look. And if you think about it, it doesn't really make sense logically. What's the point of having a large library of anything if it just sits on the shelf and collects dust?

There's also a tremendous difference in the size of apartments. Most NYC apartments, for example, are pretty damned small unless they're pre-WWII buildings.

In my particular apartment, I'm really at my limit with about 200 BDs, 400 LPs, 750 CDs and lots of books and journals. Over the years, I've scanned and dumped a lot of journals, tossed books I will never read again, gotten rid of my old VHS stuff, sold off most of my DVDs and sold about 100LPs, , but I really can't add anything unless I get rid of something else without the place looking like some crazy person lives here.

Look...it comes down to a personal preference. Some people like to collect, own things and build libraries of media. Other people just want to have a movie available when they feel like watching it and they don't need the packaging. For the former, they'll still buy stuff. For the latter, they'll stream. I used to be a big collector of music, but for most of today's music, if I hear it, I hear it and if I don't, I don't, because it all sounds pretty much the same to me. It's not like the days when I'd hear something new on the radio and love it so much that I'd rush out the next day to buy the album. I don't feel like I have to own current music (I wish I did). Many people feel the same way about current films. They don't have to own them.

Some people need to rush out and buy the first printing of hardcovers and other people are fine borrowing the book from the library.

Personally, there are some films I do want to own and there are some films that if I've seen them theatrically once or stream them at home, that's fine...I don't need to also own them.

So it's a pointless discussion really...different strokes for different folks and all that. Each side has their own needs and desires and they'll act accordingly.

[darkness2918]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Best Buy and Target having smaller movie sections has a lot more to do with Amazon than it does the death of physical media. Also it depends on the store, my local ones have never shrunk their BD sections and still carry a ton of titles. Ones out in the distant central PA 'burbs where my in-laws live carry much less.

My nearest Target in NYC have shrunk the media section so much it's almost sad & on top that they seem to be carrying more DVDs then BDs now. As for digital, the only thing I prefer digitally is music. My movies & games are physical unless I have no other choice.

[popcorntreect]

To continue the conversation about apartment space, more Americans live in cities and surrounding areas than not. That kind of culture shift, away from big suburban homes, has/will have an impact on the physical vs. digital media debate. I lived in NYC for about 2 years and bought maybe 2 blu-rays - it's just not something New Yorkers do. I imagine it's that way for other cities as well.

CDs are still popular, if only because cars have taken so long to adopt streaming. However, I think blu-rays/dvds will be with us for a long while. As long as there isn't one universal streaming service with as much titles as the blu-ray format currently holds, blu-rays will still be around.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by popcorntreect

To continue the conversation about apartment space, more Americans live in cities and surrounding areas than not. That kind of culture shift, away from big suburban homes, has/will have an impact on the physical vs. digital media debate. I lived in NYC for about 2 years and bought maybe 2 blu-rays - it's just not something New Yorkers do. I imagine it's that way for other cities as well.

CDs are still popular, if only because cars have taken so long to adopt streaming. However, I think blu-rays/dvds will be with us for a long while. As long as there isn't one universal streaming service with EVERY movie, blu-rays will still be around.

Hey now, not all New Yorkers live in NYC. When we look at the geographic footprint of NYC it's only a fraction of a fraction of NYS.

[popcorntreect]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Hey now, not all New Yorkers live in NYC. When we look at the geographic footprint of NYC it's only a fraction of a fraction of NYS.

Geographically small but population wise, NYC makes up about 42% of state-wide total pop - a lot less than I thought actually. My mistake.

[mar3o]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dadehaye...-anytime-soon/

"4) Blu-ray still the best viewing experience – For cinephiles or even anyone inclined in that direction, HD content viewed on the finest Retina tablet display or LCD flat screen can’t come close to a Blu-ray. Gaming platforms, such as the upcoming PlayStation 4 or just-released X-box, will continue to drive significant Blu-ray business. The rollout of Blu-ray has been a bit of a New Coke experience for Hollywood but after the smoke and disappointment has cleared it remains a superior format attracting all of the top content producers. “Working closely with the DEG, we’ll be launching a consumer awareness campaign about the merits of Blu-ray and UltraViolet,” says Anchor Bay’s Clark. “A lot of consumers don’t fully understand it.”"

I guess they never got around to this part, since most people still don't fully understand it (heck, most people don't even have a crude grasp of the concept).

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Musicguy

Since younger kids grew up on the "Disney" model where titles are available for a limited time than back to the vault - you would think they would have caught on sooner

Then = "First I'll do this, then I'll do that."
Than = "I'd rather do this, than that."

The word you're looking for is then.

Originally Posted by Musicguy

As it is, the only store left with a decent Blu-ray selection is Barnes and Noble - but they are also having trouble because people don't buy books anymore (some stopped reading altogether)

B&N is an evil corporation, and I hope they crash and burn. They engage in the unethical business practice of "bait and switch"

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

There's also a tremendous difference in the size of apartments. Most NYC apartments, for example, are pretty damned small unless they're pre-WWII buildings.

Depends on which part of NYC. Brooklyn and Queens has more apartment space than Manhattan.

Originally Posted by cvjchj

It's notable that the guy who is a fanatic film collector still hasn't upgraded to Blu yet.

Yeah, that guy is crazy. Although it does say he has some Blu-ray Discs, he just doesn't have a player to play them on. He really should probably upgrade. At this point though, he should probably wait until early 2016 when he can get an UHD player from Samsung.

[darkness2918]

Originally Posted by popcorntreect

To continue the conversation about apartment space, more Americans live in cities and surrounding areas than not. That kind of culture shift, away from big suburban homes, has/will have an impact on the physical vs. digital media debate. I lived in NYC for about 2 years and bought maybe 2 blu-rays - it's just not something New Yorkers do. I imagine it's that way for other cities as well.

CDs are still popular, if only because cars have taken so long to adopt streaming. However, I think blu-rays/dvds will be with us for a long while. As long as there isn't one universal streaming service with as much titles as the blu-ray format currently holds, blu-rays will still be around.

Hey, I live in NYC & only buy physical media for my movies & games