Poll: Should Sony use DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD?

[natedog543]

Originally Posted by Grifter02

Except that this isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact that both are 100% equal to the source. And you can't "hear a difference" because you aren't listening to the same thing. Of course each movie sounds different, they're different movies!!!

Do you think it's possible that Fox, Disney, etc. employ better sound technicians or put more effort into creating the audio for their films than WB or Paramount, and that's why every DTS movie you've watched sounded better than the Dolby movies? That's something you can have an opinion on, because it can't be measured or proven. But you cannot have an opinion on mathematics, it's the universal language and there is only one right answer.

well, of course, this can go in circles all day. I'll tell you I CAN actually hear a difference then you tell me somthing about the tech specs. But the fact is people can hear a difference. Even if we are the minorty (although the poll seems to differ), I'm glad Sony will listen to us
That's the thing though, it's usually the ppl who like DTS against the ppl with your argument.
It's never been addressed as to why we can actually hear a difference. Would you like to explain???

[SBrooks1]

It's very simple...

[Scorxpion]

Bravo for the decision to post this on home site and in top news,Expect more to come and vote for DTSHD master audio,Already the poll here shows what the majority of customers desire.

[trans22]

Originally Posted by natedog543

but that's the whole point of opinions isn't it ... there's no prerequisite

It's not just 2 movies by far. It's every film I have seen with Dolby, to every movie I have seen with DTS. Same thing happens every time. If that ever changed, I'd be the first to admit it, but up until now (with nearly 250 Blus under my belt) I can hear a difference every time.

couldn't agree more DTS always seems to sound better, for those who say truehd sounds the same as PCM then have a listen to 300 and SUPERMAN RETURNS, the PCM mixes are significantly better. also why does STEVEN SPIELBERG support DTS over TRUEHD?

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by Scorxpion

Bravo for the decision to post this on home site and in top news,Expect more to come and vote for DTSHD master audio,Already the poll here shows what the majority of customers desire.

From the item on the home page, posted by Juan Calonge (emphasis added):

"The eventual choice of DTS-MA over TrueHD won't affect owners of a player that supports both formats. The sound quality of a lossless track doesn't depend on the codec used, just like a compressed computer file will be identical once opened, whether it came in a .zip or .rar file. However, for owners of earlier players (some of which can decode Dolby TrueHD but not DTS-MA), the use of DTS-MA may limit their access to lossless audio.

The PS3 decodes both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, but can't bitstream any of them over HDMI to an AV receiver for it to decode the audio. Most of the latest-generation standalone players can both decode and bitstream TrueHD and DTS-MA.

The issue can be further compounded technically if we bring up codec efficiency (how big the respective audio files get), authoring, processing power needed for decoding, and other factors. "

[Grifter02]

Originally Posted by natedog543

It's never been addressed as to why we can actually hear a difference. Would you like to explain???

I'll spell it out for you... PLACEBO EFFECT

[Grifter02]

Originally Posted by trans22

couldn't agree more DTS always seems to sound better, for those who say truehd sounds the same as PCM then have a listen to 300 and SUPERMAN RETURNS, the PCM mixes are significantly better. also why does STEVEN SPIELBERG support DTS over TRUEHD?

HAHAHAHAHAHA, you're out of the loop, aren't you? Spielberg funded the development of DTS, he has a financial stake in it's success, of course he supports it!

I feel like a broken record here. Learn some facts about the topic before you try to defend your opinion on it!

[gz2fineHD]

I think they both sound really good but I lean more towards DTS HD. I feel it has a more full sound and really fills up the room. TrueHD sounds good to but doesnt have that punch or depth. I feel sometimes I have to turn my reciever up a little more to hear the speech with True HD, but with DTS sometimes have to turn it down cause its so loud. Again i like both but if I had a choice I would go with DTS HD

[natedog543]

Originally Posted by Grifter02

I'll spell it out for you... PLACEBO EFFECT

Lie. My receiver must be fooled too then bacause I have to do the same thing the guy below me does.
Period

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Grifter02

Wow, so many uniformed people on this forum. What do you tools not understand about the definition of the word "lossless"??? There is no loss, they DO NOT sound different!!! If you believe you notice a difference, it's because the movies that you're watching in DTS have better sound design than the movies you're comparing them to in TrueHD!!! NOT BECAUSE DTS IS BETTER!!!

Look, I don't care if both say they're "lossless." I don't care what sort of instrumentation has been used to "prove" they are both lossless. I KNOW what I hear and there is a clear and undisputed difference to my ears between DTS-HD MA and Dolby True HD. It's quite obvious, not only to my ears but to my wife's and countless others on this board. Put it this way. Both Vizio and Sony make "LCD" televisions. There's all sorts of testing that can be done to prove that they are both "LCD" however there's no disputing which is better is there?

Besides that, don't you think that it would be HIGHLY coincedental that all of my blu rays in DTS just happen to have better sound design than the blu rays I own in True HD? I'm not comparing King Kong to Grease for god's sake! Plus doesn't that sort of contradict your whole argument in the first place? If it's lossless, it's lossless. What difference does it make regarding the sound design?

