Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by koover

Yikes,
If I'd known that, I wouldn't have stirred the pot.
I find the entire discussion interesting but if it's to the point of trolling?...not my intent to encourage it further. Anyway..... Overall a good thread.
Now on to me stating the reasons why physical media will die and all media will only be on a smartphone in 6 months.

Don't take too much notice of one person's comments. His posts (in my opinion) come across as hateful so he is a hypocrite. Please judge me one to one instead of basing everything off one guy's warped opinion of me.

[Arch Stanton]

Does seem a bit much to be actually asking for a ban.

[tob]

Originally Posted by doctor_who

Frankly, I can't believe you haven't been banned. Constantly repeating the same thing over and over and starting new threads about the same old thing. Trolling 101. Even if you believe it, you're still at troll. DalekBuster523 got the boot 3 times, and you've never been flagged? C'mon mods! Let's get'r'done!

That's low to try and get another member banned Steedeel hasn't discussed this topic in a while because he was not on the forum for his own reasons.
You might not agree with the man but don't go down the road of banning another member he is not trolling just have concerns for the future of media.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by tob

That's low to try and get another member banned Steedeel hasn't discussed this topic in a while because he was not on the forum for his own reasons.
You might not agree with the man but don't go down the road of banning another member he is not trolling just have concerns for the future of media.

Thanks Tob, voice of reason.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Arch Stanton

Does seem a bit much to be actually asking for a ban.

It's trolling behaviour in itself. Still, whatever, most of you guys are good guys, I don't believe I have offended anyone? If my view offends anyone, well half the world are trolls in that case.

[PenguinMaster]

There is no reason why any internet providers would want mobile to be the only option no matter how popular it is. Home internet is extremely profitable so internet providers will continue to offer it. Even if the majority of customers switch to mobile only that won't prevent other internet options from being available. Businesses can never rely on mobile only so other options will always have to be available for that reason.

On the studio side: even if the vast majority of customers are watching mobile versions of videos making (more expensive) big screen versions available is a very low expense so studios have no reason not to offer them as well. Even if only 5% of their customers are purchasing premium big screen versions they'd still be highly profitable.

Physical media is obviously a different matter altogether. The manufacturing and distribution costs far exceed digital and the studios have no control over redistribution. The studios would therefore like to drop that market completely if they can get enough people to support digital.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

There is no reason why any internet providers would want mobile to be the only option no matter how popular it is. Home internet is extremely profitable so internet providers will continue to offer it. Even if the majority of customers switch to mobile only that won't prevent other internet options from being available. Businesses can never rely on mobile only so other options will always have to be available for that reason.

On the studio side: even if the vast majority of customers are watching mobile versions of videos making (more expensive) big screen versions available is a very low expense so studios have no reason not to offer them as well. Even if only 5% of their customers are purchasing premium big screen versions they'd still be highly profitable.

Physical media is obviously a different matter altogether. The manufacturing and distribution costs far exceed digital and the studios have no control over redistribution. The studios would therefore like to drop that market completely if they can get enough people to support digital.

I hope it will always remain an option. Your post gives me a little hope

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ok, let's take that further. Let's say disc doesn't survive 20 years? Presuming mobile contracts with associated data restrictions are in place for a mobile first world for the majority. Like a poster above suggests, do they find a way to cast to the big screen (considering data restrictions) or is it curtains for film on a tv.

You keep talking about mobile data, like data caps aren't a thing. They are a thing, for both home/fiber/cable and also wireless. And that's not going to change if/until the FCC gets involved and finally puts an end to data caps (which I believe they may do at some point). The FCC has given the cable industry a real hard time the last few years thanks to the current chairman, Tom Wheeler.

As long as data caps are a thing for many/most people, streaming will be limited.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by doctor_who

Frankly, I can't believe you haven't been banned. Constantly repeating the same thing over and over and starting new threads about the same old thing. Trolling 101. Even if you believe it, you're still at troll. DalekBuster523 got the boot 3 times, and you've never been flagged? C'mon mods! Let's get'r'done!

I don't think it's fair to label someone a troll just because they have an unpopular opinion. He clearly has strong feelings about this. I get it. We all have a fear in the back of our minds about where the industry is going. But I think he worries far too much about it. He's not a troll just because he has a strong opinion. I just think he's at this point. But it is a discussion thread, after all. And this is exactly what this thread is for - state of physical media.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It's trolling behaviour in itself. Still, whatever, most of you guys are good guys, I don't believe I have offended anyone? If my view offends anyone, well half the world are trolls in that case.

