The Shining 4K UHD (1980)

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

It's odd and it's hypocritical. Either Kubrick's decision to leave both cuts exclusive to their respective markets until his death mattered or it didn't. How you or I feel about which cut is superior is irrelevant.

I’d say “doesn’t matter”. Squash the UK cut, sayeth I, and piss on the ashes.

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

I’d say “doesn’t matter”. Squash the UK cut, sayeth I, and piss on the ashes.

So we can all just disregard point #2 in post 3685 then? That's a bunch of horseshit, right?

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

So we can all just disregard point #2 in post 3685 then? That's a bunch of horseshit, right?

I’m still not following why you’re hung up in that post. crazybeats was offering a theory that Kubrick preferred the UK cut. I countered that he showed no clear preference for either. Why contort it to fit some other agenda you’re pushing?

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

I’m still not following why you’re hung up in that post. crazybeats was offering a theory that Kubrick preferred the UK cut. I countered that he showed no clear preference for either. Why contort it to fit some other agenda you’re pushing?

Let's check the record:

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

It's odd and it's hypocritical. Either Kubrick's decision to leave both cuts exclusive to their respective markets until his death mattered or it didn't. How you or I feel about which cut is superior is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

I’d say “doesn’t matter”. Squash the UK cut, sayeth I, and piss on the ashes.

The continued exclusivity of the American cut in the American market is irrelevant according to you. Thus your counter to crazybeat's theory, a theory I consider without foundation btw, does not follow. If we're to disregard what Kubrick did with The Shining after its initial theatrical releases, then the Euro cut would indeed be his "final word" on the film.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

The continued exclusivity of the American cut in the American market is irrelevant according to you.

I said that where?! Jesus, this isn’t effing algebra. Kubrick made a cut in America that he continued to disseminate in America for the rest of his life. He also made an international cut that he continued to disseminate internationally for the rest of his life. They’re both director’s cuts. He stood by both equally for the rest of his life. Now, going from that macro down to my micro, if Warner Bros wishes to only stick by one of the two cuts going forward, I passionately and vehemently and delightedly support the one they chose to back.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Yeah, the opening is really stunning in 4K.

~Matt

The photography itself is luvverly but what helps MASSIVELY is that the title sequence isn't an optical, that's a fresh digital overlay of the titles onto cherry camera original. Kubrick being Kubrick he was a fiend for quality, and not content with having the film put on A & B rolls - so that the huge amount of dissolves would be done using overlaps of two reels of first-generation material, well done Warners for not botching any of them unlike 2001 - he also seems to have ensured that he kept the 'clean' version of the titles too.

The opening titles simply had to have been an optical for the actual theatrical release as there was just no other way around it, and on the initial home video transfers they seem to have used a theatrical print (cue markers and all, as can be seen in that Shining version comparison on youtube) which is very dirty and you can see the flecks of dirt sitting atop the titles when they appear, so the titles are definitely "burnt in" on the prints.

But on the newer 1999 'remastered' 4:3 DVD the title text looks completely different, like it was totally reformatted for that version. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned how tacky and 'electronic' they look, like they were done with a crude video overlay of the kind you got on TV broadcasts back in the day, and it's not just the position and size that has changed as the font even has a drop shadow which none of the other variants of the titles before or since have carried.

Example:

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When we get the mid-Noughties Warners 1.78 HD transfer then the titles are more like how they were before, whether they're another (vastly improved!) electronic representation is unclear but you know what the crazy thing is? That 1999 DVD actually has BETTER detail during the title sequence than the old Blu-ray does, the striations in the rock are more clearly defined. I can only think that the HD transfer was done from an IP (as was the rest of the movie, pretty standard for the mid-Noughties) while the 1999 DVD's titles were redone from the 'clean' camera negative, thus baking more detail into the inferior SD format.

Example:

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Then we get to the new 4K transfer (as seen on BD and UHD) which is also using that camera original like the DVD seemingly did, with newly generated digital titles overlaid on top with no loss of resolution and it looks so stunning as a result. The titles are placed differently yet again (these three images are all the exact same frame), and look at the colour of the UHD vs the other two as well. Photos should never, ever be used as a definitive guide but even so, we can see how lush and green the trees look on the old HD 1.78 transfer, turning slightly more yellowy on the older 4:3 DVD and going full-on autumnal for the new 4K 1.78 which I thought was a great touch, seeing as winter isn't far away.

