Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by ghoulies

Since this is the topic of physical media, I have 2 questions:

What about 4K films, is it worth buying a 4K TV and start buying Ultra 4K films?

Does anyone believe that 4K films will ultimately outsell blu rays; just like blu-rays have become more popular then DVDS?

They are?

[Arch Stanton]

Originally Posted by ghoulies

Since this is the topic of physical media, I have 2 questions:

What about 4K films, is it worth buying a 4K TV and start buying Ultra 4K films?

Does anyone believe that 4K films will ultimately outsell blu rays; just like blu-rays have become more popular then DVDS?

1. It's up to you. If you're in the market for a new TV then now would be a good time. However, it remains to be seen how many films are going to get UHD treatment - it's mostly blockbusters/new releases for now. For me the various technical improvements aren't big enough to warrant the outlay on a new 4K TV and UHD Blu Ray player. I'm not saying never but I can't see myself embracing the format any time in the next few years.

2. Absolutely no chance. UHD Blu Rays will not sell in large figures - mainly the public's move towards streaming and digital media but also the feeling among some collectors that they're happy with Blu Ray. And also I think you're probably wrong about your last statement as DVDs tend to still sell more.

[Blu Titan]

Small update: Blu-ray sales have gone up year-over-year for the past seven weeks. Blu-ray sales revenue year-to-date is up 8.5% over 2015 .

[Cranston37]

Originally Posted by Arch Stanton

2. Absolutely no chance. UHD Blu Rays will not sell in large figures - mainly the public's move towards streaming and digital media but also the feeling among some collectors that they're happy with Blu Ray. And also I think you're probably wrong about your last statement as DVDs tend to still sell more.

One thought - I can easily see the studios releasing only 2 SKU's in the future: a DVD version for the lower end and a 4K/Blu combo for the higher end. I just think there are too many versions of each movie coming out...

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Small update: Blu-ray sales have gone up year-over-year for the past seven weeks. Blu-ray sales revenue year-to-date is up 8.5% over 2015 .

What -- you mean a week to week comparison showing a 20% drop for a week mid August 2015 over the same week 2014 isn't a death blow for Bluray?

[pmil]

Originally Posted by Cranston37

One thought - I can easily see the studios releasing only 2 SKU's in the future: a DVD version for the lower end and a 4K/Blu combo for the higher end. I just think there are too many versions of each movie coming out...

DVD should have been killed off many years ago.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by ghoulies

What about 4K films, is it worth buying a 4K TV and start buying Ultra 4K films?

Yes, of course. 1080p is now old school. Keep up with the times bro and go 4K.

[50strat54]

Well I'm going to be very honest here. I turned 60 this year and I remember a time when I couldn't own a movie or a television show. I recently bought Time Tunnel on DVD [no bluray release] and saw the Pearl Harbor episode. It's been 50 years since I've seen it. I only saw it on the original air date and possibly one rerun in the summer.

When VHS finally came in to existence I rented all my favorite movies [porn too!] and copied them to blank VHS tapes. Of course I had 2 machines!

Then the studios got wise and started putting copy guards on the films [but not Beta] but also the price went down. So I started buying the movies I really loved.

Moved to DVD which was even better.

Next Bluray which I was more reluctant to move into but now deeply ensconced in the format. If I own the DVD I'll wait for the movie to come down to $5-6.99.

If I've seen the movie on a screener or in the theater I'll wait until the price comes down to $10.

Most Special Editions [Digibook, bonus disc, steelbook] for a movie [especially super-hero] I'll buy day one and for Marvel always pre-order [learned my lesson on getting aced out on release day]

But to be very very honest I rarely watch all of the special features. I'm glad I got them but there is just not enough time in the day.

With films and music after all the bonus tracks, bonus features etc, I've reverted back to when I was a kid. I'm most interested in just the film itself. Yes I love Mr. Smith Goes To Washington and I bought the special edition digibook but I've so far only watched the movie. Big fan of Bruce Springsteen but I've barely listened to all those new River outtakes. It was much more exciting getting bootlegs and tapes when it was all underground.

And Elvis Costello...it's just tooooo much!

Give me This Year's Model [US or UK] and I'm now just happy with that.

Ben-Hur? Yeah I got the big bluray box but I only watched a few of the special features but have seen the movie twice already, incredible transfer.

So I collect because I'm a collector. Even though I thought Batman V Superman was average I still bought all three Special releases [Steelbook, Digibook and Graphic Novel]. I can afford more blurays because I no longer buy any music. I've hit a wall with music and I have everything I'm ever going to want or love.

Both my brother and sister no longer buy anything. Just stream both movies and music. My college roommate same thing...streaming.

I on the other hand will continue to buy blurays. I just bought: True Grit Steelbook, Horse Soldiers, McQ, Rio Bravo [on a Duke kick], Arlington Road, Blood Work, People Like Us and Atonement all catalog at $5 and $5.99.

With music I've seen some collectable titles go sky high. When that happens, I transfer to itunes and sell it. Sold off most of my Prince vinyl and CDs recently at a very good profit [couldn't let go of my Dirty Mind original promo vinyl with the airplay warning stickers]. I have everything on itunes. I'm happy with that.