I wouldn't say you're trolling at all. You're staying on-topic which is more than many people do in these threads. You're obviously concerned about the future of home video for collectors/ film aficionados. I just think it's not as bleak as you are afraid it is. Things can certainly change, but none of us can see the future. I think currently it's a great time to be a film fan, with so many great titles getting re-released after being locked away in vaults for so long, so all we can do is support the home video industry as best we can and keep sending the studios and manufacturers the message that we want physical media to stick around. That's all any of us can do.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I don't think it's fair to label someone a troll just because they have an unpopular opinion. He clearly has strong feelings about this. I get it. We all have a fear in the back of our minds about where the industry is going. But I think he worries far too much about it. He's not a troll just because he has a strong opinion. I just think he's at this point. But it is a discussion thread, after all. And this is exactly what this thread is for - state of physical media.

Thank you.

[Mike1981]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I didn't ignore it but tethering is never going to be a solution for home cinema is it? Let's face it. That's just clutching at straws.

A 10% increase in two years is some jump and that's before we get to 5g. A 7% decrease in broadband homes is also significant. Especially in just 2 years.

Again, how do you know the majority of people who are dropping broadband even used it for streaming? Isn't it likely they dropped it because they weren't making use of it?

You can't take a single data point and extrapolate it that way.

[dublinbluray108]

There are some figures here from Ofcom about TV viewing habits in the UK if you want to take a look.

They will give you a surprise because viewing TV with On demand/streaming services is still in the minority over there.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1952

Let's just say that 5G gets officially rolled out by a internet provider. Do a lot of people here think it will still be cheaper to use rather than using FTTH? Will a lot of people be able to afford having to access it in their homes in the short term? I certainly don't believe that by any stretch of the imagination. These companies will still have to provide trunk loads of investment to make it become a reality. 5G in reality is something that is a niche offering for a minority of customers like UHD Blu-ray for comparison.

I know that the comparison above is not really a good one but hear me out on this one.

You also have to ask someone will the rollout of 5G broadband be much faster than as to when 4G broadband was first rolled out. This 5G stuff is dubbed as 'the internet of things' & that idea puts itself into a much bigger challenge of having it completed for future generations. It has the potential to create a lot more complexity in how the world will work around us when this options finally exists for good. This is because people might need the requirement of having lots more devices in the home to make this option fit for purpose & to suit their own lifestyles outside of the home.

The option of having 5G is all well & good but it is really necessary for the majority to take it up instantly. You & I would really prefer with the notion of seamless operation with absolutely no failures with 5G. But what we have seen before with current broadband infrastructure it can fail with regard to media services not working properly to one needs.

All I'm saying is this option can present risks for controlling much bigger things than small mobile devices in our own hands.

Also just for a point of reference regarding this discussion & others.

I wouldn't agree with banning someone who are apparently trolling on the site for simply having a different opinion to others around them.

We, as a physical media collectors fan site, would have various differing opinions on how we view our media nearly all of the time. That is certainly a given. Having a healthy discussion on topics from this site can be very good for the soul in a lot of ways because these discussions give us an educational insight into how the world works around us through the world of Home Entertainment. I don't expect people to be judged harshly on how they watch or listen to their media. Nobody I think on this site would ever dream of making a nasty response to others depending on how they do this stuff at home. It's nice to be nice to others as it costs to nothing to us after all.

[serpentine]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

I wouldn't agree with banning someone who are apparently trolling on the site for simply having a different opinion to others around them.

We, as a physical media collectors fan site, would have various differing opinions on how we view our media nearly all of the time. That is certainly a given. Having a healthy discussion on topics from this site can be very good for the soul in a lot of ways because these discussions give us an educational insight into how the world works around us through the world of Home Entertainment. I don't expect people to be judged harshly on how they watch or listen to their media. Nobody I think on this site would ever dream of making a nasty response to others depending on how they do this stuff at home. It's nice to be nice to others as it costs to nothing to us after all.

Well said mate. As long as it's not anything that oversteps the mark, he is free to give his point of view and we are free to disagree.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

There are some figures here from Ofcom about TV viewing habits in the UK if you want to take a look.

They will give you a surprise because viewing TV with On demand/streaming services is still in the minority over there.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1952

Let's just say that 5G gets officially rolled out by a internet provider. Do a lot of people here think it will still be cheaper to use rather than using FTTH? Will a lot of people be able to afford having to access it in their homes in the short term? I certainly don't believe that by any stretch of the imagination. These companies will still have to provide trunk loads of investment to make it become a reality. 5G in reality is something that is a niche offering for a minority of customers like UHD Blu-ray for comparison.

I know that the comparison above is not really a good one but hear me out on this one.