Example:

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PS

Is it me or does anyone else hear the title music in their brain from just seeing those still frames above?

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

I said that where?! Jesus, this isn’t effing algebra. Kubrick made a cut in America that he continued to disseminate in America for the rest of his life. He also made an international cut that he continued to disseminate internationally for the rest of his life. They’re both director’s cuts. He stood by both equally for the rest of his life. Now, going from that macro down to my micro, if Warner Bros wishes to only stick by one of the two cuts going forward, I passionately and vehemently and delightedly support the one they chose to back.

The following exchange:

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

Either Kubrick's decision to leave both cuts exclusive to their respective markets until his death mattered or it didn't.

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

I’d say "doesn’t matter".

You are free to gloat that your preferred cut is the only one available on UHD even if that goes against SK's wishes. It also makes you kind of an a**hole but you've made it clear you don't care about that. What you don't get to say is that the continued availability of the American cut is irrelevant and also that the continued availability of the American cut means that the Euro cut wasn't SK's "final word" on The Shining. That's logic, not algebra.

[Filmmaker]

Jesus, you’re either dense as hell or have terrible writing skills but, AGAIN, I have never argued that the continued availability of the American cut is irrelevant. I am arguing literally the EXACT OPPOSITE.

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Jesus, you’re either dense as hell or have terrible writing skills but, AGAIN, I have never argued that the continued availability of the American cut is irrelevant. I am arguing literally the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Well, the exchange is there for all to see. You've made illogical claims in this thread before so I can't say I'm surprised.

As for for being 'dense as hell', I hope nobody here checks in on 'The Omen Collection' thread for your sake.

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

I hope nobody here checks in on 'The Omen Collection' thread for your sake.

I read the latest exchanges there just this morning and I have to laugh when a so called "mega-fan" is happy that his fellow film fan is being neglected in the case of The Shining shorter cut. A 'mega-fan' respects the craft, the directors intentions and would want their fellow fans to be catered for. They would not be running around the internet like some filthy cancer taking pleasure like they do.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by nekromantik

i also getting lip sync issues on DV playback.
there is normally some anyway on 2017 OLEDs with DV movies but its more noticeable on here.

Were you able to resolve it?

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Jesus, you’re either dense as hell or have terrible writing skills but, AGAIN, I have never argued that the continued availability of the American cut is irrelevant. I am arguing literally the EXACT OPPOSITE.

Is the ad-hominem really necessary? Come on lmao

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Yeah, the opening is really stunning in 4K.

~Matt

There's a big white bird one can briefly see amongst the pines when they're driving to The Overlook as well. It's brief but it's there. I never caught that before! It really says something when animals suddenly become visible in shots they were never visible before on home video!

[chad_1138]

Time to get those Best Buy price adjustments done:

Standard 4K 19.99 at Target and Amazon.

Steelbook 4K 26.99 at Best Buy today only.

[Filmmaker]

Ah, Kyle15, my own little Johnny from internet Cobra Kai. It’s starting to feel like you have a crush on me, which is touching, but I’m not into dudes.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Ah, Kyle15, my own little Johnny from internet Cobra Kai. It’s starting to feel like you have a crush on me, which is touching, but I’m not into dudes.

Ooh hol-up there I am gay you know, be careful cuz that's a lil homophobic!! Time to cancel you!

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Don't worry I won't cancel you, I'm not a bumhole and don't find your unpalatable brand of manner particularly attractive anyway, your admittance through denial is cute tho I will say. I already got a boyfriend.

[crazybeats]

I was reading that in the new Doctor Sleep movie

[Show spoiler] they use unused shots from The Shining with permission from The Kubrick Estate from when Jack is driving to the Overlook so....so much for Kubrick having all his unused footage destroyed

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[Roy_Batty]

Originally Posted by crazybeats

I was reading that in the new Doctor Sleep movie

[Show spoiler] they use unused shots from The Shining with permission from The Kubrick Estate from when Jack is driving to the Overlook so....so much for Kubrick having all his unused footage destroyed

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The original theatrical cut of the ending of Blade Runner features unused footage from the opening sequence of the Shining.

[crazybeats]

I know but my point is if they still have unused footage then what else do they have?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by crazybeats

I know but my point is if they still have unused footage then what else do they have?

Stuff that you'll likely never see so I don't know why you keep obsessing about it every chance you get.