Unforgiven 4K UHD (1992) - Page 21 - Blu-ray Forum

broganreynik · 05-15-2017, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by philochs

It's easy for you all to keep chiming in and slamming me, but so far no one has an actual counterargument to the argument in question, funnily enough. So let's just assume for one minute that I'm possibly right. I know what this is, it's just that you all are neurotypicals, and I'm on the autism spectrum and like wolves you can sniff that out, and then you instinctively move in for the kill.It's primal human biology. If we're not gonna be best friends, I don't take it personally.

Do not be deceived, for I am the last and final armchair expert... There can be only one.

I have no dog in this fight; I always choose to reserve judgment until I personally see the disc. However, the two bolded statements are a bit contradicting, no?

Alfred E. Neumann · 05-15-2017, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Khronikos

I really also enjoy Blade Runner TFC's timing as that film also had an 80s push to it that dated it so easily.

I like Blade Runner: TFC too, it looks timeless and if "teal / orange" (or simply a modern color timing with stronger, more orange colors) isn't exaggerated it looks better than the pale looking purple tint of old masters.
(Terminator 1, Alien / Aliens, The Abyss, Deep Blue Sea, Lethal Weapon films, Dirty Harry films, James Bond: Thunderball, Fight Club, Raiders of the lost Ark, Se7en, The Godfather films, ...)

MisterXDTV · 05-15-2017, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

According to one guy using a 100 nit projector. Let's wait and hear more.

Ok, but keep in mind that a professional like Harris will always use a projector instead of a TV screen.

Projectors will never have the "nits" required to view the disc the right way and that's why HDR10 is a problem on projectors.

jh901 · 05-15-2017, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Projectors will never have the "nits" required to view the disc the right way and that's why HDR10 is a problem on projectors.

I get your point on HDR, but the "big picture" so to speak, is that movies are not intended to be viewed on 65" 16:9 diagonal postage stamps. For Unforgiven (Scope), there is no HDR or other acronym which can make up for that tiny 2 feet of screen height.

Doctorossi · 05-15-2017, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jh901

I get your point on HDR, but the "big picture" so to speak, is that movies are not intended to be viewed on 65" 16:9 diagonal postage stamps.

65" postage stamp?! Are you shipping the pyramids of Giza?

mzupeman · 05-15-2017, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jh901

I get your point on HDR, but the "big picture" so to speak, is that movies are not intended to be viewed on 65" 16:9 diagonal postage stamps. For Unforgiven (Scope), there is no HDR or other acronym which can make up for that tiny 2 feet of screen height.

65" can be plenty. Keep in mind home theater screens are much closer to the viewer than a movie screen, and can take up a considerable amount of our field of view if we're sitting close enough. Heck, I'm plenty happy even at 55".

HeavyHitter · 05-15-2017, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Ok, but keep in mind that a professional like Harris will always use a projector instead of a TV screen.

Projectors will never have the "nits" required to view the disc the right way and that's why HDR10 is a problem on projectors.

Kris Deering can chime in as he has a calibrated OLED and calibrated JVC front projector with a custom gamma curve...he will tell you they are fairly close in all reality for HDR.

HeavyHitter · 05-15-2017, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mzupeman

65" can be plenty. Keep in mind home theater screens are much closer to the viewer than a movie screen, and can take up a considerable amount of our field of view if we're sitting close enough. Heck, I'm plenty happy even at 55".

I went from a 65" plasma to watching scope movies at 124" and I can tell you there is zero comparison. Front projection was the best upgrade I've done in my 18 years of home theater experience. Amazing experience that has to be seen. A lot of people who have never seen a proper front projection set up (like almost everyone in this thread) have some washed out, dull crappy looking image in mind from a poor set-up, school, bar, or business application. It has to be done right: black pit room and quality, calibrated high contrast projector (where only OLED does better). Then it's amazing and addicting.

gates70 · 05-15-2017, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I went from a 65" plasma to watching scope movies at 124" (for a 16:9 monitor) and I can tell you there is zero comparison. Front projection was the best upgrade I've done in my 18 years of home theater experience. Amazing experience.

But it has to be done right: black pit room and quality, calibrated high contrast projector.

Pretty much the same setup I have. I will never be going back.

HeavyHitter · 05-15-2017, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gates70

Pretty much the same setup I have. I will never be going back.