You also have to ask someone will the rollout of 5G broadband be much faster than as to when 4G broadband was first rolled out. This 5G stuff is dubbed as 'the internet of things' & that idea puts itself into a much bigger challenge of having it completed for future generations. It has the potential to create a lot more complexity in how the world will work around us when this options finally exists for good. This is because people might need the requirement of having lots more devices in the home to make this option fit for purpose & to suit their own lifestyles outside of the home.

The option of having 5G is all well & good but it is really necessary for the majority to take it up instantly. You & I would really prefer with the notion of seamless operation with absolutely no failures with 5G. But what we have seen before with current broadband infrastructure it can fail with regard to media services not working properly to one needs.

All I'm saying is this option can present risks for controlling much bigger things than small mobile devices in our own hands.

Also just for a point of reference regarding this discussion & others.

Thanks for your comments. The trolling accusation was very hurtful, after all couldn't sending insulting gifs be considered trolling? After all, the intention is to demean someone while seeking approval from other members.

Anyway, in 5 years membership, I have never reported anyone and I never will.

I wouldn't agree with banning someone who are apparently trolling on the site for simply having a different opinion to others around them.

We, as a physical media collectors fan site, would have various differing opinions on how we view our media nearly all of the time. That is certainly a given. Having a healthy discussion on topics from this site can be very good for the soul in a lot of ways because these discussions give us an educational insight into how the world works around us through the world of Home Entertainment. I don't expect people to be judged harshly on how they watch or listen to their media. Nobody I think on this site would ever dream of making a nasty response to others depending on how they do this stuff at home. It's nice to be nice to others as it costs to nothing to us after all.

I think it is more something they will force like 4g. Apparently the first use of 5g will be for fixed wireless to the home before they fine tune things for mobile in around 2023-2025. Like you say, there will be many ifs and buts before it can be viable. I just hope if more people opt for mobile broadband, there will be some way to cast that on a tv that fits into a price plan or for slightly more per month.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Mike1981

Again, how do you know the majority of people who are dropping broadband even used it for streaming? Isn't it likely they dropped it because they weren't making use of it?

You can't take a single data point and extrapolate it that way.

Well, I don't know for sure.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well, I don't know for sure.

But if there's even a one percent chance, you have to take it as an absolute certainty, amiright?

Along with that, you have to completely ignore the fact that big screen TVs are cheaper - and more prevalent - than ever in the US and that broadband is a hugely profitable service that's not going anywhere any time soon, but that's not a problem either, is it?

I honestly feel sorry for you. It's never been better for a home theater enthusiast, and here you are, more bummed than ever. That must really suck.

[Bates_Motel]

http://deadline.com/2016/11/home-ent...eg-1201847962/

"But that includes subscription streaming — primarily from Netflix — which was added to DEG’s calculations in 2011. That category was up 23.9% from last year’s Q3 to $1.61 billion."

"Even so, total disc sales fell 8.7% to $1.05 billion. The digital counterpart, electronic sell-through, was up 9.8% to $486.2 million."

Blu-ray sales were slightly up, but not enough to offset people's move to streaming and digital. But hey, people keep saying physical media isn't slowly dying, despite drops every quarter.

[mredman]

Pathetic much what in the hell are you even doing on a site like this
Over a billion revenue ALONE IN THE US that is huge.
there will be place for everyone plenty of people streaming also by their most favorite on Blu-Ray. Then there is people that are hardcore collectors like me that also stream but still buys the Blu-Rays for the shows and movies they want to own. Because they know streaming and digital is "smoke" and can disappear any day.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Along with that, you have to completely ignore the fact that big screen TVs are cheaper - and more prevalent - than ever in the US and that broadband is a hugely profitable service that's not going anywhere any time soon, but that's not a problem either, is it?

Not only is broadband not going anywhere, the fact that it's not the only game in town could be a net positive for consumers. A lot of people - myself included - tend to believe competition in the marketplace is a Good Thing.

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

It's never been better for a home theater enthusiast,...

This is not only true, it's not even a close call.

By any reasonable measure we've never ever ever had it so good.

Ever.

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

But hey, people keep saying physical media isn't slowly dying, despite drops every quarter.

I don't think too many people dispute the notion that disc-based physical media will one day be supplanted. I think many of us are simply laughing at the doomsayers who think 'one day' is tomorrow or next week or next year.

Year after year after year we've heard poster after poster after poster declare the death of the catalog titles on BD and yet catalog offerings are stronger than ever with more distributors putting out a wider variety of high quality releases.

These are the people who point to the CD market as some of sort of harbinger of doom despite the fact that CDs have been going strong for over thirty years and that a physical copy of pretty much anything one cares to listen to is rarely more than a few mouse clicks away.

But sure, I can't find Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? at Target so the end must be nigh.

indeed.