Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500 - Page 108 - Blu-ray Forum

ray0414 · 03-12-2016, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Derb

None of these issues on my end.

Good to hear!

I think what was causing my blurry picture was my noise reducer was wreaking havoc with these discs. I'm gonna test this scene again when I get the chance.

joebp415 · 03-12-2016, 02:20 AM

I set the player to 2160 looks best picture to me

Derb · 03-12-2016, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by joebp415

I set the player to 2160 looks best picture to me

Not sure if it makes a difference on my set but I also have mine "forced" 2160.

bruceames · 03-12-2016, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414

No that's not how it works at all.

But hdr is graded alot darker, so having the backlight at 20 doesn't make it bright. As a matter of fact alot of people still find it too dark. If they do there's a few options. Bump up gamma, brightness, or dynamic contrast which is sorta like turning on a light switch in the tv.

Yeah HDR mode has less overall brightness than other modes. Dynamic mode on the player for HDR will compensate though and is about the same as standard mode for non-HDR content.

LuminousMotion · 03-12-2016, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Interesting aside about the HDR metadata on the UHD discs though, with some discs carrying across the 4000 nit brightness information (as MaxCLL data, I assume) from the underlying Dolby Vision grade. That was true for a Warners disc (Mad Max) and seeing as Sony have also licenced Dolby's HDR grading tools then that may also hold true for the Sony UHD releases too. Now all we need is a 4000 nit consumer display to test them on!

Hmmm, that might explain the "painted-on" look to some of the overlaid cgi explosions mapping down.instead of being blindingly bright and overexposed like one would expect. Now, i'm very curious to see if the Panny handles this differently.

joebp415 · 03-12-2016, 02:54 AM

I don't see a Dynamic mode in settings..never mind found it under tools..it does make the picture look better..now if only I can get through a movie without it going off I be happy

movielover1069 · 03-12-2016, 03:18 AM

Have any of you guys tried playing the Blu-ray version of one of these movies in this machine? Call me crazy but I actually think the upgraded Blu-ray picture looks much better than the 4K UltraHD version! I just tried both versions of San Andreas and the difference is absolutely amazing!! Contrast, color, clarity, and detail all look better on the Blu-ray compared to the 4K. I was having tremendous trouble trying to get the UHD picture to look good. I couldn't get rid of the hazy, cloudy look that it had and nothing I did to try to correct it, worked. The contrast just didn't look right and I was very frustrated, but when I popped in the Blu-ray version, I couldn't believe how much better the picture looked! Has anyone else discovered this? It's almost like the HDR on the UHD disc messes everything up.

bruceames · 03-12-2016, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by joebp415

I don't see a Dynamic mode in settings..never mind found it under tools..it does make the picture look better..now if only I can get through a movie without it going off I be happy

It's in Tools. From there select Picture and then Dynamic.

joebp415 · 03-12-2016, 03:58 AM

I found it bruceames..Thank You..I'm watching 'the Martian..looks great...Mars terrain looks stunning but to be honest I put a 1080 blu-Ray in player and it looked just as good..put in Casino Royale ...so I guess it does upscale 1080 up to 2160

bruceames · 03-12-2016, 04:09 AM

I only use dynamic for HDR though. Otherwise it looks too saturated. HDR tends to darken the picture more than other mode so I use dynamic to compensate for that so that it brings the overall brightness on par with the other modes (such as Cinema Pro on my TV for watching regular Blu-ray).

I don't use the Sammy player for regular Blu-ray because I prefer the Oppo and the TV upscales better anyway. But if I were to use the Sammy player for Blu-ray then I would set the output to 1080p so the TV does the upscaling. I've compared and I could tell the Sammy player does seem to apply a DNR filter and the details are not as fine. Probably does the same thing with UHD content but unless the UHD content is 2K I don't want to have it in 1080p. I'll have to check that out later (to see if I get the same results as in Ray's pics above).

Bluballs31 · 03-12-2016, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by joebp415

Hi everyone...just ordered mine 2 days ago from hhgregg..suppose to get it tomorrow...After reading all the problems makes me think I should have waited..well will see when I get it..im not tech savy like a lot of you guys on here...may need your help...have the Sony xbr55x850c

joe, I just got the same tv and am wondering do you recommend this player?? Or should I wait it out??