FYI, My music collection dwarfs my video collection but I've stopped collecting music.

Can I mention my biggest recent score? It's Physical Media...DVD!! I bought the Emmy 2016 Netflix boxes [3 out of the 4 boxes but I could have gotten the 4th but nothing in it interested me]. No courtesy crawls on any for the DVDs: Jessica Jones, Daredevil Season 2 complete, Kimmy Schmidt Season 2 complete. The Netflix Keith Richards and Nina Simone Documentaries. House Of Cards Season 4. I paid less than $2.00 per season.

I don't subscribe to Netflix so getting Jessica Jones was a real coup. So far there is no release date set for Daredevil S2 or Jessica Jones. Guess Netflix has a hold on them for a certain amount of time. Apparently Daredevil S1 is coming out in the UK, possibly US in the fall.

If you live in Los Angeles there is a ton of Emmy screeners everywhere but the Netflix boxes are the best because they give you the entire season with no crawl. I bought 11/22/63 but there is a courtesy crawl through every episode and it's going to be released soon anyway but the price was right.

[pmil]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

Well I'm going to be very honest here. I turned 60 this year and I remember a time when I couldn't own a movie or a television show. I recently bought Time Tunnel on DVD [no bluray release] and saw the Pearl Harbor episode. It's been 50 years since I've seen it. I only saw it on the original air date and possibly one rerun in the summer.

When VHS finally came in to existence I rented all my favorite movies [porn too!] and copied them to blank VHS tapes. Of course I had 2 machines!

Then the studios got wise and started putting copy guards on the films [but not Beta] but also the price went down. So I started buying the movies I really loved.

Moved to DVD which was even better.

Next Bluray which I was more reluctant to move into but now deeply ensconced in the format. If I own the DVD I'll wait for the movie to come down to $5-6.99.

If I've seen the movie on a screener or in the theater I'll wait until the price comes down to $10.

Most Special Editions [Digibook, bonus disc, steelbook] for a movie [especially super-hero] I'll buy day one and for Marvel always pre-order [learned my lesson on getting aced out on release day]

But to be very very honest I rarely watch all of the special features. I'm glad I got them but there is just not enough time in the day.

With films and music after all the bonus tracks, bonus features etc, I've reverted back to when I was a kid. I'm most interested in just the film itself. Yes I love Mr. Smith Goes To Washington and I bought the special edition digibook but I've so far only watched the movie. Big fan of Bruce Springsteen but I've barely listened to all those new River outtakes. It was much more exciting getting bootlegs and tapes when it was all underground.

And Elvis Costello...it's just tooooo much!

Give me This Year's Model [US or UK] and I'm now just happy with that.

Ben-Hur? Yeah I got the big bluray box but I only watched a few of the special features but have seen the movie twice already, incredible transfer.

So I collect because I'm a collector. Even though I thought Batman V Superman was average I still bought all three Special releases [Steelbook, Digibook and Graphic Novel]. I can afford more blurays because I no longer buy any music. I've hit a wall with music and I have everything I'm ever going to want or love.

Both my brother and sister no longer buy anything. Just stream both movies and music. My college roommate same thing...streaming.

I on the other hand will continue to buy blurays. I just bought: True Grit Steelbook, Horse Soldiers, McQ, Rio Bravo [on a Duke kick], Arlington Road, Blood Work, People Like Us and Atonement all catalog at $5 and $5.99.

With music I've seen some collectable titles go sky high. When that happens, I transfer to itunes and sell it. Sold off most of my Prince vinyl and CDs recently at a very good profit [couldn't let go of my Dirty Mind original promo vinyl with the airplay warning stickers]. I have everything on itunes. I'm happy with that.

FYI, My music collection dwarfs my video collection but I've stopped collecting music.

Can I mention my biggest recent score? It's Physical Media...DVD!! I bought the Emmy 2016 Netflix boxes [3 out of the 4 boxes but I could have gotten the 4th but nothing in it interested me]. No courtesy crawls on any for the DVDs: Jessica Jones, Daredevil Season 2 complete, Kimmy Schmidt Season 2 complete. The Netflix Keith Richards and Nina Simone Documentaries. House Of Cards Season 4. I paid less than $2.00 per season.

I don't subscribe to Netflix so getting Jessica Jones was a real coup. So far there is no release date set for Daredevil S2 or Jessica Jones. Guess Netflix has a hold on them for a certain amount of time. Apparently Daredevil S1 is coming out in the UK, possibly US in the fall.

If you live in Los Angeles there is a ton of Emmy screeners everywhere but the Netflix boxes are the best because they give you the entire season with no crawl. I bought 11/22/63 but there is a courtesy crawl through every episode and it's going to be released soon anyway but the price was right.

