Oh noes teh sky is falling! - Page 393 - Blu-ray Forum

Dunemoon · 09-20-2015, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Right, but those people are just ignorant or complacent. I and many here are not.

The World has been Told.

CinemaScope · 09-20-2015, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Groot

The problem with this so called debate is how negative one side is vs the other. If you like physical media, which clearly most people here do/did at some point, no one is taking it away from you. Streaming and digital downloads is a reality and it's growing in numbers. You can rally against it all you like but that doesn't make the streamer wrong simply because they don't need the extras you do for each title.

Yes, to anyone where films aren't that important, just another thing to watch, why not stream. If a film becomes unavailable, who cares, just watch another one, lots of 'em. I think they're in the majority, but us film fans, where maybe films are too important, we love them, & the pleasure is not just watching them, but buying them & owning them...& writing about that here.

StingingVelvet · 09-20-2015, 02:51 PM

The reason many physical collectors or anti-DRM people get SO MAD about streaming's success is because they fear it will kill their hobby or destroy their consumer rights ethics. I don't agree with how mad they sometimes get, but it's also not like we can all just be like "hey man whatever works for you" because the bigger streaming gets the less physical media we see. One's success in turn damages the other.

That said I think both will coexist for a long time, so there's no need for panic, but we're going to start seeing more and more Simpsons, stuff that goes digital only, mostly TV, and less and less catalog releases from the studios. A lot of movies will never be released on disc again after BD, or hell even DVD.

42041 · 09-20-2015, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CinemaScope

Yes, to anyone where films aren't that important, just another thing to watch, why not stream. If a film becomes unavailable, who cares, just watch another one, lots of 'em. I think they're in the majority, but us film fans, where maybe films are too important, we love them, & the pleasure is not just watching them, but buying them & owning them...& writing about that here.

Nostromo · 09-20-2015, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknightman

I don't have any data or bandwidth caps. People always assume that streaming technology is going to stagnate and never improve. This is just not the case with any technology. Netflix can already stream in 4K. Digital is going to surpass physical consumption. It's already happening. I am not necessarily for or against it, it is just a fact. The movie aisles in brick and mortars are empty. There are dump bins filled with discs that no one are really buying. Walmart, a major retailer is scaling back on blu rays and dvds. Why? Because sales are declining. Discs may never truly die, but they are becoming less and less relevant. Studios want people to switch to digital. It's the reason that for the last several years, every blu ray comes with a digital copy. It's the reason that movies are being released earlier then the physical copy. It's just a reality. I know collector's hate it and very irrational and angry about it. But it's a simple truth.

The reason blu rays come with a digital copy is not to get consumers to switch to digital. It's to get them to buy the blu ray. If a consumer has a choice of buying a digital only version of a film with no special features, or a blu ray which comes with special features AND a digital copy, most people would probably choose the latter version. It's the best of both worlds.

WhySoBlu? · 09-20-2015, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eiknarf

Here's a strike against Streaming (and a +1 for physical media):

If you decide to press "mute" on your TV, Hulu now can decide to un-mute it whenever they want so you can hear an ad. They're overriding controls in the player to force you to listen to ads.

While it may be able to control an in-app/in-player mute button, I doubt very much that it could override my surround receiver's mute function.

Groot · 09-20-2015, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eiknarf

Here's a strike against Streaming (and a +1 for physical media):

If you decide to press "mute" on your TV, Hulu now can decide to un-mute it whenever they want so you can hear an ad. They're overriding controls in the player to force you to listen to ads.

I've never had that happen, but alright. I doubt that an app can turn my actual TV mute on and off, just the app itself.

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Originally Posted by CinemaScope

Yes, to anyone where films aren't that important, just another thing to watch, why not stream. If a film becomes unavailable, who cares, just watch another one, lots of 'em. I think they're in the majority, but us film fans, where maybe films are too important, we love them, & the pleasure is not just watching them, but buying them & owning them...& writing about that here.

You own your digital downloads. No one removes them from your computer. There were issues in the past with ebooks and the courts already settled it. The fact still boils down to whether it's a disc or digital, it's just a license. A lot of computers, especially Apple, don't even have disc drives anymore. People simply aren't using them. Software is mostly all digital now, discs are no longer needed to boot computers - USB drives suffice in extreme cases. You have chromecasting, roku, amazon fire, apple tv, etc that are going to end up taking over media centers.

maely · 09-20-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

...but we're going to start seeing ... less and less catalog releases from the studios. A lot of movies will never be released on disc again after BD, or hell even DVD.

That's a shame. I probably sound like an old codger who's stuck in his ways (although I'm probably not alone here) but if a movie isn't available on Blu-Ray, then I don't watch the movie and/or I haven't watched the movie in years.

I haven't done DVDs in almost a decade at this point. I don't do streaming. I don't have broadband internet anyway. Nor do I have Netflix/Hulu/Amazon Prime accounts, or whatever. I don't rent movies. (I don't download movies, either.) And the tragic thing is that I'm generally not interested in new releases or Marvel's most recent comic book adaptation. It's the catalog titles which catch my eye (to cite a few recent examples: The Man Who Wasn't There (2001), Murder My Sweet (1944), Fat City (1972))

I'm gonna keep putting my consumer dollars where my mouth is, but I guess I must be a dying breed, eh?

