Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[42041]

Originally Posted by mredman

This thread has completely been derailed. They are just bringing out 4K Blu-Ray players. Some people should just stop being so damn paranoid. Disc's bring in over 20-25 Billions of dollars yearly around the globe. Yeah like studios is gonna throw away such a huge cashcow no freaking way. and some places like out in the country will never have good internet connections they are not gonna stream/Digital.
Bottomline Physical media like Blu-Ray is not going anywhere

See many SACD releases latey?
Someone thought that was a good idea too.

I strongly fear that Blu-ray UHD will make no meaningful mainstream impact and will quietly go away. I want it to succeed, but history is strewn with failed premium formats.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by 42041

See many SACD releases latey?
Someone thought that was a good idea too.

I strongly fear that Blu-ray UHD will make no meaningful mainstream impact and will quietly go away. I want it to succeed, but history is strewn with failed premium formats.

True.
Wait, did you even need a new player to play SACD?

So with 4K blu-ray, you not only need a 4K blu-ray player, but a UHD TV, to boot. Two new pieces of hardware needed (which cost $) on top of more educating of the public

[Clark Kent]

SACDs are still going strong, they simply aren't a mainstream music format. I've bought five new ones this past week.

http://www.sa-cd.net/home2.php

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

SACDs are still going strong, they simply aren't a mainstream music format. I've bought five new ones this past week.

http://www.sa-cd.net/home2.php

I purchased a few years ago and I immediately noticed the increased clarity. I just wish more albums were being released on SACD these days.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

SACDs are still going strong, they simply aren't a mainstream music format. I've bought five new ones this past week.

http://www.sa-cd.net/home2.php

I think limping along on life support is more accurate for SACD than going strong.

Vinyl is doing better right now than SACD, that says a lot.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by mredman

Disc's bring in over 20-25 Billions of dollars yearly around the globe. Yeah like studios is gonna throw away such a huge cashcow no freaking way.

"Blockbuster/physical rental video stores make billions of dollars yearly around the globe. Yeah like studios are going to throw away such a huge cash cow, no freaking way." - Avid video store customer in the late 90s/early 00s

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

"Blockbuster/physical rental video stores make billions of dollars yearly around the globe. Yeah like studios are going to throw away such a huge cash cow, no freaking way." - Avid video store customer in the late 90s/early 00s

Which is still a shame, since streaming rentals cost much more and often look like garbage. Redbox obviously has too limited a selection. I'd kill for Blockbuster to still be around.

Also people said the CD was dead 15 years ago but it's still kicking. To act like movies won't be a decade from now is overly defeatist, IMO. Much more niche? Yes. Gone? Hell no, enough people care about quality, packaging and collecting to keep it around for a long, long time.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

"Blockbuster/physical rental video stores make billions of dollars yearly around the globe. Yeah like studios are going to throw away such a huge cash cow, no freaking way." - Avid video store customer in the late 90s/early 00s

Are you freaking serious you compare rentalshops to physical consumers around the World that wanna feel Like they actually get something for the Money they earn.
Rentalshops have lost insanely much to streaming Like Netflix and also physical purchase because its not expensive to Buy movies anymore so people stopped renting and bought the movies they wanted instead. Not only does these shops have to pay rent and electricity for them to keep the shops alive. That alone is millions around the Globe they lost. So its obvious got to expensive to keep the shops alive. There was no profit in it anymore. Physical movies and tv sales directly to consumers is huge profit to studios that bring in billions of dollars for them yearly around the Globe.

The debate sites on the net is also a clear sign that there is more then enough people that want to OWN their movies and tv shows physically over the smoke screen digital/stream. There is also huge amount of people on the Globe that will never have fast internet Like the ones Living outside the cities. Physical media Like Blu-Ray is not going anywhere.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by mredman

Are you freaking serious you compare rentalshops to physical consumers around the World that wanna feel Like they actually get something for the Money they earn.
Rentalshops have lost insanely much to streaming Like Netflix and also physical purchase because its not expensive to Buy movies anymore so people stopped renting and bought the movies they wanted instead. Not only does these shops have to pay rent and electricity for them to keep the shops alive. That alone is millions around the Globe they lost. So its obvious got to expensive to keep the shops alive. There was no profit in it anymore. Physical movies and tv sales directly to consumers is huge profit to studios that bring in billions of dollars for them yearly around the Globe.

The debate sites on the net is also a clear sign that there is more then enough people that want to OWN their movies and tv shows physically over the smoke screen digital/stream. There is also huge amount of people on the Globe that will never have fast internet Like the ones Living outside the cities. Physical media Like Blu-Ray is not going anywhere.

Are the debates really a fair view? They are on websites for people who collect film so of course there is going to be more one sidedness to the views. The average consumer isn't going to upgrade to 4K, otherwise Black Friday sales wouldn't be full of low and mid range TV sales. The consumer has went away from CRT and upgraded to nice flat screens, sure, but those same people aren't going to drop thousands on new equipment this soon. Digital rentals and buying are convenient to the average person and they aren't going to be as obsessed with quality or care if a little blocking occurs during the stream.

Physical media isn't going away but it's going to be niche sooner rather than later.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by mredman

There was no profit in it anymore.

