Sony "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Titles May 14 and July 16

[Onlysleeping23]

I don't believe my player has that option. I can adjust the brightness level in the player to "theater room", "brighter room", and "standard".

[dvdmike]

I have no idea then are sure it is not working?

[Onlysleeping23]

I'm not sure. Which component are you speaking of? I appreciate your help.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Onlysleeping23

I'm not sure. Which component are you speaking of? I appreciate your help.

I mean are you sure it is not playing back in expanded colour?

[zoran]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

x.v.Color needs to be selected under Color mode. What are the specific Sony and Pioneer models you have?

I have pioneer elite pro 151

[Onlysleeping23]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I mean are you sure it is not playing back in expanded colour?

I'm not at all. In fact, I'm on the phone with Sony customer support right now trying to figure it out.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by Onlysleeping23

The Sony is an S480. The Pioneer is a VSX-30. Deep Color is set to on. (Auto, comes in 12bits on the projector)

Super White is turned on with the PJ. But, I was using the XV setting on the 8350, which gives no calibration options other than sharpness and NR, so it's off in that setting.

And under the color mode options on my player, it doesn't list xv. Which makes me think it may not support it after all. Just RGB, 4:4:4, 4:2:2

Are you saying that you are not using the x.v.Color setting under 'Color mode'? This needs to be selected in order to engage it. If no calibration options can be used then that's just how it is. As long as your outputting YCbCr, the additional data will be sent to the PJ. Your receiver supports xvYCC so it should pass the info without modification, just make sure your not using any video processing in the AVR. There is no direct setting within your player, as it should automatically negotiate x.v.Color.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Onlysleeping23

I'm not at all. In fact, I'm on the phone with Sony customer support right now trying to figure it out.

Have you tried disabling/enabling the expanded color options and seeing if there's a difference? I'm assuming it's something that can be turned off and on, no?

[Onlysleeping23]

When viewing the new Taxi Driver disc, I did select xvcolor in the color mode options on the PJ. It doesn't look any different color wise compared to the old disc on that setting. Both looked desaturated in the xvcolor mode. I was trying to select scenes with multiple shades of deep red and or green and going back and forth between discs.

All processing is turned off on the AVR.

The Sony call was pointless, btw. The rep had no knowledge of the technology.

[Onlysleeping23]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Have you tried disabling/enabling the expanded color options and seeing if there's a difference? I'm assuming it's something that can be turned off and on, no?

The only color options on the player are for color space and deep color. I have both set to auto. I was figuring the Sony player would choose the best option to pass through the xvcolor flag.

[BrandonJF]

Originally Posted by Onlysleeping23

When viewing the new Taxi Driver disc, I did select xvcolor in the color mode options on the PJ. It doesn't look any different color wise compared to the old disc on that setting. Both looked desaturated in the xvcolor mode. I was trying to select scenes with multiple shades of deep red and or green and going back and forth between discs.

All processing is turned off on the AVR.

I haven't noticed any differences with x.v.color turned on/off and I'm using a PS3 and Sony VPL-VW95ES projector. Turning x.v.color on/off at the projector shows no difference. There was a thread at AVS where someone analyzed the Spider-Man disc and found very few scenes with color outside of the normal range. I was surprised when someone in this thread mentioned noticing a difference....

I'm using the receiver's direct mode, but I've tried bypassing the receiver just to be sure and there was still no visible difference.

[Onlysleeping23]

Originally Posted by BrandonJF

I haven't noticed any differences with x.v.color turned on/off and I'm using a PS3 and Sony VPL-VW95ES projector. Turning x.v.color on/off at the projector shows no difference. There was a thread at AVS where someone analyzed the Spider-Man disc and found very few scenes with color outside of the normal range. I was surprised when someone in this thread mentioned noticing a difference....

I'm using the receiver's direct mode, but I've tried bypassing the receiver just to be sure and there was still no visible difference.

I was wondering this also. And I'm really not sure how much extra color Taxi Driver could have compared to Spider-Man.

[Deciazulado]

(Someone asked this in the Ghostbuster 4K thread so I'm posting it also here in this more general 4K releases thread.)

Originally Posted by chip75

I read an article on-line that says that specialist equipment is needed to shoot xvYCC, so films pre-dating that would be up-converts. I'm not sure if it's the case or not but Ghostbusters, Glory and Taxi Driver would all pre-date the process.

Can anyone expand on this?