Currently just enjoying 4k content from netflix and amazon, I want more but curious if I should wait.

joebp415 · 03-12-2016, 04:34 AM

Hi blu...I was going to wait till Sony came out with thier 4K player but I think they aren't coming out with one until next year..I would say to you if your like me and you have to have 4K movies now I would say get it but if you can wait then wait because they are only going to get better and all the kinks will be worked out

James Freeman · 03-12-2016, 08:33 AM

Fellows, I personally don't own the K8500 but reading the manual from the official site:
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...00-ZA_1203.pdf

On page 52, the "Resolution according to content type" option is clearly explained.

Forcing to 2160p will force the TV to Will let the player upscale regular 1080p movie to 2160p.
Forcing to 1080p will downscale 2160p UHD movies to 1080p (might look sharper because of conversion and enhancements).
The only correct option to play UHD-BD is Auto which should set the TV to the correct settings depending on the content.

While we're at it, the only correct setting for the TV range with a Player is YCbCr or Auto, never RGB (16-235) or RGB Enhanced (0-255) unless you use the TV as a PC monitor.

SolidRaider · 03-12-2016, 12:51 PM

On my TV switched from HDR to standard. Now I'm enjoying the 4K Blurays, they look like regular Blurays but with more pixels.

bruceames · 03-12-2016, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by James Freeman

Fellows, I personally don't own the K8500 but reading the manual from the official site:
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...00-ZA_1203.pdf

On page 52, the "Resolution according to content type" option is clearly explained.

Forcing to 2160p will force the TV to Will let the player upscale regular 1080p movie to 2160p.
Forcing to 1080p will downscale 2160p UHD movies to 1080p (might look sharper because of conversion and enhancements).
The only correct option to play UHD-BD is Auto which should set the TV to the correct settings depending on the content.

While we're at it, the only correct setting for the TV range with a Player is YCbCr or Auto, never RGB (16-235) or RGB Enhanced (0-255) unless you use the TV as a PC monitor.

So setting the player resolution to auto will let the TV do the upscaling? I don't want the player to do it.

James Freeman · 03-12-2016, 01:26 PM

Yes, forcing to 2016p will upscale 1080p content in the Player before sending it to the TV.
Actually the best option is "BD Wise" which simply passes the picture to the TV without messing with the picture.

SolidRaider · 03-12-2016, 03:18 PM

I used the calibration settings from the Incredibles Bluray while on the HDR setting and it looks good now. The world can continue to spin now.

jono3000 · 03-12-2016, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidRaider

I used the calibration settings from the Incredibles Bluray while on the HDR setting and it looks good now. The world can continue to spin now.

You used an SDR Blu-ray to calibrate HDR?

joebp415 · 03-12-2016, 09:08 PM

BD wise only works on Samsung tv...I am finding I have to change the settings on a disc by disc basis..I had it on dynamic for 'the Martian and Spider-Man 2 in 4K and that looked great but then I put the blu-Ray casino royale on and picture was blown out..I had to put it to standard because it's a very bright movie

ray0414 · 03-12-2016, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by joebp415

BD wise only works on Samsung tv...I am finding I have to change the settings on a disc by disc basis..I had it on dynamic for 'the Martian and Spider-Man 2 in 4K and that looked great but then I put the blu-Ray casino royale on and picture was blown out..I had to put it to standard because it's a very bright movie

Yea, those extra settings work much better with the 4k discs than 1080p discs

03-12-2016, 02:54 AM	#2146
joebp415 Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:PHILADELPHIA,PA	I don't see a Dynamic mode in settings..never mind found it under tools..it does make the picture look better..now if only I can get through a movie without it going off I be happy Last edited by joebp415; 03-12-2016 at 03:12 AM.

03-12-2016, 08:33 AM	#2153
James Freeman Senior Member Member since:Oct 2013	Fellows, I personally don't own the K8500 but reading the manual from the official site: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...00-ZA_1203.pdf On page 52, the "Resolution according to content type" option is clearly explained. Forcing to 2160p will force the TV to Will let the player upscale regular 1080p movie to 2160p. Forcing to 1080p will downscale 2160p UHD movies to 1080p (might look sharper because of conversion and enhancements). The only correct option to play UHD-BD is Auto which should set the TV to the correct settings depending on the content. While we're at it, the only correct setting for the TV range with a Player is YCbCr or Auto, never RGB (16-235) or RGB Enhanced (0-255) unless you use the TV as a PC monitor. Last edited by James Freeman; 03-12-2016 at 08:46 AM.

