Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[saprano]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Because at the end of the day I am my own person and not a mindless cyborg that does what someone tells me I should do. I do what I want. Especially in my own house.

With that said, sometimes I just want the picture bigger since I was not willing to spend 6-7k on a 75"+ tv.

I hate full zoom, but oppo has a very good compromise where it zooms but still has black bars at the top&bottom.

For what it's worth, I usually don't zoom the 1st time I watch a movie. But occasionally do afterwards.

I'm not saying anything about being a "mindless cyborg" and listening to what others tell you. Movies are shot a certain way and you purposely choose to alter it because you don't like the bars? A bigger picture doesn't matter to me if i'm watching the movie the exact way it was shot by the director. I'm not going to sacrifice image quality and things the director wanted the audience to see in those wide shots for a bigger picture. It would be the wrong picture. If anything, scope films actually do look and feel bigger than full screen movies since the wider picture has an expansiveness to them. Zooming in on a scope movie would actually make the picture look smaller and squeezed in.

I made this thread years ago that i think you should take a look at

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=48166

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[JamesBond4kuhdbluray]

I have this player on order from Samsung. I also see that High Def Digest did a review of the Kingsman 4K Blu Ray. Does anyone have the Kingsman 4K Blu Ray and compared it to the Vividity UHD download? I suspect they're identical, as would also probably be the case with The Martian.

[bbwiscfan]

And you know what? They are absolutely right.

First, I'm not one who has an audio system capable of decoding these, my system is from back in 2006. But that doesn't matter. With the amount of money they want for these discs, why they aren't sporting the latest in audio as well as video is just pathetic.

"Oh its a new format, its just the first batch". Bullshit. Didn't the first blu ray movies way back in 2006 even have HD audio tracks? Pretty damn inexcusable not to include the next gen audio 10 years later with this format.

I've been thinking about this since the movies were released, and people are right; they should be pissed because this is UHD, its supposed to sport the absolute best in video AND audio quality and this is just a low-blow from Fox...

[connect42]

I ordered mine a few weeks ago from Amazon. Does anybody have any idea when Amazon might start shipping? I guess there is no real hurry, just curious.

I have a late 2014 model LG 55UB8500 and a new Denon 510BT. 4K streaming through Netflix has been impressive. The TV is just before HDR standards, but I am looking forward to the awesome picture these three pieces will give.

[elwaylite]

I think they are stuck with the first actual shipment which is march. Seems best buy and Crutch got earlier stock.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by jabz

...following from Wikipedia..

In November 2007 the popular audio-visual discussion site AVS Forum temporarily closed its HD-DVD and Blu-ray discussion forums because of, as the site reported, "physical threats that have involved police and possible legal action" between advocates of the rival formats.[64]

Dem were dangerous days back then. Lots of




I’ll tell you, they had me shaking in me boots back then…..dangerous days I tell ya. These days *the bad actors* simply show the same behavior as some misguided souls in the animal kingdom -




with regards to accuracy, truth and what resides outside their personal belief systems.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Dramitic Dog Stare - YouTube

Yo Adrian. You like dog videos?
I certainly do. Thanks Mav.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

About the HDR, I am not so sure about those claims about going back to RAW files.

You should accept the claim. For one thing, a ‘PR guy’ (no offense James - https://twitter.com/FinnJ?ref_src=tw...Ctwgr%5Eauthor) isn’t knowledgeable enough to come up with revealing that workflow scenario on his own.

The real thing to question is whether the Ultra HD Blu-ray iteration of The Martian will end up being a ‘Case Study’ or…..starting the HDR process from the camera raw files will in fact serve to become the template for the protocol for handling all future Fox HDR movie offerings and, for that matter, all other Hollywood studios’ policies and procedures for producing their HDR physical media deliverables…..at least until un-colorcorrected 16bit DPX source files for the DI or 16bit ACES renders become the norm for feature film post production.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

....Anyway I consider HDR a gimmick as it needs a re-grading of the original movie that goes against High-Fidelity to the original work of the director and the DOP.....

Perhaps,(depending on one’s viewpoint) for older motion pictures….that point you can argue with Francis Ford Coppola about as HDR graded snippets of The Godfather (hello Bob ) and Apocalypse Now were showing in the Technicolor (http://www.technicolor.com/en/who-we...-and-hdr-video)
suite at CES2016.

But I wouldn’t at all describe HDR for new material as ‘a gimmick’. For example, Tomorrowland was HDR graded almost immediately following the standard theatrical grade. Just because you personally may not be in close proximity to a Dolby Vision theater…..that’s irrelevant as far as those lucky folks who do live within reasonable proximity of such venues are concerned.

