Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[skiizim]

Originally Posted by James Freeman

Yes, forcing to 2016p will upscale 1080p content in the Player before sending it to the TV.
Actually the best option is "BD Wise" which simply passes the picture to the TV without messing with the picture.

I wouldn't use BD Wise, it messes with the settings way too much, I see so much flickering when I tried it, the motion was even worst.

Originally Posted by ray0414

Yea, those extra settings work much better with the 4k discs than 1080p discs

I've had to switch between the Samsung and the PS3 to make sure the colors weren't messing up a few times.

[movielover1069]

I've had my machine now since the first shipment of preorders from Best Buy and I've never been able to get a decent picture on it, no matter which 4K Blu-ray I put in it. The picture is hazy, cloudy, and washed out and nothing I did would correct it, and I tried every setting combination possible. I was extremely disappointed. I would put the setting for the HDMI input on the TV to Custom but as soon as I put in a 4K Blu-ray, the setting would immediately switch to HDR Video and the pq was just awful. Then I discovered that when I played a regular Blu-ray in it the picture was beautiful. This was really frustrating to say the least. So yesterday I got a new HDMI 2.0a cable with support for 4:4:4 and 18 Mbmps, switched it with the current cable and immediately got a message on the TV screen saying something like "the machine is attached to a device that is not compatible with HDR" so I clicked on OK and instantly the setting on the TV went back to Custom(it would never allow me to do that before) and the pq from the Samsung was absolutely spectacular! I have the Sony XBR55X850C TV and supposedly it received a firmware update for HDR last September but I guess they lied because it definitely does not support HDR. Has anyone else discovered this?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

I've had my machine now since the first shipment of preorders from Best Buy and I've never been able to get a decent picture on it, no matter which 4K Blu-ray I put in it. The picture is hazy, cloudy, and washed out and nothing I did would correct it, and I tried every setting combination possible. I was extremely disappointed. I would put the setting for the HDMI input on the TV to Custom but as soon as I put in a 4K Blu-ray, the setting would immediately switch to HDR Video and the pq was just awful. Then I discovered that when I played a regular Blu-ray in it the picture was beautiful. This was really frustrating to say the least. So yesterday I got a new HDMI 2.0a cable with support for 4:4:4 and 18 Mbmps, switched it with the current cable and immediately got a message on the TV screen saying something like "the machine is attached to a device that is not compatible with HDR" so I clicked on OK and instantly the setting on the TV went back to Custom(it would never allow me to do that before) and the pq from the Samsung was absolutely spectacular! I have the Sony XBR55X850C TV and supposedly it received a firmware update for HDR last September but I guess they lied because it definitely does not support HDR. Has anyone else discovered this?

It 100% does support HDR hence it going into HDR mode when it detected a HDR signal.
Like all standard show off modes on a TV the setting is crap and needs tweaking

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It 100% does support HDR hence it going into HDR mode when it detected a HDR signal.
Like all standard show off modes on a TV the setting is crap and needs tweaking

Thanks dvdmike!
So why did I get that message and why is the picture so horrible on the HDR setting and so spectacular on Custom? How do you stop it from going into HDR mode?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Thanks dvdmike!
So why did I get that message and why is the picture so horrible on the HDR setting and so spectacular on Custom? How do you stop it from going into HDR mode?

You don't, why do you use custom mode?
For me it's because I customised it, go to the HDR mode and change some settings

[Derb]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Have any of you guys tried playing the Blu-ray version of one of these movies in this machine? Call me crazy but I actually think the upgraded Blu-ray picture looks much better than the 4K UltraHD version! I just tried both versions of San Andreas and the difference is absolutely amazing!! Contrast, color, clarity, and detail all look better on the Blu-ray compared to the 4K. I was having tremendous trouble trying to get the UHD picture to look good. I couldn't get rid of the hazy, cloudy look that it had and nothing I did to try to correct it, worked. The contrast just didn't look right and I was very frustrated, but when I popped in the Blu-ray version, I couldn't believe how much better the picture looked! Has anyone else discovered this? It's almost like the HDR on the UHD disc messes everything up.

San Andreas does look better on UHD.

It is however so subtle that if your eyes are used to BDs more so then UHD movies, it's probably an easy miss to spot the differences. That said, I'm not particularly a fan of this. I watched "Lucy" BD on the Samsung last night & that basically convinced me this 8500K will be better used for BDs than UHDs in long term.

It's too late for this format especially when Smurfs 2 is your go to for best PQ yet Netflix "outshines" it. Ouch. Well time to finish watching that movie. If you didn't have Netflix to see it in 4K before you'll probably be satisfied with the UHD.

