Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Groot

You keep telling yourself that. Any difference is negligible (if any) and unless in a proper HT most wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

You keep telling yourself that. Thats original coming from you because EVERYONE here have been saying what i am saying to you. And you have been owned in particular by HD Goofnut. Who really knows what he is talking about.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by mredman

You keep telling yourself that. Thats original coming from you because EVERYONE here have been saying what i am saying to you. And you have been owned in particular by HD Goofnut. Who really knows what he is talking about.

I've been owned? I have more disc media than anyone in this thread. You guys are acting like how people did with Xbox VS PS. It's one or the other cause otherwise you're wrong? Pathetic.

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by Groot

You keep telling yourself that. Any difference is negligible (if any) and unless in a proper HT most wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

To be fair, it really depends on the TV you're watching it on and the size. You really start to see the difference on big screen or a projector. But when it comes to audio, digital is pretty much the pits. One of the reasons that I love Blu-ray is the lossless audio. Personally, I don't like downloading music either. I've tried it. Don't like it. A hard copy will almost always be better than it's digital counterpart. That being said, most people beyond this forum don't really care. Digital download looks good enough and it doesn't take up space. And if you're watching it on TV speakers, who gives a hoot about lossless audio?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

To be fair, it really depends on the TV you're watching it on and the size. You really start to see the difference on big screen or a projector. But when it comes to audio, digital is pretty much the pits. One of the reasons that I love Blu-ray is the lossless audio. Personally, I don't like downloading music either. I've tried it. Don't like it. A hard copy will almost always be better than it's digital counterpart. That being said, most people beyond this forum don't really care. Digital download looks good enough and it doesn't take up space. And if you're watching it on TV speakers, who gives a hoot about lossless audio?

That's why I said on a proper HT it wouldn't matter. And thank you for restating the point I've tried to get across, the general pop will not care. It's entertainment on a Friday night to them, not a hobby that entails debating PQ on a prior release to a new one.

The discussion would be fine if people didn't try to make it some personal attack because others aren't up in arms over a shift to digital.

[42041]

Not sure if I understood you correctly, but there are services that sell DRM-free lossless studio master quality music (that is, better than CD and equal to higher-res formats).

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by mredman

streaming services don't have the same movies and tv shows forever in their service and the PQ and AQ is also crap compared to Blu-Ray. Even the so called 4K on netflix is not even up to normal 1080p that is offered on a Blu-Ray. Not to mention internet going out ect.. resorting to hick ups in the stream. No thanks!

I think the PQ and AQ on streaming services often times comes very close to that of BR. I think PQ especially is something that's very subjective. I regularly watch Netflix and digital copies of my movies when I'm out at the coffee shop. In many cases, the PQ is crystal clear, and the sound often sounds amazing with my high quality noise canceling headphones. Just my experience.

[Doctor Jack]

Originally Posted by Chiyo_chichi

I've been watching the Star Wars OT on vhs with my sibling who's never seen the 6 movies as an adult. VHS is pretty good! But the pan/scan absolutely kills it for me.

Whoever came up with pan and scan will go to the special hell. The one reserved for child molesters and those who talk at the theater.

[David M]

Originally Posted by Nostromo

I think the PQ and AQ on streaming services often times comes very close to that of BR. I think PQ especially is something that's very subjective. I regularly watch Netflix and digital copies of my movies when I'm out at the coffee shop. In many cases, the PQ is crystal clear, and the sound often sounds amazing with my high quality noise canceling headphones. Just my experience.

Emphasis mine - that can't be a very big screen so I'm not surprised it looks OK.

This argument is silly. Both have their uses.

