Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

Yeah I agree, that's why I said sort of. If studios put full real efforts in MODs I think it will be the game changer for catalog titles. I'm waiting for a shitload of comedy films to make it over and this would be a perfect opportunity to do that

It's odd to use the bad example (Sony's burned discs) instead of the good example (WAC's pressed discs) when you're advocating for limited runs.

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by Cranston37

I agree with every word of this, and wish more did. Shelves with a couple hundred movies you own have a hard time competing with the little box on your TV that can give you access to those plus 10,000 more.*

*for about 90% of consumers

But more choice doesn't necessarily equal meaningful choice. The problem with the digital paradigm shift is that we're being bombarded with too many options to make a meaningful choice. I'm willing to bet that with the rise of streaming, people actually watch LESS stuff and maybe even enjoy it less because we're so quickly on to the next thing. When there were only 3 networks, content was king. You didn't really have DVRs... so you scheduled you evening around your choice. Now that you have 500 channels, how many times have you surfed only to say to yourself, "There's nothing on" and what IS on is likely watered down, cheap to produce content because the audience is so fractured and can be watched anytime via apps, OnDemand, YouTube, etc. It's like going to a restaurant that has 5 really amazing, but specific, items on the menu versus someplace that will literally make anything you ask for from a menu that is 20 pages long. Which place is likely to make the better food and which restaurant will you most likely make the quickest decision?

Sometimes limits force us to commit. Physical media actually forces you to commit (either by physical or financial limitations) to the art you love and WANT to own. It's the difference between having a collection you love instead of a media collection you simply "have access to."

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

It's odd to use the bad example (Sony's burned discs) instead of the good example (WAC's pressed discs) when you're advocating for limited runs.

It just popped into my head first bud, no harm intended. you know what I meant

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by Cliff

But more choice doesn't necessarily equal meaningful choice. The problem with the digital paradigm shift is that we're being bombarded with too many options to make a meaningful choice. I'm willing to bet that with the rise of streaming, people actually watch LESS stuff and maybe even enjoy it less because we're so quickly on to the next thing. When there were only 3 networks, content was king. You didn't really have DVRs... so you scheduled you evening around your choice. Now that you have 500 channels, how many times have you surfed only to say to yourself, "There's nothing on" and what IS on is likely watered down, cheap to produce content because the audience is so fractured and can be watched anytime via apps, OnDemand, YouTube, etc. It's like going to a restaurant that has 5 really amazing, but specific, items on the menu versus someplace that will literally make anything you ask for from a menu that is 20 pages long. Which place is likely to get you to make the better food and which restaurant will you most likely make the quickest decision?

Sometimes limits force us to commit. Physical media actually forces you to commit (either by physical or financial limitations) to the art you love and WANT to own. It's the difference between having a collection you love instead of a media collection you simply "have access to."

This is why the BO is taking a hit, Literally every weekend their are 4-5 new release movies. I don't understand why studios would think people would get around to all of these. Studios need to go back to focusing on quality of quantity.

[50strat54]

Originally Posted by bigshot

In the VHS era, most people rented tapes from Blockbuster too.

and because the VHS Film release was super expensive, we "duped" them for our collections. I still have my boxes of VHS that I taped from rentals.

also lots of music clips like groups/artists that appeared on Letterman. And they played LIVE on letterman. Some great stuff I have all on VHS!

[50strat54]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

I really never understand why people have a hard time understanding this logic. When Ipod first came around people were so quick to say CDs and physical music is dead, yet here we are in 2016 and Vinyl records are out selling digital music. Why can't people just believe in options? why is it one or the other, clearly companies don't think so. This thread is stupid

at this time Vinyl might be outselling digital downloads and that is because people have moved to streaming.

Revenue wise, vinyl is a very small part of the pie for the music industry but because the industry has shrunk so much the companies which once turned their back on vinyl have now embraced it because they can't afford to lose any revenue stream no matter how small.

