Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

"Bait and Switch" doesn't mean what you think it means.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

I never heard of anyone in a residential or industrial/commercial area losing their power more than losing their internet. Internet always, ALWAYS has more stability problems than power

Also without power how in the world can he even watch anything on his smart tv anyway even if its digital .

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by mredman

Also without power how in the world can he even watch anything on his smart tv anyway even if its digital .

True. If power goes out, your PC and SmartTV go out with it.
And with that, if someone is the type of person that watches feature length movies on their iPad, then they shouldn't be in here to begin with

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

I like how you just base things off of your experience and state it as fact. Apparently your power goes out more than your internet so that means everyone had the same problem in your mind. Meanwhile, in reality, multiple people have posted that their internet goes down much more than their power does. You act as though everyone has a fast internet connection. That is far from the truth. You act as though physical media is dying even though we will soon have 3 physical formats on the market. You act as though people have a disease if they purchase physical movies yet act like downloading a million things is somehow more healthy. You also act as though browsing through a physical movie collection is somehow a strenuous activity yet loading up and app and browsing through an online collection isn't just as redundant.

It's pretty obvious you don't want to have a debate. You would rather toss insults and abrasive statements. Let's talk data shall we. You can look up the information yourself. Digital sales have been rising while physical sales have been declining. Analysts predict that digital sales of movies will surpass physical within the next two years.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/03/o...ell-dvds-2015/

That is just one link. I could post more by why bother when it seems to me that you want to spin things to fit your own narrative. Keep living in the bubble.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

It's pretty obvious you don't want to have a debate. You would rather toss insults and abrasive statements. Let's talk data shall we. You can look up the information yourself. Digital sales have been rising while physical sales have been declining. Analysts predict that digital sales of movies will surpass physical within the next two years.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/03/o...ell-dvds-2015/

That is just one link. I could post more by why bother when it seems to me that you want to spin things to fit your own narrative. Keep living in the bubble.

Digital will definitely surpass physical sooner or later, but that's OK if it has the majority of the market share. I don't think it means digital will completely take over 100% and physical will be dead in the water at 0%.
Coke-a-Cola outsells RC-Cola by major amounts, but that doesn't mean RC has to stop production and go out of business.
They just coexist

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

Digital will definitely surpass physical sooner or later, but that's OK if it has the majority of the market share. I don't think it means digital will completely take over 100% and physical will be dead in the water at 0%.
Coke-a-Cola outsells RC-Cola by major amounts, but that doesn't mean RC has to stop production and go out of business.
They just coexist

I never said it would totally take over. Why even start a thread on the state of physical media if it is just going to be a one sided discussion. I guess it should be a physical media love fest. This isn't a debate or discussion more so than a bullying pulpit for the unhealthy obsession of plastic discs.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I never said it would totally take over. Why even start a thread on the state of physical media if anyone even mentions the FACT that digital is gaining or says anything positive about digital, they get attacked by all the crazies on this site. I guess it should be a physical media love fest. This isn't a debate or discussion more so than a bullying pulpit for the unhealthy obsession of plastic discs.

True.
I agree.
I see digital coming a mile away.
I'm cool with it, as long as I can still buy blu-ray.
I too don't understand the debate.
Let's have both for the next 40 years, and I'm good

[Machine Gun Willy]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I never said it would totally take over. Why even start a thread on the state of physical media if it is just going to be a one sided discussion. I guess it should be a physical media love fest. This isn't a debate or discussion more so than a bullying pulpit for the unhealthy obsession of plastic discs.

Cue the usual "well you ARE on a BLU-RAY forum so DUHHHHH"

You've got some good points, just don't expect many around here to agree with you.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by Machine Gun Willy

Cue the usual "well you ARE on a BLU-RAY forum so DUHHHHH"

You've got some good points, just don't expect many around here to agree with you.

I know it's a blu ray site but why even start a thread about the state of physical media? What are we supposed to talk about exactly? You can't offend the sensitive members of this site by suggesting that their beloved discs may become obsolete. You certainly can't say anything positive about digital. I guess I will give posters what they want. The state of physical media is healthy and strong and will be with us forever.

[JasonHensley]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I never said it would totally take over. Why even start a thread on the state of physical media if it is just going to be a one sided discussion. I guess it should be a physical media love fest. This isn't a debate or discussion more so than a bullying pulpit for the unhealthy obsession of plastic discs.

