Poll: Should Sony use DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD?

[RocShemp]

Yeah, Warner Bros. is the odd duck studio when it comes to Blu-Ray.

[blu-bren]

warners should. thier audio sucks.. PCM blows

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by blu-bren

warners should. thier audio sucks.. PCM blows

How so?

[blu-bren]

good thing the us disc is unlocked then ..
but the movie is mediocre n' not worth going to lengths to buy IMO

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

I contacted Sony in Australia and we only get the theatrical cut.

[blu-bren]

those with dolby and dts recievers can't get surround sound from pcm tracks. these discs exclude many ppl from the surround sound of the movie they'd otherwise enjoyed with dolby or dts.

dolby and dts should be the only options IMO

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

How so?

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by blu-bren

those with dolby and dts recievers can't get surround sound from pcm tracks. these discs exclude many ppl from the surround sound of the movie they'd otherwise enjoyed with dolby or dts.

dolby and dts should be the only options IMO

Most films (I don't own any where this is not the case) that have a PCM track also contain either a Dolby or DTS track to go with it... A studio using Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA doesn't change anything as far as that goes. Just because a film has Dolby TrueHD doesn't mean the Dolby Digital track would be any different than if the film was also in PCM. Same with DTS-HD MA, the DTS track would be the same no matter what.

[blurayjunkie]

Dts hd master audio ftw!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by blurayjunkie

Dts hd master audio ftw!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure. It seems like the audio issues in the BSE of Transformers ROTF can be forgiven, when it could very well be just a dialnorm issue.
If this were in Dolby TrueHD, the punishment would've been magnified.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Sure. It seems like the audio issues in the BSE of Transformers ROTF can be forgiven, when it could very well be just a dialnorm issue.
If this were in Dolby TrueHD, the punishment would've been magnified.

Kind of like the bitstream bombs and incorrect channel layouts causing people to lose the back channels... But Iron Man had DRC enganged so yeah...

PS: I don't think there's a single thing wrong with the DTS encode on Transformers, just a bunch of people freaking out over nothing.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Kind of like the bitstream bombs and incorrect channel layouts causing people to lose the back channels... But Iron Man had DRC enganged so yeah...

PS: I don't think there's a single thing wrong with the DTS encode on Transformers, just a bunch of people freaking out over nothing.

But it shows the hipocrisy of some who damned Dolby for what they percieve as DialNorm "problems" yet ignore the fact that it's a studio mandate and that they will use it for DTS as well when they want.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

But it shows the hipocrasy of some who damned Dolby for what they percieve as DialNorm "problems" yet ignore the fact that it's a studio mandate and that they will use it for DTS as well when they want.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

But it shows the hipocrisy of some who damned Dolby for what they percieve as DialNorm "problems" yet ignore the fact that it's a studio mandate and that they will use it for DTS as well when they want.

No, I know. I even said it in another thread. WB dialnormed Watchemen but everyone said that was excelent and a lot of people claimed it was because of DTS (not the fact they used a 24-bit master or it could've been a well done mix or anything like that).

Like I said, if you release a poor audio track that's encoded with Dolby TrueHD, it's automatically Dolby's fault. If you release a poor track that's encoded with DTS-HD MA, it's the fault of the mix. Same goes for video codecs. If a film looks poor and it's a VC-1 encode, that means it's the fault of VC-1. If a film encoded with AVC looks poor, it's the transfer.

[saprano]

I dont want to start up an and argument with clayton or peter again, but come on guys.

Peter, how many dolby tracks are dialnormed vs dts? there's tons of DN movies with DTHD. dts hardly has any. lets not forget dolby is the one who created the damn thing. IMO, and many othere's, it serves no purpose, let me decide and control the volume on my own. the thing is stupid.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by saprano

I dont want to start up an and argument with clayton or peter again, but come on guys.