Streaming...Spotify is the choice for music listeners and the heritage artists make money from touring like Bruce, Stones, McCartney, The Who, Neil Young etc.

Of course Adele is the massive exception to the rule. Never thought Nsync's one week sales of 2.4 million CDs would be beat but she did it big time.

[Nailwraps]

Another article:
http://www.mediapost.com/publication...-blu-rays.html

And physical media still wins.

[50strat54]

and now a little off topic rant on vinyl

It's a part of my childhood but moving 100 boxes of vinyl [each box 100 records] you start to kind of despise the format.

Pops clicks distortion

Moving the needle around to your favorite cut

turning the record over

THANK GOD FOR CDs!!!!!

so convenient great sound

DO NOT believe all these people rhapsodizing over the "warm" sound of vinyl.

BALONEY!

Now that we've learned how to remaster tapes a well remastered CD sounds like heaven.

You also get more of the "sound" on CDs. On vinyl they had to cut the bass or the needle would skip out of the grooves. No need to do that for CDs.

The Compact Disc...they got it right in every way possible but now in the name of even more convenience...mp3s and streaming.

I'm not unhappy w/mp3s and the ipod but CDs were the perfect medium for music in terms of convenience and quality.

Rant over...

[GasmaskAvenger]

I agree, 50strat54.

A lot of people take CDs for granted. It's a really solid format, much like blu-ray itself (If only some genius attempted to create the 4K UHD version of the compact disc that can hold more than eighty minutes of music, but that's probably never, ever going to happen).

Sure I own a handful of vinyl records, but I always prefer getting a CD over a vinyl record. Easy to handle and you can transfer it to whatever digital format you want.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Nailwraps

Another article:
http://www.mediapost.com/publication...-blu-rays.html

And physical media still wins.

Most people I know primarily watch via streaming services like Netflix or Amazon Prime. But if they want a specific movie that isn't on those services they buy a DVD or Blu-ray. Fortunately the studios have not been successful in convincing most people to buy individual titles digitally.

As long as that remains true the highest profits will continue to be made from physical where they can get $5-$20 per movie instead of $8-$15 per month.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Nailwraps

Another article:
http://www.mediapost.com/publication...-blu-rays.html

And physical media still wins.

Though many of these consumers have shown a propensity to own video content in the past, consumers seem to believe they have access to enough content through streaming and subscription models, and owning the content has become less of a priority, Tice says.

[GasmaskAvenger]

Honestly, buying a digital copy of a movie, IMO, is stupid. At least with music, there are sites that offer lossless copies of albums for purchase, so you can always burn those to a CD-R to have the closest thing to a physical copy

Movie/TV streaming services makes somewhat more sense than buying digital but I still prefer the joy of actually owning a physical copy greatly.

[50strat54]

Originally Posted by GasmaskAvenger

Honestly, buying a digital copy of a movie, IMO, is stupid. At least with music, there are sites that offer lossless copies of albums for purchase, so you can always burn those to a CD-R to have the closest thing to a physical copy

Movie/TV streaming services makes somewhat more sense than buying digital but I still prefer the joy of actually owning a physical copy greatly.

I'm not a fan of buying digital movies or Made On Demand DVD-r or Bluray-r but having said that I have bought a few titles because they never came out on DVD let alone bluray.

itunes - so I can watch on my phone or pad:
Goodbye Charlie
Dear Brigitte

DVD-r made to order:
Mr. Lucky
The Strawberry Blonde
One On One
Freebie And The Bean

I'm still thinking of buying the DVD-r of The Great Imposter and Gigot
and the digital file of Love With The Proper Stranger

I'd be happy if they would have released these on regular manufactured DVDs but alas that is not to be and it looks like DVD-r or digital is the only way to go.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Sorry but I'm not buying that. Do you honestly believe that if people weren't torrenting or downloading all the stuff they do that they would pay for it instead? Lol, people who download tons of movies/music/whatever are like hoarders - they take it because it's free and it's there. I've known coworkers who download everything they find - and that includes comics, movies, porn, and probably anything else you can think of. With 4-5TB hard drives it's easier than ever to fill them up with whatever you see and look through it at your convenience. People certainly would not be spending thousands or tens of thousands of dollars to buy them on disc if they weren't online for free. Who has that kind of money? There has been study after study that shows that not all downloads equal lost sales. In fact I would say most don't. People that download either A) don't have any desire to own the product on physical media, or B) can't afford it. Either way, those are not people who would be buying the product no mater what.

