Poll: Should Sony use DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD?

[pdawg2003_03]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

Well, despite that fact that they're equal in sound quality, I voted for dts-HD MA. I like the name. LOL. Looks cool on my receiver's display.

People like labels. Take jeans for example. People often buy jeans and other stuff for the label or brand, especially my kids. Whatever is popular among their peers, they gotta have it. The jeans could even come from the same mill and are identical right down to the last stitch, but if it doesn't have the label they want, they won't buy it.

I think perhaps Sony is fishing around to find out which codec is simply more popular or desirable for whatever reason that might be. What matters to Sony is, what the buyers are looking for.

That's a true statement i'm with you on that. I got into blu-ray when the
ps3's came out and ever since then i backed blu-ray. When I saw a movie in theaters before blu-ray came out and heard dts in the movie I was amazed at the sound quality & clarity and ever since then I became a huge fan of dts. What I like to say is go back to when you where a kid, before blu-ray came out and when you went to the theater's and experience a movie in dolby, it had sounded muffled and when dts came out you heard a big difference in sound, and it helped brought the movies out in a big way now that blu-ray is out and dts is now in high def it brings out the best in movies while in high def. So just remember and go back to how things where in the past till now. Don't get me wrong dolby has great sound. It needs to be gone and let the future of surround sound come into affect, and that is what dts(digital theater systems) is trying to do. In an old saying "OUT WITH THE OLD, IN WITH THE NEW." Now is the time for Dolby to step down or join forces with dts and come out with a new codec for surround sound.

[davcole]

Originally Posted by pdawg2003_03

Dolby TrueHD - Highest I've seen is 6.9 Mbs (Better Sound/STILL Bad Choice)
DTS-HDMA - Highest I've seen is 7.8 Mbs (Best Sound/GREAT CHOICE)

I'm betting rates that high are on 7.1 titles.

[pdawg2003_03]

Originally Posted by davcole

I'm betting rates that high are on 7.1 titles.

Yup and I thought i saw a movie in dts-hdma in 5.1 go up to 7.0 Mbps

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by pdawg2003_03

Yup and I thought i saw a movie in dts-hdma in 5.1 go up to 7.0 Mbps

Basically admitting around the same as TrueHD can achieve...lol.

[pdawg2003_03]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Basically admitting around the same as TrueHD can achieve...lol.

well so far I haven't seen a movie in dolby truehd that can get that high i thought dark knight and transformers where that high, I saw it went as high as 6.5Mbps and nothing more.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by pdawg2003_03

That's a true statement i'm with you on that. I got into blu-ray when the
ps3's came out and ever since then i backed blu-ray. When I saw a movie in theaters before blu-ray came out and heard dts in the movie I was amazed at the sound quality & clarity and ever since then I became a huge fan of dts. What I like to say is go back to when you where a kid, before blu-ray came out and when you went to the theater's and experience a movie in dolby, it had sounded muffled and when dts came out you heard a big difference in sound, and it helped brought the movies out in a big way now that blu-ray is out and dts is now in high def it brings out the best in movies while in high def. So just remember and go back to how things where in the past till now. Don't get me wrong dolby has great sound. It needs to be gone and let the future of surround sound come into affect, and that is what dts(digital theater systems) is trying to do. In an old saying "OUT WITH THE OLD, IN WITH THE NEW." Now is the time for Dolby to step down or join forces with dts and come out with a new codec for surround sound.

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by pdawg2003_03

When I saw a movie in theaters before blu-ray came out and heard dts in the movie I was amazed at the sound quality & clarity and ever since then I became a huge fan of dts. What I like to say is go back to when you where a kid, before blu-ray came out and when you went to the theater's and experience a movie in dolby, it had sounded muffled and when dts came out you heard a big difference in sound, and it helped brought the movies out in a big way

Perhaps you are unaware, but there's a big difference between Dolby and DTS in theaters and Dolby and DTS on discs.

DD 5.1 sound tracks are put on the film strip between the sprocket holes. That requires lots of compression and the output is 320 kbps. DTS tracks are run from companion CDs and usually run at more than three times that rate. So, differences in encoding techniques aside, the media used in theaters means DTS should sound better.

Now, does any of that DTS advantage carry over to lossless encoding on BD? Nope. There's plenty of space on Blu-ray discs and both formats are encoded losslessly.

So, enjoy DTS in theaters, where there's actually a difference. And enjoy them both at home, where there's no difference at all.

btw, I'm not sure why all the discussion of bitrates. dts-MA and TrueHD use variable bitrates, taking whatever bandwidth they need at any given moment.

[RiseDarthVader]

Originally Posted by cregster

Interesting that LPCM gave the highest score.

As I said, I like it best, but I fear it is going the way of the dodo bird--except on music discs.