03-12-2016, 09:08 PM	#2159
joebp415 Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:PHILADELPHIA,PA	BD wise only works on Samsung tv...I am finding I have to change the settings on a disc by disc basis..I had it on dynamic for 'the Martian and Spider-Man 2 in 4K and that looked great but then I put the blu-Ray casino royale on and picture was blown out..I had to put it to standard because it's a very bright movie Last edited by joebp415; 03-12-2016 at 09:14 PM.

03-12-2016, 02:20 AM	#2142
joebp415 Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:PHILADELPHIA,PA	I set the player to 2160 looks best picture to me

03-12-2016, 03:18 AM	#2147
movielover1069 Expert Member Member since:Jul 2010 4K collection:72 Blu-ray collection:364 DVD collection:13 MA collection:24 Digital collection:190 iTunes collection:104 Prime collection:39	Have any of you guys tried playing the Blu-ray version of one of these movies in this machine? Call me crazy but I actually think the upgraded Blu-ray picture looks much better than the 4K UltraHD version! I just tried both versions of San Andreas and the difference is absolutely amazing!! Contrast, color, clarity, and detail all look better on the Blu-ray compared to the 4K. I was having tremendous trouble trying to get the UHD picture to look good. I couldn't get rid of the hazy, cloudy look that it had and nothing I did to try to correct it, worked. The contrast just didn't look right and I was very frustrated, but when I popped in the Blu-ray version, I couldn't believe how much better the picture looked! Has anyone else discovered this? It's almost like the HDR on the UHD disc messes everything up.

03-12-2016, 03:58 AM	#2149
joebp415 Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:PHILADELPHIA,PA	I found it bruceames..Thank You..I'm watching 'the Martian..looks great...Mars terrain looks stunning but to be honest I put a 1080 blu-Ray in player and it looked just as good..put in Casino Royale ...so I guess it does upscale 1080 up to 2160

03-12-2016, 04:09 AM	#2150
bruceames Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Nov 2012 Location:Novato, CA 4K collection:15 Blu-ray collection:1337 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:1	I only use dynamic for HDR though. Otherwise it looks too saturated. HDR tends to darken the picture more than other mode so I use dynamic to compensate for that so that it brings the overall brightness on par with the other modes (such as Cinema Pro on my TV for watching regular Blu-ray). I don't use the Sammy player for regular Blu-ray because I prefer the Oppo and the TV upscales better anyway. But if I were to use the Sammy player for Blu-ray then I would set the output to 1080p so the TV does the upscaling. I've compared and I could tell the Sammy player does seem to apply a DNR filter and the details are not as fine. Probably does the same thing with UHD content but unless the UHD content is 2K I don't want to have it in 1080p. I'll have to check that out later (to see if I get the same results as in Ray's pics above).

03-12-2016, 04:34 AM	#2152
joebp415 Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:PHILADELPHIA,PA	Hi blu...I was going to wait till Sony came out with thier 4K player but I think they aren't coming out with one until next year..I would say to you if your like me and you have to have 4K movies now I would say get it but if you can wait then wait because they are only going to get better and all the kinks will be worked out

03-12-2016, 12:51 PM	#2154
SolidRaider Expert Member Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:174 Blu-ray collection:1464 DVD collection:705	On my TV switched from HDR to standard. Now I'm enjoying the 4K Blurays, they look like regular Blurays but with more pixels.

03-12-2016, 01:26 PM	#2156
James Freeman Senior Member Member since:Oct 2013	Yes, forcing to 2016p will upscale 1080p content in the Player before sending it to the TV. Actually the best option is "BD Wise" which simply passes the picture to the TV without messing with the picture.

03-12-2016, 03:18 PM	#2157
SolidRaider Expert Member Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:174 Blu-ray collection:1464 DVD collection:705	I used the calibration settings from the Incredibles Bluray while on the HDR setting and it looks good now. The world can continue to spin now.

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