For you see, unless he/she states otherwise and is honest about it (not trying to specifically promote for instance IMAX or 3D ticket sales) who’s to say that the Dolby Vision grade isn’t the preferred version in the mind of the creator (the Director)? Brad Bird certainly holds the position that he unequivocally prefers the HDR version of Tomorrowland over that of the standard (SDR) theatrical version.

[elwaylite]

If you are gonna call HDR a gimmick you might as well turn on dyn range control for all your audio then. It is opening up a broader range for us because SDR isn't even close to what the eye can see...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Whenever 8K comes to the mass market it will still use the same HDR, WCG and PQ. Hopefully the panels will be 12-bit, but nothing in the 8K signal will require a new change in the TV system standards, other than the resolution.

The new 2016 TV standards are set for the next 20 - 30 years.

-Robert

Good afternoon Robert.

Here’s a little more background info for our newer readers. The ITU is the mother of all standards organizations for television signal specifications, examples:
ITU-R Recommendation BT.709
ITU-R Recommendation BT.1886
ITU-R Recommendation BT.2020

Next up is standardizing HDR into the next gen TV equation. In 2015, there were 5 or 6 transfer function proposals on the ITU table, flash forward to now (Feb. 2016) and it has been narrowed down in the DNR ITU-R BT.[HDR-TV] to include two as predicted

With regards to 8K delivery into the home goes, until we get reasonably priced LARGE rollable OLED screens, I’m not much of a fan because it eats up valuable bandwidth which could otherwise be used for HFR (100 or 120 Hz) for sport, for which HFR shows significantly better picture quality than the bump up from 4K-> 8K spatial resolution. NHK in Japan will be doing 8K with HDR for their consumers’ 8K TVs, but likely not with HFR (> 60 Hz) for a long time.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

If you are gonna call HDR a gimmick you might as well turn on dyn range control for all your audio then. It is opening up a broader range for us because SDR isn't even close to what the eye can see...

It's the same handful of people. But fortunately it's stayed civil, the discussions here in the 4K thread.

Penton-Man gave his well-respected two cents just before you.

[Rocklandsboy]

What's interesting is that the application of post-theatrical tinkering - as standard - could render any serious PQ review as utterly pointless, except in terms of how detailed/colourful the image looks in of itself. There will be no such thing as a "source" by which to compare it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Just found this Twice article on Sony's 4K BD announcement.

Also, a good book…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p#post11248614

And the “League of Denial” 2 hour Frontline investigation on PBS…http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/league-of-denial

Robert, you’re old enough to remember the legendary center of the Pittsburgh Steelers (Mike Webster) if you followed the NFL. His was the autopsy that changed football…http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/ar...nged-football/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by JJ

...Penton-Man gave his well-respected two cents just before you.

More cents before I close out on the 4K Movies Releases thread with some pics and a link. Rather than a ‘gimmick’ with newer content, I think it’s more insightful to HDR skeptics to characterize the situation as despite what our eyes are capable of seeing and the long time capability of film and modern digital cameras in so much as the quality of imagery they have been able to capture for years,

consumers have had to settle with viewing truncated video presentations at home, i.e. 8bit Rec 709 color with a peak luminance of 100 nit +or- 5nits tolerance(https://www.document-center.com/stan...MPTE-ST-2080-1)

Now they don’t.

[infiniteCR]

Penton-man when you say we've been living with truncated peak brightness at home, truncated from what? What's the peak brightness of the cinema? Of the HDR Dolby cinema?

[Rocklandsboy]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Consumers have had to settle with viewing truncated video presentations at home, i.e. 8bit Rec 709 color with a peak luminance of 100 nit +or- 5nits tolerance(https://www.document-center.com/stan...MPTE-ST-2080-1)

The shame of it! :-)

[Derb]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

If you are gonna call HDR a gimmick you might as well turn on dyn range control for all your audio then. It is opening up a broader range for us because SDR isn't even close to what the eye can see...

So does 4K look like crap playing on SDR 4K TVs?

I gots standard local light dimming.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Rocklandsboy

What's interesting is that the application of post-theatrical tinkering - as standard - could render any serious PQ review as utterly pointless, except in terms of how detailed/colourful the image looks in of itself. There will be no such thing as a "source" by which to compare it.

Ok, let's say I accept this for old movies.

What about for new ones, from this point on? We're simply gonna deny filmmakers the wider color gamut and additional color detail available with HDR/Rec. XXXX/etc, etc in the future - just so we can stick to the past? Blu-ray, as amazing as it looks, will never capture all the colors the eye can see. Neither does 4K, but hell, it captures MORE. So why not use it?

And if we're gonna kill off HDR now, simply to placate those worried about the past, how will move forward with the future?

That doesn't make sense.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Derb

So does 4K look like crap playing on SDR 4K TVs?

I gots standard local light dimming.

You would still have the wider color space and 10bit color depth. HDR'ing everything is not needed to bring out more colors.