[Terrorfirmer]

I just finished reading the last couple pages of this thread and one thing i havent seen mentioned as to the limitations of streaming is LOCATION. Streaming may be no problem and issue free if you live in or near a major city center, but what about people like me for example that live in rural areas? I have netflix and it can take forever loading and load constantly even on the clearest day, to even have internet i have to have a tower on my roof. Its the biggest pain in ass to try and watch a movie/tv show that has to load every 2 minutes, and if someone in the house does want to watch something streaming then no one else can be using the internet because everything will slow to a snails pace. Now, if i put on a physical copy of something i have absolutely no issues whatsoever. Streaming media has its place, and thats fine but its no where near as far along as everyone thinks, and just to be clear when i say rural area i dont mean Nunavut or some place like that, i'm about four hours outside Toronto, one of the biggest cities in Canada. So for me and many people who share my situation streaming isn't even really an option, in most cases its a hassle.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Terrorfirmer

...but what about people like me for example that live in rural areas?

Sam Kinnison's solution to world hunger comes to mind

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by Lyris

Emphasis mine - that can't be a very big screen so I'm not surprised it looks OK.

This argument is silly. Both have their uses.

Netflix even looks great on my 50 in plasma. I think they both have their uses.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Nostromo

Netflix even looks great on my 50 in plasma. I think they both have their uses.

Your definition of good and mine certainly do not match.

[StingingVelvet]

Netflix does look really good most of the time, at least in the Philly 'burbs on Verizon Fios. Some compression issues in the dark areas and not as crisp as BD obviously, but very good for what it is and much better than cable. I wish Amazon looked as good, since I mostly stream movie rentals and Netflix doesn't do that.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Nostromo

Netflix even looks great on my 50 in plasma. I think they both have their uses.

DVD's can look great on mine too...for a DVD that is.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

Whoever came up with pan and scan will go to the special hell. The one reserved for child molesters and those who talk at the theater.

The ****ed up thing is I'm so used to watching some movies in P&S from when I was a kid that I actually expect to see that awful jerky panning at certain points, even now when watching mah fancy widescreen Blu-rays.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The ****ed up thing is I'm so used to watching some movies in P&S from when I was a kid that I actually expect to see that awful jerky panning at certain points, even now when watching mah fancy widescreen Blu-rays.

Haaaaaaa I know what you mean

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Your definition of good and mine certainly do not match.

To each their own.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Nostromo

To each their own.

Right, which is exactly why I use a disc when possible, even for rentals.

[bugsnest]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

To be fair, it really depends on the TV you're watching it on and the size. You really start to see the difference on big screen or a projector. But when it comes to audio, digital is pretty much the pits. One of the reasons that I love Blu-ray is the lossless audio. Personally, I don't like downloading music either. I've tried it. Don't like it. A hard copy will almost always be better than it's digital counterpart. That being said, most people beyond this forum don't really care. Digital download looks good enough and it doesn't take up space. And if you're watching it on TV speakers, who gives a hoot about lossless audio?

Originally Posted by Groot

That's why I said on a proper HT it wouldn't matter. And thank you for restating the point I've tried to get across, the general pop will not care. It's entertainment on a Friday night to them, not a hobby that entails debating PQ on a prior release to a new one.

The discussion would be fine if people didn't try to make it some personal attack because others aren't up in arms over a shift to digital.

I just read the article and some of these posts on the last couple pages, so apologize if my perspective is a little narrow.

I do agree with both comments above however. Size does matter and what appears great on a 42 inch screen may look horrific on a 120 inch projector screen! That's where a nicely remastered BD shines. But BluRay's biggest redeeming factor is hands down, the Lossless audio format. It just makes the experience unlike any other and I doubt anything in the streaming format, even comes close.

The interesting thing about the article in this thread is it shows the divide between mass consumers, who could care 2 hoots about quality, as long as its acceptable and cheap (preferably free!)... and niche audience like collectors and discerning consumers who still value quality, even if its costs more. Hopefully the future would have a place for everyone...

[PrestigeWorldwide]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Netflix does look really good most of the time, at least in the Philly 'burbs on Verizon Fios. Some compression issues in the dark areas and not as crisp as BD obviously, but very good for what it is and much better than cable. I wish Amazon looked as good, since I mostly stream movie rentals and Netflix doesn't do that.

HD streaming from Netflix or Amazon is significantly better than "HD" cable. I thought it was ridiculous how I was being charged an extra $10 on my cable bill for their heavily compressed "HD" crap. No thanks. Had no problems dropping cable TV like a bad habit a few years ago.