Musicguy · 09-20-2015, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by maely

That's a shame. I probably sound like an old codger who's stuck in his ways (although I'm probably not alone here) but if a movie isn't available on Blu-Ray, then I don't watch the movie and/or I haven't watched the movie in years.

I haven't done DVDs in almost a decade at this point. I don't do streaming. I don't have broadband internet anyway. Nor do I have Netflix/Hulu/Amazon Prime accounts, or whatever. I don't rent movies. (I don't download movies, either.) And the tragic thing is that I'm generally not interested in new releases or Marvel's most recent comic book adaptation. It's the catalog titles which catch my eye (to cite a few recent examples: The Man Who Wasn't There (2001), Murder My Sweet (1944), Fat City (1972))

I'm gonna keep putting my consumer dollars where my mouth is, but I guess I must be a dying breed, eh?

All is fine until something gets hacked and all your data is compromised - and it does happen. As the recent attack on many of the on-line photo services has proven last month - nothing on line is 100% safe.

Hard media is the safest way to back up your data.

m3racer123 · 09-20-2015, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostromo

If a consumer has a choice of buying a digital only version of a film with no special features, or a blu ray which comes with special features AND a digital copy, most people would probably choose the latter version. It's the best of both worlds.

Actually most people don't care about special features or quality, which is why they're moving to streaming. Especially if it's cheaper than the physical copy.

42041 · 09-20-2015, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicguy

All is fine until something gets hacked and all your data is compromised - and it does happen. As the recent attack on many of the on-line photo services has proven last month - nothing on line is 100% safe.

Hard media is the safest way to back up your data.

Hard media is vulnerable to theft, physical damage and decay. You need redundant and off-site backups to be safe (and you can be pretty sure the likes of Google and Netflix don't keep one copy of anything around).

mredman · 09-20-2015, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by m3racer123

Actually most people don't care about special features or quality, which is why they're moving to streaming. Especially if it's cheaper than the physical copy.

Yes the SHEEP! MOST people support both

Groot · 09-20-2015, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

Yes the SHEEP! MOST people support both

I haven't bought a CD since 2005 and I still have all the music I've purchased or have in the cloud. Baaaa.

mredman · 09-20-2015, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Groot

I haven't bought a CD since 2005 and I still have all the music I've purchased or have in the cloud. Baaaa.

since when is movies and tv shows on a CD

Groot · 09-20-2015, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

since when is movies and tv shows on a CD

Everyone keeps going on and on that digital media can be stripped away with a click of the mouse and I've been streaming/digital in one way or the other for over a decade and it's yet to happen.

Chiyo_chichi · 09-20-2015, 07:57 PM

Call me a perfectionist, I will always go where the highest quality resides.

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Originally Posted by mar3o

Well, this is the internet, after all. Hyperbole is par for the course.

I've been watching the Star Wars OT on vhs with my sibling who's never seen the 6 movies as an adult. VHS is pretty good! But the pan/scan absolutely kills it for me.

mredman · 09-20-2015, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Groot

Everyone keeps going on and on that digital media can be stripped away with a click of the mouse and I've been streaming/digital in one way or the other for over a decade and it's yet to happen.

streaming services don't have the same movies and tv shows forever in their service and the PQ and AQ is also crap compared to Blu-Ray. Even the so called 4K on netflix is not even up to normal 1080p that is offered on a Blu-Ray. Not to mention internet going out ect.. resorting to hick ups in the stream. No thanks!

Groot · 09-20-2015, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

streaming services don't have the same movies and tv shows forever in their service and the PQ and AQ is also crap compared to Blu-Ray. Even the so called 4K on netflix is not even up to normal 1080p that is offered on a Blu-Ray

Yeah, I've got that. That seems to be the common argument in the thread. It has nothing to do with digital downloads.

mredman · 09-20-2015, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Groot

Yeah, I've got that. That seems to be the common argument in the thread. It has nothing to do with digital downloads.

Digital Downloads is also crap in PQ and AQ compared to a Blu-Ray

Groot · 09-20-2015, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

Digital Downloads is also crap in PQ and AQ compared to a Blu-Ray

You keep telling yourself that. Any difference is negligible (if any) and unless in a proper HT most wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

09-20-2015, 02:51 PM	#7843
StingingVelvet Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jan 2014 Location:Philadelphia, PA 4K collection:851 Blu-ray collection:2331 DVD collection:111 Digital collection:12 Trading Score:69	The reason many physical collectors or anti-DRM people get SO MAD about streaming's success is because they fear it will kill their hobby or destroy their consumer rights ethics. I don't agree with how mad they sometimes get, but it's also not like we can all just be like "hey man whatever works for you" because the bigger streaming gets the less physical media we see. One's success in turn damages the other. That said I think both will coexist for a long time, so there's no need for panic, but we're going to start seeing more and more Simpsons, stuff that goes digital only, mostly TV, and less and less catalog releases from the studios. A lot of movies will never be released on disc again after BD, or hell even DVD.

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