Peter, how many dolby tracks are dialnormed vs dts? there's tons of DN movies with DTHD. dts hardly has any. lets not forget dolby is the one who created the damn thing. IMO, and many othere's, it serves no purpose, let me decide and control the volume on my own. the thing is stupid.

That's because the studios that use Dialnorm are now using DTS on select titles. And you can decide and control the volume on your own. If a title is dialnormed, you have the choice to turn it up 4db.

Lets look at it this way, if dialnormed was the standard and almost every title had it, would you be upset if titles came out without it?

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by saprano

IMO, and many othere's, it serves no purpose...

As you know, dialnorm serves a couple of purposes. You may not personally perceive their value, but that hardly means dialnorm "serves no purpose".

[cembros]

Originally Posted by saprano

I dont want to start up an and argument with clayton or peter again, but come on guys.

Peter, how many dolby tracks are dialnormed vs dts? there's tons of DN movies with DTHD. dts hardly has any. lets not forget dolby is the one who created the damn thing. IMO, and many othere's, it serves no purpose, let me decide and control the volume on my own. the thing is stupid.

it seems to have nothing to do with the codec wheather or not dialnorm is applied, but instead the studio. Look at titles such as the watchmen by warner and transformers imax by paramount. Both studios applied dialnorm to thei true hd tracks and have continued the trend. Now look at sony, they did not apply dialnorm to their true hd and have done the same with the dts tracks

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by saprano

I dont want to start up an and argument with clayton or peter again, but come on guys.

Peter, how many dolby tracks are dialnormed vs dts? there's tons of DN movies with DTHD. dts hardly has any. lets not forget dolby is the one who created the damn thing. IMO, and many othere's, it serves no purpose, let me decide and control the volume on my own. the thing is stupid.

I ask a question:

How many tracks are dialnormed by Dolby themselves?

Answer: ZERO

The industry wanted it, they got it, they are using it, and because of this DTS added it.

Lets look at a few other things Dolby has created...

Who created the market for home surround? Dolby.

Who was the first to deliver home theater 5.1? Dolby.

Who brought compressed lossless audio home first? Dolby.

Who created 5.1 output for media devices like camcorders, XBOX and PCs first? Dolby.

Who created a system where digital TV and cable could deliver great sounding 5.1 soundtracks? Dolby.

Who (with LucasFilm Skywalker sound & THX) created soundtracks with a center surround channel? Dolby.

Who brought 35MM surround tracks mainstream? Dolby.

Who brought 70MM soundtracks 5.1 surround? Dolby.

Who brought noise reduction to improve fidelity of home cassettes? Dolby.

Any more questions?

Again, this "one volume setting fits all" attitude is ridiculous. Shakira: Oral Fixation Tour (5.1 PCM) is soooo much louder than many of my other PCM sources, yet you're basically saying I should listen to them all at the same volume.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Sure. It seems like the audio issues in the BSE of Transformers ROTF can be forgiven, when it could very well be just a dialnorm issue.
If this were in Dolby TrueHD, the punishment would've been magnified.

Maybe, maybe not. Dialnorm is my main bone of contention with Dolby (followed by mis-applied DRC) and if DTS goes down that road, they (the studios) get the same derision Dolby gets.

That stuff doesn't need to be in a mix, and the sooner they figure that out, the better.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

PS: I don't think there's a single thing wrong with the DTS encode on Transformers, just a bunch of people freaking out over nothing.

Agreed.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

But it shows the hipocrisy of some who damned Dolby for what they percieve as DialNorm "problems" yet ignore the fact that it's a studio mandate and that they will use it for DTS as well when they want.

Who, pray tell, found any problem with Dialnorm other that amputating 4db off the signal? I can't recall anyone doing that.

I also recall those who approved of DTS decrying any implementation of Dialnorm in that format. I think everyone would call that a very bad idea.

Accusations of hypocrisy notwithstanding, Dolby was never "damned"; it was not the preferred choice as a default, by roughly a 9:1 ratio.