And finally, why would Sony want to even conduct this poll in the first place if they didn't feel there was some validity to the idea of going 100% DTS?

[trans22]

Originally Posted by Grifter02

HAHAHAHAHAHA, you're out of the loop, aren't you? Spielberg funded the development of DTS, he has a financial stake in it's success, of course he supports it!

I feel like a broken record here. Learn some facts about the topic before you try to defend your opinion on it!

oh lol i never knew that but i still think DTS is better and judging by this poll so does nearly everyone else.

[Blu-Malibu2009]

I still only have regular Dolby and DTS, so DTS wins in a landslide for me since it's 1.5 Mbps DTS vs. 640 kbps Dolby.

[Derb]

Both have their pro's & con's.

In Sony's case I say stick with TrueHD.

[kaliraver]

DTS-MA all the way. I think that it has a better sound compared to Dolby True-HD and and no dialog-normalization ala Warner.

[cdot2four]

Originally Posted by Grifter02

HAHAHAHAHAHA, you're out of the loop, aren't you? Spielberg funded the development of DTS, he has a financial stake in it's success, of course he supports it!

I feel like a broken record here. Learn some facts about the topic before you try to defend your opinion on it!

Money in his pocket or not you would think Spielberg would want the best sound for his movies huh?

[darkedgex]

paidgeek once said DTS HD MA was more efficient (produced smaller files) than Dolby TrueHD. For this reason, and because it degrades better on older hardware (the 768kbps/1.5mbps "core" is playable on many older AV Receivers, while Dolby TrueHD is limited to 640kbps max), I voted for DTS HD Master Audio.

One request though, Sony: please consider mastering your titles as 20/24-bit and not just 16-bit.

[Grifter02]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Look, I don't care if both say they're "lossless." I KNOW what I hear and there is a clear and undisputed difference to my ears between DTS-HD MA and Dolby True HD. It's quite obvious, not only to my ears but to my wife's and countless others on this board. Put it this way. Both Vizio and Sony make "LCD" televisions. There's all sorts of testing that can be done to prove that they are both "LCD" however there's no disputing which is better is there?

Besides that, don't you think that it would be HIGHLY coincedental that all of my blu rays in DTS just happen to have better sound design than the blu rays I own in True HD? I'm not comparing King Kong to Grease for god's sake! Plus doesn't that sort of contradict your whole argument in the first place? If it's lossless, it's lossless. What difference does it make regarding the sound design?

And finally, why would Sony want to even conduct this poll in the first place if they didn't feel there was some validity to the idea of going 100% DTS?

Where do I begin???

Your LCD example doesn't make any sense. I can't believe you even came up with that. The quality of a piece of electronic equipment does not relate in any way to a mathematical equation. 2 + 2 ALWAYS = 4, it doesn't sometimes = 3.5. When you extract something from a lossless archive, it is ALWAYS the same as it was before. The thing you guys get hung up on is what came before the compression, AKA, the "source."

"Plus doesn't that sort of contradict your whole argument in the first place? If it's lossless, it's lossless."

Again, this doesn't make any sense! It's lossless to the source! Every source is different! You can't compare the DTS from I, Robot to the Dolby from Dark Knight because they have different sources!!!! Why is this so hard to comprehend?

"why would Sony want to even conduct this poll in the first place if they didn't feel there was some validity to the idea of going 100% DTS?"

Let me ask you this: If it was actually true that DTS was, in fact, better than Dolby, then why are Sony not already using it? What possible reason would they have to "settle" for the lesser codec when clearly they have the money and the power to use either?

They conduct polls like this to see what the drooling fanboys are craving, because you are their target audience, and they want to make you happy. They wouldn't need a poll if it was a fact that one was better than the other.

[Sir Terrence]

Originally Posted by MacDaddyOJack

I don't see a poll, but I say NO!

DTS will occasionally master some of their tracks a little hot, and almost all of them are 4dB louder than the original master. I feel like the bass gets a little boomy with some of the hot recordings as well.

These are really tiny complaints, almost insignificant really(lossless in either format is wonderful) but if I have the option to vote, I say stay with TrueHD.

Your information is not correct here. DTS does not master sound tracks hotter than the original master, and since you have no access to the master you cannot quantify this statement. Dolby TrueHD with the effect of dialog normalization lowers the volume based on the offset setting of the encoder. All of the tracks I have mixed and have been encoded to DTS - the volume of the encode matches my master exactly.

[Entertainment72]

Ditch all that is inferior to PCM (Dolby True HD, DTS-MA HD etc. etc.). PCM should be the standard and be given the world domination it deserves.

[Robert Siegel]

Originally Posted by Entertainment72

Ditch all that is inferior to PCM (Dolby True HD, DTS-MA HD etc. etc.). PCM should be the standard and be given the world domination it deserves.

The problem with PCM is the space it uses, HUGE amounts of space for 5.1 or 7.1 channels. I'd rather have the other 2 codecs which take less space and the movie maximized for the rest of the disc space. (including the extras of course).

But I must say.... I don't think anyone needs to be cutting down others just for commenting here (that wasn't directed at you Entertainment72).