You have not posted any positives of digital other than saving space. Again, if you're paying full price for a movie what is the advantage of picking digital over disc? Digital requires more hardware. Digital causes you the lose actual ownership over the movie. Digital doesn't have the quality of physical. Digital is dependent on more monthly costs. It's no secret that the younger generation is obsessed with technology. I see plenty of younger people at work come and go who can't make it through a 12 hour shift without staring at their phone. The supposed simplicity of digital is being embraced by a younger generation who are living at home with mommy and daddy longer, can't work a physical job that requires mechanical skill on machines you can't google answers for, and who are becoming obese simply because walking across a room is far to strenuous for them. Until you can post something digital truly has over physical I'll will keep arguing my point.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

True.
I agree.
I see digital coming a mile away.
I'm cool with it, as long as I can still buy blu-ray.
I too don't understand the debate.
Let's have both for the next 40 years, and I'm good

I agree with you. I still buy physical media. I just purchased season one of Gotham. But thanks for being rational.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

You have not posted any positives of digital other than saving space. Again, if you're paying full price for a movie what is the advantage of picking digital over disc? Digital requires more hardware. Digital causes you the lose actual ownership over the movie. Digital doesn't have the quality of physical. Digital is dependent on more monthly costs. It's no secret that the younger generation is obsessed with technology. I see plenty of younger people at work come and go who can't make it through a 12 hour shift without staring at their phone. The supposed simplicity of digital is being embraced by a younger generation who are living at home with mommy and daddy longer, can't work a physical job that requires mechanical skill on machines you can't google answers for, and who are becoming obese simply because walking across a room is far to strenuous for them. Until you can post something digital truly has over physical I'll will keep arguing my point.

Number one is absolutely convenience. It's like any other form of technology that has made things more convenient. Remote controls, ovens, grocery stores. Do you hunt your own food and cook it outside over an open flame? What is so hard to understand about this? I enjoy the convenience of having a digital locker. Not everyone is obsessed with the most perfect quality of watching a movie of if they are getting seven channels of sound as opposed to five. It's not about being lazy. Using your logic, we can call everyone lazy for not building their own homes, hunting their own food, changing channels on the tv without a remote, shitting in a toilet instead of outside. Wiping their ass with toilet paper instead of leaves. I could go on and on. But please I don't want to offend you and your love of your flipping discs. Grow up.

[JasonHensley]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

Number one is absolutely convenience. It's like any other form of technology that has made things more convenient. Remote controls, ovens, grocery stores. Do you hunt your own food and cook it outside over an open flame? What is so hard to understand about this? I enjoy the convenience of having a digital locker. Not everyone is obsessed with the most perfect quality of watching a movie of if they are getting seven channels of sound as opposed to five. It's not about being lazy. Using your logic, we can call everyone lazy for not building their own homes, hunting their own food, changing channels on the tv without a remote, shitting in a toilet instead of outside. Wiping their ass with toilet paper instead of leaves. I could go on and on. But please I don't want to offend you and your love of your flipping discs. Grow up.

You seem to be a part of this younger generation that stays huddled around their technology and feel the constant need to always have an Internet connection. Let's not forget that a large number of people still hunt, fish, and cook on grills. Let's not pretend that the obesity of America has reached all time highs with the advent of all these smart devices. Let's not act like the younger generation complains about how busy their lives are when, in reality, they have it easier than others ever did. All of this technology has made a generation fat and lazy. Wall-E isn't far off the market with where, at least, young Americans are headed

At the end of the day I will never find paying disc price for a digital download as a better alternative. Dropping physical means I become more reliant on technology and signing over true ownership away. I've had the same DVD player since 2001 and bluray player since 2008 with both performing great. When you start relying on technology you will be having to upgrade every few years. Aside from space issues I see absolutely no benefit of digital movies over physical. I prefer to own things that I spend my money on and not be reliant on new hardware every few years, a good internet connection, and depending on online storage just to be able to watch a movie I purchase. No thanks.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

You seem to be a part of this younger generation that stays huddled around their technology and feel the constant need to always have an Internet connection. Let's not forget that a large number of people still hunt, fish, and cook on grills. Let's not pretend that the obesity of America has reached all time highs with the advent of all these smart devices. Let's not act like the younger generation complains about how busy their lives are when, in reality, they have it easier than others ever did. All of this technology has made a generation fat and lazy. Wall-E isn't far off the market with where, at least, young Americans are headed

At the end of the day I will never find paying disc price for a digital download as a better alternative. Dropping physical means I become more reliant on technology and signing over true ownership away. I've had the same DVD player since 2001 and bluray player since 2008 with both performing great. When you start relying on technology you will be having to upgrade every few years. Aside from space issues I see absolutely no benefit of digital movies over physical. I prefer to own things that I spend my money on and not be reliant on new hardware every few years, a good internet connection, and depending on online storage just to be able to watch a movie I purchase. No thanks.