Exactly. No one gets it until they experience it properly done and nothing captures the "film like" look any better.

jh901 · 05-15-2017, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mzupeman

65" can be plenty. Keep in mind home theater screens are much closer to the viewer than a movie screen, and can take up a considerable amount of our field of view if we're sitting close enough. Heck, I'm plenty happy even at 55".

You can tell yourself that. I sure did.

It is so easy to have a mediocre (or worse) front projection experience, but many who are passionate about home theater who see the real deal are going to forget about panels. I sure did. It dawned on me. I fought it. I fought some more. I battled. I nearly cut my nose off. Then I broke down and put some time into it.

You should put up some little tape pieces at the corners of a 9'X4' behind your 55" (as I did). That's a truth that hurts!

gates70 · 05-15-2017, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Exactly. No one gets it until they experience it.

It's amazing. Even the girlfriend made a comment that she was impressed and it's really hard to impress her on Audio or Video gear. She never wants to go back to the theater lol.

jh901 · 05-15-2017, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Exactly. No one gets it until they experience it properly done.

Yup. I went the Royalty 3 route with ST100 and a ChadB calibrated RS600. I'll coerce ChadB to admit my image is a little better than yours when he comes back to do UHD. Hahahaha!

HeavyHitter · 05-15-2017, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gates70

It's amazing. Even the girlfriend made a comment that she was impressed and it's really hard to impress her on Audio or Video gear. She never wants to go back to the theater lol.

Same with mine.

I mean it really does feel like a movie theater in your home!

Even when I see 80" flat panels on display at Best Buy they look like postage stamps. lol

jh901 · 05-15-2017, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Same with mine.

I mean it really does feel like a movie theater in your home!

Even when I see 80" flat panels on display at Best Buy they look like postage stamps. lol

We have 90" 16:9 panels at work. My 16:9 at home is about 92" and I sit at approx 2-1/2 screen heights. Of course, my Scope is nearly 9'X4'. Enormous compared to what a 90" 16:9 will deliver.

PM me if you make it to the Pittsburgh area someday.

Dreamliner330 · 05-15-2017, 06:45 PM

What the heck is the official release date of this movie? Best Buy says the release date isn't until the 23rd and the news announcement back in March says the same thing!

HDMan72 · 05-15-2017, 06:47 PM

I wonder if this is gonna ship from Amazon on time. My order hasn't entered shipping soon as of yet which seems to late in the day for it to change. Could be a short supplied release.

Dreamliner330 · 05-15-2017, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by brainofj72

How do we know the BD isn't too bright? Why are we assuming the UHD is the one that's "incorrect?" Especially when we haven't seen either one yet?

What a load of crap!

UHD apologists are ridiculous.

StingingVelvet · 05-15-2017, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Ok, but keep in mind that a professional like Harris will always use a projector instead of a TV screen.

Projectors will never have the "nits" required to view the disc the right way and that's why HDR10 is a problem on projectors.

According to that thread he's switching to an LG OLED actually. I'm not knocking projectors (or OLEDs), I'm just saying for HDR specifically having high nits and good tone mapping seems to be important. I'm going to add a tiny bit more weight to people with displays that go over 1,000 nits when we're discussing whether an HDR disc is "too dark."

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Originally Posted by HDMan72

I wonder if this is gonna ship from Amazon on time. My order hasn't entered shipping soon as of yet which seems to late in the day for it to change. Could be a short supplied release.

Mine says "shipping soon," but it's definitely shipping later than everything else I'm getting tomorrow. I would guess demand has outweighed supply, which seems to happen pretty often with UHDs.

Doctorossi · 05-15-2017, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

What a load of crap!

UHD apologists are ridiculous.

Hmm... Yes- a logically and scientifically sound assessment, offered with evidence sufficient of a proof.

05-15-2017, 06:45 PM	#416
Dreamliner330 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jan 2012 Home Theater Gallery:1 4K collection:501 Blu-ray collection:1111 DVD collection:1 Trading Score:416	What the heck is the official release date of this movie? Best Buy says the release date isn't until the 23rd and the news announcement back in March says the same thing!

05-15-2017, 06:47 PM	#417
HDMan72 Power Member Member since:Mar 2012 Location:New York 4K collection:396 Blu-ray collection:806 DVD collection:10 MA collection:40 Digital collection:7 iTunes collection:18 Trading Score:43	I wonder if this is gonna ship from Amazon on time. My order hasn't entered shipping soon as of yet which seems to late in the day for it to change. Could be a short supplied release.

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