To give you an idea here's a good CIE 1931 chart representing the gamut of several color slide (transparency) films and color photo print papers, which should be close enough. The white shaded grid area are all possible visible colors.
Note: the white illuminating these is D50 instead of D65. D50 is a slightly yellower shift of about 3 of the small squares, so mainly the central points illuminated by D65 would be shifted ~0.03 towards the blue 0.0 corner. If you want to you could replot all of those to D65 using this page.



(The "Beta RGB" triangle shown is one the author of the page chose to encompass 100% of all of these color film colors)

The sRGB/HDTV color space gamut triangle is smaller and covers about 85-90% of those color film points above, missing the most saturated 10-15%. HDTV covers about a little more than half the colors of a 768 color Munsell chart (see link), and 35% of CIELab's (a modern non linear color space representing all colors).
Note that the color primaries of PAL and SMPTE "C" (<-the primaries used in actual practice in NTSC professional TV sets instead of the original harder to achieve 1953 NTSC ones), Trinitrons, etc, are very similar to sRGB/HDTV and can be considered practically equivalent in this gamut comparison

HDTV primaries:
R: x = 0.64, y = 0.33
G: x = 0.30, y = 0.60
B: x = 0.15, y = 0.06

Which are a close enough match to most reflective color media (printed media, like magazines, posters, regular paint, etc) which you can see represented by the "Japan Color2001 Coated" and "USWebCoatedSWOP" gamuts in the image below, as opposed to transmissive colors and media (slides, transparencies, film prints, light sources like Christmas/neon lights, and special/fluorescent paints, pigments and objects, etc, etc) which you can see represented in the diagram above ^^



As you can see in the image, extended computer gamut color spaces like AdobeRGB and WideGamutRGB, and the originally designed 1953 NTSC primaries also have this wide extended gamut. (as so do old films shot using Technicolor's Tri-color RGB separation filters/B&W film records method)
1953 NTSC primaries:
R: x = 0.67, y = 0.33
G: x = 0.21, y = 0.71
B: x = 0.14, y = 0.08

The new xvYCC system is also in this category, and if the hardware/software supports it and the primaries of the display have the extended gamut (if they don't you will not see the extra color even if the other hardware supports it) objects recorded with the saturated colors will display properly.

With xvYCC and a proper expanded gamut display (infinite contrast OLEDs?), we should finally achieve NTSC's original design goals and the rich Technicolor RGB gamut.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

If the sound is brighter and more open when doing the decoding on the Onkyo then the PS/3 then there is probably a misconfigured setting on the PS/3 or you are using a different sound field for multi-ch in vs Dolby TrueHD/ DTS Master. perhaps you have a soundfield like DTS neo engaged for multi-Ch.

Because there should be no discernable difference between the two. The same Digital Code is being sent the DAC either way for conversion to Analog signal which is amplified and sent to the Speakers.

If it sounds different you don't have to live with it, It is likely just a setting.

Hope that Helps
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There should be a difference between the two.

The PS3 has different DACs as compared to the Onkyo, so they should sound different. It is the reason why my Panasonic Blu-ray player sounds different than my Oppo BD player when playing back the same CD on the same amplifier with the same speakers.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by singhcr

There should be a difference between the two.

The PS3 has different DACs as compared to the Onkyo, so they should sound different. It is the reason why my Panasonic Blu-ray player sounds different than my Oppo BD player when playing back the same CD on the same amplifier with the same speakers.

DAC's are used to convert digital to analog, so unless they are outputting over the stereo analog outs on the PS3, there should be no difference. As either bitstreaming or decoding in the PS3 and sending PCM, the receiver is the only place where the DAC process takes place, in this scenario.

Decoding the soundtrack to PCM either in the player or receiver will be the exact same unless other settings are influencing the sound.

[HD Goofnut]

Caps for Angels & Demons and Battle: Los Angeles. A negligible difference at best.

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...less=1#auswahl

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...less=1#auswahl

[rickah88]

Just preordered Godzilla and Spiderman2.

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

A negligible difference at best.

Seems to be the theme of all these blus.

Everything should be Mastered in 4K by now. Then rip to 4K, Blu-ray, DVD, Laserdisc, VHS, etc.

The movie masters are 4K. So, not impressed.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

Seems to be the theme of all these blus.

Everything should be Mastered in 4K by now. Then rip to 4K, Blu-ray, DVD, Laserdisc, VHS, etc.

The movie masters are 4K. So, not impressed.

I agree, but Ghostbusters, Glory, and Spider-man are worth the upgrade IMHO.

[RyanPom]

A 4k release of Casino Royale would make my mouth water.