You don't have to claim every pirated viewing is a lost sale or rental to acknowledge that piracy has had a huge impact on the industry. When my entire family, in-law family, friend circles, co-workers and student body pirate everything and talk about it openly, I don't think I'm crazy for thinking those peoples' buying and renting habits would likely be very different if they didn't have access to all that free content. Would they all become BD collectors like me? Of course not, probably very few of them would. Would they be renting or buying more though? Surely they would.

Netflix is also a huge deal, as are other streaming services, but to deny piracy is a huge part of that article's findings, that while disc sales plummet digital sales and rentals are not seeing a lot of customers, is to be naive. Those people are watching stuff, and it ain't all on Netflix. It always seems like a manufactured position to take to remove all guilt when people assert piracy has no real impact. It has a huge impact.

[bigshot]

People are naturally lazy. Downloading movies is a pain. I'm sure most people just browse through Netflix until they find something to watch the same way they snap channels on TV.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by mredman

This thread is going nowhere its like

thank god. that put it back on track.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by bigshot

People are naturally lazy. Downloading movies is a pain. I'm sure most people just browse through Netflix until they find something to watch the same way they snap channels on TV.

Sure, and there are pirate streaming sites that work exactly like Netflix but for all new release movies and shows. It ain't really about torrents anymore. Every time I visit my in-laws they bring up their little streaming site and ask me if I want to watch movies that opened last week in theaters. All you have to do is scroll the list and click play on the one you want.

[yoniweisberg]

One thing which I can't quite get my head around, and would love to see what your opinions are...

Obviously streaming, and digital has massively changed the music industry. As someone who makes music videos as part of my living I can attest to that being a part of the industry which has seen budgets cut beyond recognition from where they were 10 years ago, and a lightyear from 20 years ago. This is just one area in which the money has all but dried up, and I'm simply using that as an example to give a picture of the larger industry. Of course, the reasons behind this aren't just limited to physical sales - the decline of music channels on TV has also played a part.

But the phsycial sales aspect is a clear area where music was ahead of film but we can see a sharp drop off in recent years. Using Avengers vs Avengers: Age of Ultron as examples (figures from thenumbers.com). The Avengers grossed $623,000,000 in 2012, and made £232,000,000 in home sales, flash forward to 2015 and Age of Ultron made $76,000,000 - that's a staggering drop off, and something which will noway near be made up for in streaming licensing, meaning that money is being taken out of the industry, and I can only imagine it's far worse the further down the ladder you go.

I guess my overall question is when the physical sales money dries up, and I would imagine that something like 75% of physical media revenue will have disappeared in the next 5-10 years, what trickle down effects do you see it having on the industry as a whole?

[EVERYONE LIES]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

I'm not a fan of buying digital movies or Made On Demand DVD-r or Bluray-r but having said that I have bought a few titles because they never came out on DVD let alone bluray.

itunes - so I can watch on my phone or pad:
Goodbye Charlie
Dear Brigitte

DVD-r made to order:
Mr. Lucky
The Strawberry Blonde
One On One
Freebie And The Bean

I'm still thinking of buying the DVD-r of The Great Imposter and Gigot
and the digital file of Love With The Proper Stranger

I'd be happy if they would have released these on regular manufactured DVDs but alas that is not to be and it looks like DVD-r or digital is the only way to go.

Obviously you're a Jimmy Stewart fan too. Dear Bridgette in available from Germany region free

[mredman]

As of now Blu-Ray is UP in sales 9.3% this year.