I'm 50 years old and I'm also only interested in the movie itself. I also can't stand movies that differ from the theatrical release, like extended editions and director's cut and alternate endings. I loathe that kind of revisionist crap. As for bonus features, I can't recall ever watching one. My favorite Blu-Rays are those without bonus features and those that automatically play the movie, like the Matrix. I like a simple menu like my Australian release of Thunderbolt and Lightfoot and Race with the Devil. I want all the disc space to go towards a higher quality movie without the nonsense and frustrating menus. I believe all Blu-Rays should by default start playing on their own, allow the skipping of previews if present, and have a simple menu that seniors can also manage. Then there could be a hidden second menu for more advanced features for those inclined to enjoy that stuff.

I'd be very careful on waiting on some Blu-Rays as unlike DVD limited releases are much more common and you may end up not being able to find it ever again or cheaply. Sometimes you just have to pay full price before it's too late. Plus, we're not getting any younger and healthier. I don't wait much for things anymore. I could be dead tommorow.

If you think Ben Hur is incredible, and it is, watch Patton (remastered version) and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Both are also 70mm movies but show even better quality, in my opinion.

I'm also all digital downloads for music, mostly from iTunes and a few from Amazon. Also very happy with the quality and convenience. I also have all my DVDs ripped to my Mac on an external drive and conveniently play them to my Apple TVs in the living room and bedroom. So wonderfully convenient. Not practical to do the same for Blu-Ray at this time. File sizes will be the same as on the Blu-Ray disc, unlike with ripped DVDs, so they would take a long time to rip and would take up a lot of drive space for primary and backup drives.

I've pretty much bought most of the Blu-Ray movies I want, most of which are older movies. Not a fan of today's movies and there are now so many foreigner actors in American movies that's it's a really upsetting turn off. Most of my movies are from the 60s-90s. What I really want now is old TV series in Blu-Ray, mostly from the 70s-80s. Most of them are only available in DVD. It's frustrating because I have seen how good they can look on Netflix, such as Quincy and Emergency.

[Musicguy]

I remember in late 90's when the studios had the choice to put out DVD or HD film discs (not yet named Blu-ray)

They choose DVD.

Why?

Because they figured if they sold HD back then the market would be saturated in ten years (They correctly did not anticipate a new tv format coming so soon after HD) .

If the waited ten years to sell HD then people would buy DVD and then RE-BUY HD. They only had so much product to market.

Of course some of those studios have purchased vast libraries since then - but now some films which would be on Disc in HD only have a DVD release

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Eny-

Here in Portugal a 4DX 3D show has a mark up 100% higher than the normal ticket - € 12. Normal ticket for a 2D show is € 6.95 (€ 8.45 for 3D)

So what "upgrades" does 4D have near ya?
I was just told that besides smell, 4D in our Showcase Cinemas will also have vibrating chairs.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Musicguy

I remember in late 90's when the studios had the choice to put out DVD or HD film discs (not yet named Blu-ray)

They choose DVD.

Why?

Because they figured if they sold HD back then the market would be saturated in ten years (They correctly did not anticipate a new tv format coming so soon after HD) .

If the waited ten years to sell HD then people would buy DVD and then RE-BUY HD. They only had so much product to market.

Of course some of those studios have purchased vast libraries since then - but now some films which would be on Disc in HD only have a DVD release

There would be positives and negatives to that scenario. If HD discs were available in the 90s they would likely be low bitrate 720p with similar discs to DVD. When the switch to 1080p with more durable discs came (Blu-ray) even less people would see the upgrade as worth it.

Therefore there would be more HD discs available (everything that is currently on DVD) but there would be a lot less 1080p Blu-ray discs available. All HD is not equal so upgrading all DVDs to low-grade HD is not worth giving up a lot of Blu-ray titles.

[Eny-]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

So what "upgrades" does 4D have near ya?
I was just told that besides smell, 4D in our Showcase Cinemas will also have vibrating chairs.

3D, smell, vibrating chairs and environment effects, like rain or fog.

Bring your umbrella if a particular movie is rainy

[hagios]

It is alive & well with me!

[pmil]

Originally Posted by hagios

It is alive & well with me!

Me too. Blu-Ray will be the last physical format I buy and it will suit me just fine until the day I die.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by pmil

Me too. Blu-Ray will be the last physical format I buy and it will suit me just fine until the day I die.

What if at some point new titles are only released on a later format? Once UHD players drop in price regular Blu-ray releases of new titles will be redundant.

[koover]

Wow, I was interested in your points of view because we're all entitled. But wow man, just wow
Sorry you had to take that crazyBlue. Messed up in all sorts of ways.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by koover

Wow, I was interested in your points of view because we're all entitled. But wow man, just wow
Sorry you had to take that crazyBlue. Messed up in all sorts of ways.

Don't worry about it for I don't let it bother me He has 6 months to think about & perm ban if he comes back & continues

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by koover

Wow, I was interested in your points of view because we're all entitled. But wow man, just wow
Sorry you had to take that crazyBlue. Messed up in all sorts of ways.

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What'd I miss? What happened?

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

??
What'd I miss? What happened?

A meltdown Charles Manson would have been proud of complete with 1960's level exercise of free speech rights neglecting of course that this isn't a government agency, a public forum, nor does Speaking Your Mind come without repurcussions