Here is where San Andreas fits in so far in PQ compared to the others I've watched so far.

1) Exodus: Gods & Kings
2) The Peanuts Movie
3) The Martian
4) Ender's Game
5) Sicario
6) Fantasic 4
7) Hitman: Agent 47
8) The Kingsman
9) Maze Runner: The Scorch Trials
10) Chappie
11) Mad Max: Fury Road
12) The Amazing Spider-Man
13) The Last Witch Hunter
14) The Maze Runner
15) X-Men: Days of Futures Past
16) San Andreas
17) Salt
18) Hancock
19) Pineapple Express

[movielover1069]

Hey dvdmike, I really need your help with this!! I've tried and tried to tweak the picture when it's in HDR mode and absolutely nothing I do helps to improve the picture. If my TV is indeed 100% HDR compatible as you said, why is the picture so bad? I've tried tweaking it both on the Samsung 4K player and on the Sony TV and it still looks like shit, but like I said, when this new cable forced it to go back to the Custom setting on the TV, the picture "popped" and was beautiful. What do I need to do to get the HDR setting to look like it should? I'm not as tech savvy as most of you guys so any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thanks man!

[Malibu13]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Have any of you guys tried playing the Blu-ray version of one of these movies in this machine? Call me crazy but I actually think the upgraded Blu-ray picture looks much better than the 4K UltraHD version! I just tried both versions of San Andreas and the difference is absolutely amazing!! Contrast, color, clarity, and detail all look better on the Blu-ray compared to the 4K. I was having tremendous trouble trying to get the UHD picture to look good. I couldn't get rid of the hazy, cloudy look that it had and nothing I did to try to correct it, worked. The contrast just didn't look right and I was very frustrated, but when I popped in the Blu-ray version, I couldn't believe how much better the picture looked! Has anyone else discovered this? It's almost like the HDR on the UHD disc messes everything up.

Just curious if you were allowing the K8500 to do the upscaling here or did you select 1080p as the resolution and let the TV do the upscaling?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Hey dvdmike, I really need your help with this!! I've tried and tried to tweak the picture when it's in HDR mode and absolutely nothing I do helps to improve the picture. If my TV is indeed 100% HDR compatible as you said, why is the picture so bad? I've tried tweaking it both on the Samsung 4K player and on the Sony TV and it still looks like shit, but like I said, when this new cable forced it to go back to the Custom setting on the TV, the picture "popped" and was beautiful. What do I need to do to get the HDR setting to look like it should? I'm not as tech savvy as most of you guys so any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thanks man!

I only have HDR clips and amazon, we don't have a player in the UK yet.
And I am not a fan of HDR but did you use settings you picked yourself in the custom mode?

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

You don't, why do you use custom mode?
For me it's because I customised it, go to the HDR mode and change some settings

Same here. That was the mode I used before I got this machine and I had customized it to get the best picture for that input. I've already tried everything to tweak the settings on the HDR mode and nothing gets rid of that horrible picture. I'm extremely frustrated.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Same here. That was the mode I used before I got this machine and I had customized it to get the best picture for that input. I've already tried everything to tweak the settings on the HDR mode and nothing gets rid of that horrible picture. I'm extremely frustrated.

Of you have used multi point colour set ups on custom, say expert 1 like I have you can copy those settings over to HDR mode

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by Malibu13

Just curious if you were allowing the K8500 to do the upscaling here or did you select 1080p as the resolution and let the TV do the upscaling?

I've tried it both ways but nothing improves the picture except for when it goes back to Custom mode. The HDR mode just will not give me a good picture, no matter how much I try to tweak the settings.

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Of you have used multi point colour set ups on custom, say expert 1 like I have you can copy those settings over to HDR mode

I don't know the correct settings to put everything on in Expert 1. I would just be guessing.

[dvdmike]

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/son...ings?uxtv=aecb

I use these and then turn all the motion flow rubbish off

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/son...ings?uxtv=aecb

I use these and then turn all the motion flow rubbish off

Thanks! I'll give them a try!!

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Thanks! I'll give them a try!!

Use the colour point settings, not the backlight stuff
Not till there is an actual HDR calibration tool

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Same here. That was the mode I used before I got this machine and I had customized it to get the best picture for that input. I've already tried everything to tweak the settings on the HDR mode and nothing gets rid of that horrible picture. I'm extremely frustrated.

Is it automatically going into hdr mode or do you do it manually?

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Thanks! I'll give them a try!!

Did you change your hdmi input on your tv settings to "enhanced"?

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Is it automatically going into hdr mode or do you do it manually?

It does it automatically when a 4K movie starts to play.

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Did you change your hdmi input on your tv settings to "enhanced"?

Yes, I sure did!