While you do love PCM and all you have to understand that PCM just takes up too much space. This would lead to lower quality video which is not a good thing considering alot of Blu-ray adopters only have a HDTV and use their TV speakers with no surround sound system. You have to remember most of the people adopting Blu-ray want it for the PQ while us "hardcore" videophiles and audiophiles also want excellent sound.

[Octavio]

Originally Posted by BIslander

He did, in a post. But, if you look at the poll results detail, he voted for "drop TrueHD for dts-MA".

Interesting. Didn't Sir Terence say that he hasn't preference for any lossless codec in particular?

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by Octavio

Interesting. Didn't Sir Terence say that he hasn't preference for any lossless codec in particular?

I believe that was in reference to the quality of the audio itself.

[trans22]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

While you do love PCM and all you have to understand that PCM just takes up too much space. This would lead to lower quality video which is not a good thing considering alot of Blu-ray adopters only have a HDTV and use their TV speakers with no surround sound system. You have to remember most of the people adopting Blu-ray want it for the PQ while us "hardcore" videophiles and audiophiles also want excellent sound.

i have to disagree with you abou PCM using too much space, HELLBOY has PCM and that has a good picture + nearly 3 hours of bonus features on the same disc.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

So you never have to adjust your volume for DTS tracks? One size fits all?
DRC to "off" is a one button push.



TrueHD is a vehicle automatic with antilock brakes, airbags, and other safety features.

I have a reference volume level that I don't have to adjust for DTS tracks.

Turning off DRC is not a "button push" on any device I own. Further, I'm astounded that anyone would suggest that DRC being engaged should be a default of any kind. Ever. You should have to turn it ON, as well as the nonsensical dialnorm thing.

TrueHD is a like a vehicle where you turn the key, and the brakes lock up and the airbag goes off in your face.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by CraigW

Lossless is lossless. I still think that fact is lost some of the diehard fanboys.

At one point, I left this thread when the rants started.

Question: If you had two identical source tracks, but one had sound compression and volume reduction attached to it, would you still call it lossless?

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

I truly can't believe people's arguments have stooped to the level of "I don't care if all the science in the world proves me 100% wrong, Sony should switch codecs just to appease my ignorant misconceptions." I'd be embarrassed to voice such an opinion, but apparently many here are not.

Are DRC and dialnorm "ignorant misconceptions"?

[RiseDarthVader]

Now people are using DRC as an argument against Dolby. DRC is "optional" all you have to do is turn it off on your player and receiver and your good to go. As for dialnorm to fix that up usually you just turn the volume up by 4db because thats why people feel Dolby is queiter. The tracks encoded in Dolby are reduced in volume at 4db.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

Now people are using DRC as an argument against Dolby. DRC is "optional" all you have to do is turn it off on your player and receiver and your good to go. As for dialnorm to fix that up usually you just turn the volume up by 4db because thats why people feel Dolby is queiter. The tracks encoded in Dolby are reduced in volume at 4db.

Well you know, that ONE TIME on like Iron Man or Transformers or something there was a file that accidently enabled DRC so now DRC is a terrible, terrible thing because people weren't smart enough to look to see if it was enabled or not.

[BIslander]

RiseDarthVader - If you go back to the dialog starting with post 139, you can see Blu-Dog's views about DRC and dialnorm.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Are DRC and dialnorm "ignorant misconceptions"?

If you're saying DialNorm degrades the sound quality, then I'd say you misconceived what it is. Same with DRC.

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Well you know, that ONE TIME on like Iron Man or Transformers or something there was a file that accidently enabled DRC so now DRC is a terrible, terrible thing because people weren't smart enough to look to see if it was enabled or not.

DRC has an "auto" option that's availble on some players/receivers. When set to auto, the decoding device turns DRC on or off based on instructions from the disc. Iron Man was set to turn DRC on. So, with a player like the Sony S550, where the DRC default is Auto, Iron Man engaged DRC. People who never want to use DRC need to make sure their players/receivers are set to DRC off. But, that's not always clear. Using the S550 again as an example, you turn off DRC by setting it to Wide Range.

[Krelldog1977]

...we can discuss which format is better until we are blu in the face, but the MOST important part of your system is your speakers...immediately following this is your amplification. True and Master will sound identical on about 98%of your systems on this forum, only because I doubt your systems are up to par with the reference studios that mixed the tracks. How may of you guys have seperate amplifiers and full range speakers?...or how about a subwoofer that can play below 20hz? All of this equipment is necessary in order to hear the full capabilities of a Lossless track.
The bottom line is that if you haven't invested in a " high end " surround system, you will not be able to hear a diiffernce between any of the new formats.
I'd define " high end " as a system worth $10,000 or more for just the audio components. If you are working with a " budget system " then don't expect to hear anything better than what you are accustomed to with a superbit DVD.

Anyone else on the same page as me??

Bri