You are always reliant on technology. Americans are fat because they can't stop eating and they don't exercise. Diets have gone to hell and no one wants to hit the gym. I am not the younger generation. I am 42 and grew up on physical media. I don't hate it or even prefer that it gets replaced by digital. But the reality is there that it probably will. Does that mean those that enjoy the convenience are lazy? No. Technology is synonymous with convenience. That is the point. Button pushes are replacing lots of things. Do you pay your bills online? Are you too lazy to write a check, drop in an envelope that walk to a mailbox? I am sure there are lot of things you do that requires only the push of buttons. You are being a hypocrite.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Grammar trolling is the liverwurst.

Words mean things.

[spiderfan1985]

I stand by physical discs completely. I like the control I have over what I watch and my access to it. I also like collecting. If that is "unhealthy" as some claim then what "obsessions" do they have I wonder? Everyone has something that they do that others don't get, but it isn't for you to get. I use Digital Copies that come with my purchased Blus strictly for "on the road" viewing. That is all. I like my bonus features as well and so far digital has yet to fully catch that.

Edit: Also picture and audio quality is important to me. I don't want to be watching a movie and have it be crystal clear one second and then suddenly go all pixelated the next depending on internet speed because I live in an area where the speeds just aren't up there for it. Really PQ/AQ depends on just how into the films you are. If you're just an average Joe or Jane who watches movies here and there, but don't really care about them beyond the simple act of watching them then you may not care about such things as picture or audio quality. If however you are like me and others on this site who love movies and everything about them and discussing them and poring over them then PQ/AQ does mean a lot. Film is indeed art and you want to view that art in the very best way possible.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by mredman

Also without power how in the world can he even watch anything on his smart tv anyway even if its digital .

I once lost power in 2003, but plugged my laptop into the phone jack and "downgraded" to dial-up and got online. Phone jacks have power that's separate from the rest of the house.

Also, phone jacks can be converted to create emergency outlets to get power during a blackout.

[42041]

I'm going to be sadly amused when UHD discs require online authentication

[JasonHensley]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

You are always reliant on technology. Americans are fat because they can't stop eating and they don't exercise. Diets have gone to hell and no one wants to hit the gym. I am not the younger generation. I am 42 and grew up on physical media. I don't hate it or even prefer that it gets replaced by digital. But the reality is there that it probably will. Does that mean those that enjoy the convenience are lazy? No. Technology is synonymous with convenience. That is the point. Button pushes are replacing lots of things. Do you pay your bills online? Are you too lazy to write a check, drop in an envelope that walk to a mailbox? I am sure there are lot of things you do that requires only the push of buttons. You are being a hypocrite.

Actually no, I don't pay my bills online, have direct deposit, or get automatic deductions out of my account. I don't feel the need to put all of my personal information online where people could possibly get ahold of my debit card number or other personal information. I'm still active enough to go to the bank and deposit my check when I get paid and like getting my bills in the mail and paying with a check.

[deltatauhobbit]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

I don't really see the revenue dropping though, it's still around $25+ for my Criterions (sometimes you can get lucky and find some on sale for $20). Maybe if the other studios put more of an effort in, instead of barebone releases, they could demand more as well.

The studios are doing it to themselves. The ones that put an effort in are making top dollar.

I'm speaking of the overall market trend. Less discs being sold = less revenue overall, even if the individual prices are stable or higher for niche products.

Originally Posted by Scarface32

I once lost power in 2003, but plugged my laptop into the phone jack and "downgraded" to dial-up and got online. Phone jacks have power that's separate from the rest of the house.

Also, phone jacks can be converted to create emergency outlets to get power during a blackout.

My house doesn't even have a phone jack , then again, I wouldn't have a landline anyway. The house didn't even have cable jacks, I had those installed in each room when I bought the place. That is a nifty trick regarding the power though, we lose the power in Maine once or twice a year where I live so I've always known the phones still work but I never thought of converting it for power .