I think that was his point, mate. Renting was a huge business that got tossed away because there wasn't any profit in it anymore and eventually the same will happen to physical media, the costs of making them will outweigh the money they make back. It won't be any time soon, but it will happen.

The debate sites on the net is also a clear sign that there is more then enough people that want to OWN their movies and tv shows physically over the smoke screen digital/stream.

The internet is never a good indication of anything. Unless you're asking people in the street, the term "people are up-in-arms on the internet!" generally means a handful of people are pissed and the other seven billion couldn't care less.

There were clear signs on the internet that The Next Generation Blu-rays would be a huge success. Look what happened in the Real World.

[supervij]

Originally Posted by mredman

The debate sites on the net is also a clear sign that there is more then enough people that want to OWN their movies and tv shows physically over the smoke screen digital/stream. There is also huge amount of people on the Globe that will never have fast internet Like the ones Living outside the cities. Physical media Like Blu-Ray is not going anywhere.

I was in a Best Buy the other day, talking to the young sales lady, asking her if the big sale that day extended to the Blu-rays. She had no idea and went on to say that she can't understand why anyone buys DVDs and Blu-rays at all; she streams everything to her phone, tablet, or TV.

It hurt to realize that that's the future talking, right there.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by supervij

I was in a Best Buy the other day, talking to the young sales lady, asking her if the big sale that day extended to the Blu-rays. She had no idea and went on to say that she can't understand why anyone buys DVDs and Blu-rays at all; she streams everything to her phone, tablet, or TV.

It hurt to realize that that's the future talking, right there.

Not everyone drives a BMW either. Its the same here. And Like i already said there are MILLIONS of people that will never have fast internet because they live so far away from cities. They are certainly not gonna stream anything.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by chip75

I think that was his point, mate. Renting was a huge business that got tossed away because there wasn't any profit in it anymore and eventually the same will happen to physical media, the costs of making them will outweigh the money they make back. It won't be any time soon, but it will happen.



The internet is never a good indication of anything. Unless you're asking people in the street, the term "people are up-in-arms on the internet!" generally means a handful of people are pissed and the other seven billion couldn't care less.

There were clear signs on the internet that The Next Generation Blu-rays would be a huge success. Look what happened in the Real World.

It will not happen because there are millions of people around the Globe that will never have fast internet. They are gonna Buy their movies and tv shows they Like. Then there are the collectors which there is also plenty of people. Then there is even streamers that also Buy the movies and tv show they absolutely gotta have on Blu. Then there are those that stream and Buy movies and Tv shows on Blu-Ray they Like - This is where i fit in.

[NzYme]

Originally Posted by supervij

I was in a Best Buy the other day, talking to the young sales lady, asking her if the big sale that day extended to the Blu-rays. She had no idea and went on to say that she can't understand why anyone buys DVDs and Blu-rays at all; she streams everything to her phone, tablet, or TV.

It hurt to realize that that's the future talking, right there.

My wife's nephew (19 years old at the time) was the same way until I asked him what his favorite movies were and matched up a few that were in my BD collection. Invited him to my HT and put them on.

To make a long story short: He has my old receiver and speakers that he bought off me, for a great price I might add, and he's been a physical BD owner ever since.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by mredman

Not everyone drives a BMW either. Its the same here. And Like i already said there are MILLIONS of people that will never have fast internet because they live so far away from cities. They are certainly not gonna stream anything.

People who live far out or in areas like parts of Canada where everything is shipped in aren't the target demo Hollywood is going for. That said, I'm pretty sure the satellite dish companies can still send a fast, good quality digital rental to them.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Groot

People who live far out or in areas like parts of Canada where everything is shipped in aren't the target demo Hollywood is going for. That said, I'm pretty sure the satellite dish companies can still send a fast, good quality digital rental to them.

Huh that doesnt even make sense. Because those are consumers too and there a millions of dollars in them as well for the studios. And no if you live out in the sticks there are really not that fast internet out there

[Groot]

Originally Posted by mredman

Huh that doesnt even make sense. Because those are consumers too and there a millions of dollars in them as well for the studios. And no if you live out in the sticks there are really not that fast internet out there

Do you really believe that people that live at that kind of distance are dropping major coin on home media? Just because you are breathing does not make you a profitable target.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by chip75

...
Renting discs was a huge business that got tossed away because there wasn't any profit in it anymore and eventually the same will happen to physical media, the costs of making them will outweigh the money they make back.

But is it really fair to compare renting vs owning?

Renting discs from a brick and mortar store is borrowing the movie for two nights...
Renting a movie via VOD, Streaming, Netflix is borrowing the movie for two nights...

So of course renting movies from a building got replaced by renting movies online/Streaming/VOD/Netflix! The former was no longer profitable.

But OWNING is a different animal. I don't think true owners want to virtually own a movie they love

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Groot

Do you really believe that people that live at that kind of distance are dropping major coin on home media? Just because you are breathing does not make you a profitable target.

Yeah why not. what are you even doing on a Blu-Ray forum/site if not also to Buy them ?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by mredman

Yeah why not. what are you even doing on a Blu-Ray forum/site if not also to Buy them ?

Because I own over 6,000 movies but feel no need to grab a pitchfork and whine over streaming taking over?